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1. (1.) Carl Froch
2. (2.) Martin Murray
3. (3.) Ricky Burns
4. (4.) George Groves
5. (5.) Amir Khan
6. (6.) Tyson Fury
7. (7.) Darren Barker
8. (8.) Ola Afolabi
9. (9.) Kell Brook
10. (10.) Carl Frampton

11. (15.) Dereck Chisora
12. (11.) Jamie McDonnell
13. (12.) Scott Quigg
14. (18.) Lee Selby
15. (13.) Matthew Macklin
16. (14.) James DeGale
17. (16.) Tony Bellew
18. (17.) Nathan Cleverly
19. (19.) Lee Haskins
20. (20.) Stuart Hall

21. (21.) Frankie Gavin
22. (22.) Brian Rose
23. (23.) Billy Joe Saunders
24. (24.) Anthony Crolla
25. (25.) Enzo Maccarinelli
26. (26.) Stephen Smith
27. (29.) Gavin Rees
28. (NE.) Curtis Woodhouse
29. (28.) Andy Lee (Irish)
30. (30.) Kid Galahad

Out - (27.) Darren Hamilton

Any comments/criticisms of the British Top 30 P4P list are very welcome.

Yeah, Woodhouse made it. Lets party. However, not sure I entirely agree. Think there are some that are being continually overlooked - e.g. the largely forgotton man at the moment Stephen Ormond. Think Tommy Coyle on more recent form also warrants a higher ranking P4P.

Also you don't reward Buckland for winning a controvesial decision, but reward Woodhouse for doing the same.

Fury way too high.

Horse wrote:1. (1.) Carl Froch
2. (2.) Martin Murray
3. (3.) Ricky Burns
4. (4.) George Groves
5. (5.) Amir Khan
6. (6.) Tyson Fury
7. (7.) Darren Barker
8. (8.) Ola Afolabi
9. (9.) Kell Brook
10. (10.) Carl Frampton

11. (15.) Dereck Chisora
12. (11.) Jamie McDonnell
13. (12.) Scott Quigg
14. (18.) Lee Selby
15. (13.) Matthew Macklin
16. (14.) James DeGale
17. (16.) Tony Bellew
18. (17.) Nathan Cleverly
19. (19.) Lee Haskins
20. (20.) Stuart Hall

21. (21.) Frankie Gavin
22. (22.) Brian Rose
23. (23.) Billy Joe Saunders
24. (24.) Anthony Crolla
25. (25.) Enzo Maccarinelli
26. (26.) Stephen Smith
27. (29.) Gavin Rees
28. (NE.) Curtis Woodhouse
29. (28.) Andy Lee (Irish)
30. (30.) Kid Galahad

Out - (27.) Darren Hamilton

Why's Barker in there? He's retired.

stujones wrote:Yeah, Woodhouse made it. Lets party. However, not sure I entirely agree. Think there are some that are being continually overlooked - e.g. the largely forgotton man at the moment Stephen Ormond. Think Tommy Coyle on more recent form also warrants a higher ranking P4P.

Ormond did very well against Mathews, he's got a good argument for inclusion. Mathews is fairly inconsistent though, so I wasn't sure how much weight to give that win. Ormond hasn't fought since then though, so I don't think I'm continually overlooking him.

Coyle's war with Brizuela was very entertaining, but I didn't think it was a good enough win for him to enter the top 30. I didn't think beating Simpson at lightweight with a British stoppage was enough either.

stujones wrote:Also you don't reward Buckland for winning a controvesial decision, but reward Woodhouse for doing the same.

Plenty of people thought Woodhouse won, hardly anyone thought Buckland won.

Horse wrote:

stujones wrote:Yeah, Woodhouse made it. Lets party. However, not sure I entirely agree. Think there are some that are being continually overlooked - e.g. the largely forgotton man at the moment Stephen Ormond. Think Tommy Coyle on more recent form also warrants a higher ranking P4P.

Ormond did very well against Mathews, he's got a good argument for inclusion. Mathews is fairly inconsistent though, so I wasn't sure how much weight to give that win. Ormond hasn't fought since then though, so I don't think I'm continually overlooking him.

Coyle's war with Brizuela was very entertaining, but I didn't think it was a good enough win for him to enter the top 30. I didn't think beating Simpson at lightweight with a British stoppage was enough either.

stujones wrote:Also you don't reward Buckland for winning a controvesial decision, but reward Woodhouse for doing the same.

Plenty of people thought Woodhouse won, hardly anyone thought Buckland won.

Ormond's Irish, to me that rules him out of a British P4P list, don't see how a man born and based in Dublin could be on the list.

Ormond's Irish, to me that rules him out of a British P4P list, don't see how a man born and based in Dublin could be on the list.[/quote]

Ola Afolabi is a fine boxer and a threat to anyone with his power and I don't think he fits the bill, born in London, lives and fights abroad - since 2002 at least.

Jon-lewis Dickinson should be in there

mickey1975 wrote:Fury way too high.

He's the No. 3 ranked heavyweight in the world. He is not way too high.

columbo wrote:Why's Barker in there? He's retired.

I want him there.

craig_dixon wrote:Jon-lewis Dickinson should be in there

His opposition hasn't been good enough.

Horse wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:Fury way too high.

He's the No. 3 ranked heavyweight in the world. He is not way too high.

In my opinion, he is.

mickey1975 wrote:In my opinion, he is.

Who should go above him?

1 Froch (IBF/ WBA)
2 Frampton
3 Groves
4 Murray
5 Quigg (WBA)
6 Burns
7 Fury
8 Mcdonnell
9 Brook
10 Hall (IBF)

lol how many losses does it take for afolabi to move down the effing list, hes has numerous chances at world level and couldnt take them, just not good enough its as simple as that. And he isnt even british.

mainman wrote:1 Froch (IBF/ WBA)
2 Frampton
3 Groves
4 Murray
5 Quigg (WBA)
6 Burns
7 Fury
8 Mcdonnell
9 Brook
10 Hall (IBF)

Quigg and Hall are too high, in my opinion. The rest is solid.

mainman wrote:lol how many losses does it take for afolabi to move down the effing list, hes has numerous chances at world level and couldnt take them, just not good enough its as simple as that. And he isnt even british.

Most of those below him haven't beaten someone as good as Huck and I doubt they would given the chance either. He was competitive with him and that was enough to retain a high ranking for me.

.[/quote]Most of those below him haven't beaten someone as good as Huck and I doubt they would given the chance either. He was competitive with him and that was enough to retain a high ranking for me.[/quote]

he never beat Huck though, he had 3 chances lost 2 drew 1.
he has a poor record of 20-3-4

I personally think Afolabi has had too many chances,and been ranked too high for a good few years. It's funny how boxing works, where some guys like Afolabi get endless chances to win a world title but keep failing, then someone for example like Jamie Moore never got the opportunity to fight for a world title.

mainman wrote:he never beat Huck though, he had 3 chances lost 2 drew 1.
he has a poor record of 20-3-4

Afolabi has a good record.

mainman wrote:I personally think Afolabi has had too many chances,and been ranked too high for a good few years. It's funny how boxing works, where some guys like Afolabi get endless chances to win a world title but keep failing, then someone for example like Jamie Moore never got the opportunity to fight for a world title.

Moore deserved at least one world title shot.

Afolabi is worthy of the world title shots he has received and he'll probably be getting another one this year.

Horse wrote:

mainman wrote:he never beat Huck though, he had 3 chances lost 2 drew 1.
he has a poor record of 20-3-4

Afolabi has a good record.

mainman wrote:I personally think Afolabi has had too many chances,and been ranked too high for a good few years. It's funny how boxing works, where some guys like Afolabi get endless chances to win a world title but keep failing, then someone for example like Jamie Moore never got the opportunity to fight for a world title.

Moore deserved at least one world title shot.

Afolabi is worthy of the world title shots he has received and he'll probably be getting another one this year.[/quote]

Which will probably be his only fight of the year; he boxes and lives abroad exclusively and is a very good boxer but he is an international boxer - not British.

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Afolabi is worthy of the world title shots he has received and he'll probably be getting another one this year.[/quote]

thats everything that is wrong with boxing right there ^, afolabli obviously has a good promoter/manager to keep getting him these undeserved shots

and he has a shit record

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but he is an international boxer - not British.[/quote]
exactly , he's not even british

palooka wrote:Which will probably be his only fight of the year; he boxes and lives abroad exclusively and is a very good boxer but he is an international boxer - not British.

I asked the people and they said Afolabi should be considered British.

http://www.boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=104675

mainman wrote:thats everything that is wrong with boxing right there ^, afolabli obviously has a good promoter/manager to keep getting him these undeserved shots

He deserves his shots more than most.

mainman wrote:and he has a poo record

He really doesn't.