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The Hitman or The Hawk: Who Was the Better KO Artist

Posted: 03 Mar 2014, 12:43
by elmersalsa
Two of the most devastating punchers of all time pound per pound of recent memory. Who was the better puncher? The great Thomas "The Hitman" Hearns or Julian "The Hawk" Jackson?

Re: The Hitman or The Hawk: Who Was the Better KO Artist

Posted: 03 Mar 2014, 13:15
by Seamus
Whoever BoxBuzz picks.

Re: The Hitman or The Hawk: Who Was the Better KO Artist

Posted: 03 Mar 2014, 14:07
by BoxBuzz
Seamus wrote:Whoever BoxBuzz picks.
Well it's not THAT Hawk.....lol.....However this does put the pressure on to be accurate....as I don't want to let Seamus down.

I'll need to confer with Il Duce...and get back to you.

Re: The Hitman or The Hawk: Who Was the Better KO Artist

Posted: 03 Mar 2014, 14:18
by drunkenpiper36
I picked Jackson for having more raw power, but Hearns was the more skilled of the two punchers and beat the better opposition. Guess it depends on one's criteria.

Re: The Hitman or The Hawk: Who Was the Better KO Artist

Posted: 03 Mar 2014, 15:01
by gilgamesh
I think Jackson had more one shot KO power as well, but Hearns was definitely right there with him. I think Hearns would beat Jackson more often than not in a head to head fight.

Re: The Hitman or The Hawk: Who Was the Better KO Artist

Posted: 03 Mar 2014, 15:18
by BoxBuzz
Seriously if you use the word "Artist" It's Hearns.......Jackson's work was not often pretty.

Re: The Hitman or The Hawk: Who Was the Better KO Artist

Posted: 03 Mar 2014, 21:27
by SaadOffTheDeck
gilgamesh wrote:I think Jackson had more one shot KO power as well
I don't. Jackson was a bit diminished with his power at 160. Tommy was dropping and stopping Light Heavyweights and Cruiserweights well past his prime.

Re: The Hitman or The Hawk: Who Was the Better KO Artist

Posted: 03 Mar 2014, 21:36
by DaveyMac
drunkenpiper36 wrote:I picked Jackson for having more raw power, but Hearns was the more skilled of the two punchers and beat the better opposition. Guess it depends on one's criteria.
This +1

Re: The Hitman or The Hawk: Who Was the Better KO Artist

Posted: 04 Mar 2014, 00:04
by NazNaci1
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I don't. Jackson was a bit diminished with his power at 160. Tommy was dropping and stopping Light Heavyweights and Cruiserweights well past his prime.
Fair point. Add to that his superior quality of wins, I'd go for Tommy, too.

Re: The Hitman or The Hawk: Who Was the Better KO Artist

Posted: 04 Mar 2014, 05:56
by Ezzard
Don't know about sheer power but Tommy would land a far higher percentage of his home-run shots.

Accuracy makes a huge difference.

Re: The Hitman or The Hawk: Who Was the Better KO Artist

Posted: 04 Mar 2014, 07:00
by Crease
Hearns was the better knockout artist... But Jackson had more power.

It's a bit of a strange old question.

Re: The Hitman or The Hawk: Who Was the Better KO Artist

Posted: 04 Mar 2014, 21:06
by Cutman Scabbers
When I saw the title I thought it would be about Aaron Pryor.

Re: The Hitman or The Hawk: Who Was the Better KO Artist

Posted: 04 Mar 2014, 21:12
by gilgamesh
Cutman Scabbers wrote:When I saw the title I thought it would be about Aaron Pryor.
I thought the same thing.

Re: The Hitman or The Hawk: Who Was the Better KO Artist

Posted: 04 Mar 2014, 21:14
by Bobbyptsd
So did I.

And I voted for Hearns. I think he was a better finisher, and hit harder shot for shot.

Re: The Hitman or The Hawk: Who Was the Better KO Artist

Posted: 04 Mar 2014, 21:29
by King Carlos
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:I think Jackson had more one shot KO power as well
I don't. Jackson was a bit diminished with his power at 160. Tommy was dropping and stopping Light Heavyweights and Cruiserweights well past his prime.
I don't think his power was diminished at Middleweight. He was just on the down slope of his career starting there. He was still just as capable of putting guys out in frightening ways at Middle as he was Jr. Middle.

Re: The Hitman or The Hawk: Who Was the Better KO Artist

Posted: 04 Mar 2014, 21:54
by SaadOffTheDeck
That's quite a contradiction.

Re: The Hitman or The Hawk: Who Was the Better KO Artist

Posted: 05 Mar 2014, 06:43
by Cutman Scabbers
gilgamesh wrote:
Cutman Scabbers wrote:When I saw the title I thought it would be about Aaron Pryor.
I thought the same thing.

And as much as I admire Hearns, I'd pick Pryor -- only 4 of 39 went the distance with him.

Re: The Hitman or The Hawk: Who Was the Better KO Artist

Posted: 05 Mar 2014, 10:53
by SaadOffTheDeck
Cutman Scabbers wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:
Cutman Scabbers wrote:When I saw the title I thought it would be about Aaron Pryor.
I thought the same thing.

And as much as I admire Hearns, I'd pick Pryor -- only 4 of 39 went the distance with him.
:lol:

Re: The Hitman or The Hawk: Who Was the Better KO Artist

Posted: 05 Mar 2014, 10:55
by NazNaci1
Cutman Scabbers wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:
Cutman Scabbers wrote:When I saw the title I thought it would be about Aaron Pryor.
I thought the same thing.

And as much as I admire Hearns, I'd pick Pryor -- only 4 of 39 went the distance with him.
Not sure it can be quantified as simply as that, to be honest. The quality of wins has to come into play.

Re: The Hitman or The Hawk: Who Was the Better KO Artist

Posted: 05 Mar 2014, 10:59
by SaadOffTheDeck
NazNaci1 wrote:
Cutman Scabbers wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:
I thought the same thing.

And as much as I admire Hearns, I'd pick Pryor -- only 4 of 39 went the distance with him.
Not sure it can be quantified as simply as that, to be honest. The quality of wins has to come into play.
I'd think so, unless Hector Camacho was a greater knock out artist than Ike Williams.

Re: The Hitman or The Hawk: Who Was the Better KO Artist

Posted: 05 Mar 2014, 11:11
by Ezzard
Hearns had many more ways of winning than a right hand to the chin.

Re: The Hitman or The Hawk: Who Was the Better KO Artist

Posted: 05 Mar 2014, 11:23
by IKSRTFO
Hearns. His power even carried over to the unbreakable. Even though he didn't stop neither he almost ended Leonard's career and hurt the superhuman chin of Hagler even if for a few seconds.

Re: The Hitman or The Hawk: Who Was the Better KO Artist

Posted: 05 Mar 2014, 12:24
by elmersalsa
The great Hitman KO'd stone-chinned great Roberto Duran.

another question for you all will be, who was the better puncher/ko artist after round 5: The Hitman or The Hawk?

It seemed to me that after five rounds, Hearns was not as devastating as a puncher. Did Jackson had that problem?

Re: The Hitman or The Hawk: Who Was the Better KO Artist

Posted: 05 Mar 2014, 13:38
by King Carlos
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:That's quite a contradiction.
His power wasn't on the down slope. He was as a fighter. Not to mention his eyes were getting worse and worse. One of the reasons he became less technically proficient down the line. Not that he was ever a great technician, but still. His power was just as frightening, he just wasn't as adept at landing the big shot (with some obvious exceptions).

Hearns was the more skilled finisher, but Jackson was the harder puncher as far as raw power for me.

Re: The Hitman or The Hawk: Who Was the Better KO Artist

Posted: 05 Mar 2014, 17:49
by SaadOffTheDeck
King Carlos wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:That's quite a contradiction.
His power wasn't on the down slope. He was as a fighter. Not to mention his eyes were getting worse and worse. One of the reasons he became less technically proficient down the line. Not that he was ever a great technician, but still. His power was just as frightening, he just wasn't as adept at landing the big shot (with some obvious exceptions).

Hearns was the more skilled finisher, but Jackson was the harder puncher as far as raw power for me.
I don't agree with a word of this, but it's quite clear. :TU: