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Posted: **04 Mar 2014, 10:42**

James Toney
Michael Nunn
Felix Trinidad
Steve Collins

Posted: **04 Mar 2014, 13:51**

James Toney W12
Michael Nunn W12
Felix Trinidad KO 9

don't know enough about Steve Collins.

Posted: **04 Mar 2014, 14:12**

Graham W12 Trinidad
Tony SD 12 Graham
Nunn W12 Graham
Graham W12 Collins

Posted: **04 Mar 2014, 19:29**

the first 2 are tough match up`s for bomber,i can`t see him winning,he`s got a chance against tito providing he doesn't switch off and,Collins is made for him,come ahead fighter who didn't use lateral movement ,i think herol ties him in knots and wins a decision

Posted: **04 Mar 2014, 22:09**

I think potentially Graham outboxes Toney, after all Nunn did. Nunn isn't so special that Graham wouldn't succeed there either..

Posted: **05 Mar 2014, 01:47**

Nunn not special? He dominated till his personal life went astray. Much better fighter than Herol Graham. Not even close. Herol was very slick but his chin failed him against the best. Only one he might of beat on that list is Steve Collins - who is not a given. Steve always stood up well against good fighters - Reggie Johnson, Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, and Chris Pyatt. Graham did not fight that level of competition. Actually I should say Graham lost to all the upper tier fighters he fought. McCallum, Kalamby (twice) - who Nunn knocked out in the first.

Posted: **05 Mar 2014, 04:22**

Dancin' Dan wrote:Nunn not special? He dominated till his personal life went astray. Much better fighter than Herol Graham. Not even close. Herol was very slick but his chin failed him against the best. Only one he might of beat on that list is Steve Collins - who is not a given. Steve always stood up well against good fighters - Reggie Johnson, Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, and Chris Pyatt. Graham did not fight that level of competition. Actually I should say Graham lost to all the upper tier fighters he fought. McCallum, Kalamby (twice) - who Nunn knocked out in the first.

A lot of those loses were either controversial or when Graham was off form. Nunn after all was stopped by an average puncher in Toney.

Posted: **05 Mar 2014, 07:46**

Dancin' Dan wrote:Nunn not special? He dominated till his personal life went astray. Much better fighter than Herol Graham. Not even close. Herol was very slick but his chin failed him against the best. Only one he might of beat on that list is Steve Collins - who is not a given. Steve always stood up well against good fighters - Reggie Johnson, Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, and Chris Pyatt. Graham did not fight that level of competition. Actually I should say Graham lost to all the upper tier fighters he fought. McCallum, Kalamby (twice) - who Nunn knocked out in the first.

Herol's chin failed him against Jackson, the best one punch hitter of a generation, landing the noisy perfect punch of his career. If anything, Herol proved his chin too much in his big fights before then; McCallum didn't hurt him. Trinidad isn't going to win this ;not enough power at middle and too one dimensional. Collins was made of iron, but is going to be comfortably outboxed; his best wins are essentially career enders for champs at the end of the road. Nunn and Toney are tougher; I find it hard to predict how either fight would pan out, but I can't see Herol beating either at their best.

Posted: **05 Mar 2014, 08:06**

Dancin' Dan wrote:Nunn not special? He dominated till his personal life went astray. Much better fighter than Herol Graham. Not even close. Herol was very slick but his chin failed him against the best. Only one he might of beat on that list is Steve Collins - who is not a given. Steve always stood up well against good fighters - Reggie Johnson, Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, and Chris Pyatt. Graham did not fight that level of competition. Actually I should say Graham lost to all the upper tier fighters he fought. McCallum, Kalamby (twice) - who Nunn knocked out in the first.

Posted: **05 Mar 2014, 08:23**

SamWise72 wrote:
Dancin' Dan wrote:Nunn not special? He dominated till his personal life went astray. Much better fighter than Herol Graham. Not even close. Herol was very slick but his chin failed him against the best. Only one he might of beat on that list is Steve Collins - who is not a given. Steve always stood up well against good fighters - Reggie Johnson, Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, and Chris Pyatt. Graham did not fight that level of competition. Actually I should say Graham lost to all the upper tier fighters he fought. McCallum, Kalamby (twice) - who Nunn knocked out in the first.
Herol's chin failed him against Jackson, the best one punch hitter of a generation, landing the noisy perfect punch of his career. If anything, Herol proved his chin too much in his big fights before then; McCallum didn't hurt him. Trinidad isn't going to win this ;not enough power at middle and too one dimensional. Collins was made of iron, but is going to be comfortably outboxed; his best wins are essentially career enders for champs at the end of the road. Nunn and Toney are tougher; I find it hard to predict how either fight would pan out, but I can't see Herol beating either at their best.

Why not. Toney was outboxed by Nunn.

Posted: **05 Mar 2014, 13:17**

Not Toney at his best. Although Toney was always weight drained at middle, so maybe he could. Nunn has a better track record than Graham; I love Herol more than anyone, but Nunn is more proven.

Posted: **06 Mar 2014, 00:20**

polecateddy wrote:
SamWise72 wrote:
Dancin' Dan wrote:Nunn not special? He dominated till his personal life went astray. Much better fighter than Herol Graham. Not even close. Herol was very slick but his chin failed him against the best. Only one he might of beat on that list is Steve Collins - who is not a given. Steve always stood up well against good fighters - Reggie Johnson, Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, and Chris Pyatt. Graham did not fight that level of competition. Actually I should say Graham lost to all the upper tier fighters he fought. McCallum, Kalamby (twice) - who Nunn knocked out in the first.
Herol's chin failed him against Jackson, the best one punch hitter of a generation, landing the noisy perfect punch of his career. If anything, Herol proved his chin too much in his big fights before then; McCallum didn't hurt him. Trinidad isn't going to win this ;not enough power at middle and too one dimensional. Collins was made of iron, but is going to be comfortably outboxed; his best wins are essentially career enders for champs at the end of the road. Nunn and Toney are tougher; I find it hard to predict how either fight would pan out, but I can't see Herol beating either at their best.
Why not. Toney was outboxed by Nunn.

For 7 rounds. Then Toney took the momentum of the fight over and knocked out Nunn. Nunn is a more skilled boxer than Graham, and Graham could be knocked out by Toney just like Nunn was.

Posted: **06 Mar 2014, 04:29**

I would offer, though, that Herol was more evasive. It's not like it's a precise continuum, and Nunn was just further along it.

Posted: **31 Mar 2014, 00:12**

Graham would befuddle Trinidad and Toney for six rounds.

Posted: **31 Mar 2014, 17:23**

I really can't see Trinidad finding a way to beat him. He's a big pocket, but no Jackson in that regard, and not big enough or a good enough boxer to take it on points.

Posted: **04 Apr 2014, 04:36**

He'd clearly beat Trinidad.

A fight with Nun wouldn't have been much fun and it would end up in a decision similar to say the McCallum fight. Graham loses by a point or something like that.

Toney would be favourite and could stop Herol but I can also imagine a points decision the other way.

Collins? I'd be sure Graham would win going in but Steve could always and would always turn it on against these kinds of fighters. So again, 50-50...

Posted: **04 Apr 2014, 04:59**

gilgamesh wrote:
polecateddy wrote:
Why not. Toney was outboxed by Nunn.
For 7 rounds. Then Toney took the momentum of the fight over and knocked out Nunn. Nunn is a more skilled boxer than Graham, and Graham could be knocked out by Toney just like Nunn was.

Posted: **04 Apr 2014, 13:12**

Counter-puncher wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:
polecateddy wrote:
Why not. Toney was outboxed by Nunn.
For 7 rounds. Then Toney took the momentum of the fight over and knocked out Nunn. Nunn is a more skilled boxer than Graham, and Graham could be knocked out by Toney just like Nunn was.

You must've noticed what I always noticed. Basically when you hear Nunn vs Toney talked about, you almost always hear that Nunn was outboxing Toney clearly all the way up until the knockout. That's not the case. Nunn definitely wins the first 7 rounds of that bout, but as of Round 8 Toney starts winning every round and rocks Nunn on a few occasions prior to closing the show in the 11th.

Rounds 8-11 Toney was in full control. It's not like the KO just came out of nowhere.

Posted: **04 Apr 2014, 13:18**

The McCallum fight would have been a draw but for the foul point deduction which was very hasty.they met each other at their best and some of the fighting was natural.this night graham elected to stand and trade.

Jackson would have lost on a cut but for Graham moment of madness that cost him so dearly and ruined his aura.

The kalambay rematch he was robbed in a home town decision after flooring him twice, the first one he lost after he found out his gf was cheating a few days before.

Even at 38 he had floored Charles brewer twice and was 4 minutes away from a world title when he got hit and it was stopped early.

You get the picture this man was unlucky.on top of that he should have had a world title shot in 1986 against hagler.

All coulda beens, fact is Graham at his best could give any mw the last 25 years a very very hard fight maybe even beat most,but imo nunn and toney were far more talented and stop him these last two were very very exceptional talents while Graham was an enigmatic talent who suffered momentary lapses in key fights that cost him

But Graham should be at peace and happy for what he achieved and his legacy in britain

Posted: **04 Apr 2014, 14:22**

How do you guys think Herol Graham would fare against the last 3 Middleweight Champions?

Jermain Taylor, Kelly Pavlik and Sergio Martinez.

Posted: **04 Apr 2014, 15:44**

gilgamesh wrote:How do you guys think Herol Graham would fare against the last 3 Middleweight Champions?

Jermain Taylor, Kelly Pavlik and Sergio Martinez.

I pick Graham to lose to Toney, Nunn,Trinidad and Collins. However I would be willing to place a heavy bet on Graham to beat Pavlik,Martinez and Taylor.

Posted: **04 Apr 2014, 16:21**

The peak undistracted Graham of 86-88 beats martinez in a close one and easned past pavlik.styles make fights and Taglor was a smooth boxer not a million miles from kalambay and decisions herol

Posted: **04 Apr 2014, 18:13**

The End wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:How do you guys think Herol Graham would fare against the last 3 Middleweight Champions?

Jermain Taylor, Kelly Pavlik and Sergio Martinez.
I pick Graham to lose to Toney, Nunn,Trinidad and Collins. However I would be willing to place a heavy bet on Graham to beat Pavlik,Martinez and Taylor.

How on earth would Steve Collins beat Herol?

Posted: **05 Apr 2014, 04:16**

gilgamesh wrote: You must've noticed what I always noticed. Basically when you hear Nunn vs Toney talked about, you almost always hear that Nunn was outboxing Toney clearly all the way up until the knockout. That's not the case. Nunn definitely wins the first 7 rounds of that bout, but as of Round 8 Toney starts winning every round and rocks Nunn on a few occasions prior to closing the show in the 11th.

Rounds 8-11 Toney was in full control. It's not like the KO just came out of nowhere.

exactly, exactly

Posted: **05 Apr 2014, 05:25**

I want to know how any of these boxers can be considered 'more skillful' than Herol. Granted they may have had better results or luck, but all benefitted from more opportunities.

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