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Golota KO 4 or 5. Too big, too strong for Marvis. From what I've seen more skilled as well.

I have a hard time envisioning Marvis would be able to hurt Golota, Golota being able to hurt Marvis is easy to imagine.

Probably wouldn't be able to frustrate Golota either, so no DQ win for Frazier.

Golota by KO in the early rounds. Golota tended to freeze when facing top level compertition (Lewis, Bowe, Tyson).

Marvis was not a top fighter, so Golota would keep his composure

Heartbreak_Kid79 wrote:Golota by KO in the early rounds. Golota tended to freeze when facing top level compertition (Lewis, Bowe, Tyson).

Marvis was not a top fighter, so Golota would keep his composure

He was frozen with Bowe? What do you mean by that?

Duch wrote:

Heartbreak_Kid79 wrote:Golota by KO in the early rounds. Golota tended to freeze when facing top level compertition (Lewis, Bowe, Tyson).

Marvis was not a top fighter, so Golota would keep his composure

He was frozen with Bowe? What do you mean by that?

I'd guess that here "freeze" is synonymous with "go fuckin' mental".

I dare say that if this question was posed about Marvis Frazier vs. half of the pros and several of the top amateurs he defeated back in the 1980's, we would hear the same type of replies; "he's not as skilled, he can't take a punch, he has no punch, etc. etc" And yet Marvis "somehow" managed to beat: James Broad, Joe Bugner, James Tillis, Bonecrusher Smith, Mitch Green, Jose Ribalta, Tim Witherspoon, Tony Tubbs, Jimmy Clark, and Philipp Brown. Was his father the best man to train him?, did he fight for the HW championship too soon?, should he have started as a light heavy or a cruiser weight than move up? These are much more legitimate questions about his career, but can we please have an end to questioning whether MF was a good, competitive, skillful boxer. The record has already clearly answered those questions in the affirmative (and if you don't know the record, check it out in his recently released biography "Meet Marvis Frazier: The Story of the Son of Smokin' Joe").
Thank you

Good points.


Thanks I will.

Duch wrote:

Heartbreak_Kid79 wrote:Golota by KO in the early rounds. Golota tended to freeze when facing top level compertition (Lewis, Bowe, Tyson).

Marvis was not a top fighter, so Golota would keep his composure

He was frozen with Bowe? What do you mean by that?

I meant it in the sense of controversy. The pressure of a big situation seemed to get to Golota.
ie He started punching south on Bowe and got DQ'd, he froze agaisnt Lewis like a rabbit in the headlights, he quit against Tyson.
Against the 3 best opponents he faced, he buckled under the weight of the occasion. His mind was fragile ... (though Lewis did legitimately destroy him)

Heartbreak_Kid79 wrote:

Duch wrote:

Heartbreak_Kid79 wrote:Golota by KO in the early rounds. Golota tended to freeze when facing top level compertition (Lewis, Bowe, Tyson).

Marvis was not a top fighter, so Golota would keep his composure

He was frozen with Bowe? What do you mean by that?

I meant it in the sense of controversy. The pressure of a big situation seemed to get to Golota.
ie He started punching south on Bowe and got DQ'd, he froze agaisnt Lewis like a rabbit in the headlights, he quit against Tyson.
Against the 3 best opponents he faced, he buckled under the weight of the occasion. His mind was fragile ... (though Lewis did legitimately destroy him)

I don't hold the Lewis and Tyson fights against him. He was caught by Lewis and didn't recover. And didn't he get concussed and had a broken nose going into the 3rd with Tyson?
Anyways, he did screw up against Bowe and fold big time after being unable to finish Grant.

I don't hold the Lewis and Tyson fights against him. He was caught by Lewis and didn't recover. And didn't he get concussed and had a broken nose going into the 3rd with Tyson?
Anyways, he did screw up against Bowe and fold big time after being unable to finish Grant.

I don't know anything about broken nose but he get concussed in the fight with Tyson.