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at welterweight,prime for prime,the flash robinson against the hungry and angry duran

Two "Bests" but naturally different weight classes.
Duran moved up as far as Middle from his natural lightweight and performed well

SRR moved up to LHW from his natural WW and performed well.

You need to simply pick the naturally bigger man here. IMHO.

Ray hit almost as hard as Hearns, who left Duran face down and twitching, and could box offensively better than Leonard. He could perhaps dance round Duran too, but I see him taking the Leonard I approach, and carrying it off.

I will put my money on Roberto. I would even put my money on the great Sugar Ray Leonard also against the great original Sugar Ray

How would you see those fights panning out?

Elmer....are you calling this......pound for pound? Or the WW version of Duran vs the WW version of SRR?

Duran's best shot I suppose is having SRL greatly affected by a nearly fatal case of Halitosis....and thus calling out at the last minute and having the PRIME SRR step up in his place.

Hmm....that's a tough one....but I'm inclined to still go with the naturally bigger man.

However if it's Pound for Pound.....It's a genuine pick em for me.

I am betting on Duran in a fight at welterweight. I even bet Leonard against the original Sugar Ray in the "Battle of the Sugars"

You think SRR rep has been overly stressed?

How would you see those fights going, Elmer?

duran does not have a chance against a peak sugar ray robinson at welterweight - this is the best weight for the best fighter of them all. duran was probably the best lightweight of all time but he does not get better in the heavier divisions.
robinson also defeats leonard but this is much closer and arguable

Without any doubt Roberto Duran would have the best chance against Sugar Ray Robinson.
Really can't understand/imagine why anyone would be posting and bring up anything about Hearns or Leonard.
Lets get this out of the way first and foremost..."There was only one Sugar Ray and his name was Robinson."
The posting here was.... SUGAR RAY ROBINSON VS ROBERTO DURAN!
Credit to those who gave their thoughts based on what the post was about. For everyone else all I'm
hearing are personal opinions/theory based on other boxers/fighters.
Why I say Duran would have the best chance is based on facts not emotions like SamWise who said the following:
"Ray hit almost as hard as Hearn's, who left Duran face down and twitching".
Compare the facts and records against Duran's.... 103W 16L 70KO'S...Roberto Duran has more KO'S than both
Hearn's and Leonard have fights. Also Iran Barkley beat Hearn's for those of you that want to compare fights.

RAPIDFIRE wrote:Without any doubt Roberto Duran would have the best chance against Sugar Ray Robinson.
Really can't understand/imagine why anyone would be posting and bring up anything about Hearns or Leonard.
Lets get this out of the way first and foremost..."There was only one Sugar Ray and his name was Robinson."
The posting here was.... SUGAR RAY ROBINSON VS ROBERTO DURAN!
Credit to those who gave their thoughts based on what the post was about. For everyone else all I'm
hearing are personal opinions/theory based on other boxers/fighters.
Why I say Duran would have the best chance is based on facts not emotions like SamWise who said the following:
"Ray hit almost as hard as Hearn's, who left Duran face down and twitching".
Compare the facts and records against Duran's.... 103W 16L 70KO'S...Roberto Duran has more KO'S than both
Hearn's and Leonard have fights. Also Iran Barkley beat Hearn's for those of you that want to compare fights.

So, did Hearns leave him face down and twitching or did we imagine that?

Who the hell looks at numbers like that in boxing anyway? "Duran has more KO's" Does someone who uses that as an argument like that even watch boxing?

Anyway, I'd go with Robinson, I guess. But I wouldn't be all that confident about it. The Duran who beat Leonard.....I don't know.

Giancarlo wrote:

RAPIDFIRE wrote:Without any doubt Roberto Duran would have the best chance against Sugar Ray Robinson.
Really can't understand/imagine why anyone would be posting and bring up anything about Hearns or Leonard.
Lets get this out of the way first and foremost..."There was only one Sugar Ray and his name was Robinson."
The posting here was.... SUGAR RAY ROBINSON VS ROBERTO DURAN!
Credit to those who gave their thoughts based on what the post was about. For everyone else all I'm
hearing are personal opinions/theory based on other boxers/fighters.
Why I say Duran would have the best chance is based on facts not emotions like SamWise who said the following:
"Ray hit almost as hard as Hearn's, who left Duran face down and twitching".
Compare the facts and records against Duran's.... 103W 16L 70KO'S...Roberto Duran has more KO'S than both
Hearn's and Leonard have fights. Also Iran Barkley beat Hearn's for those of you that want to compare fights.

So, did Hearns leave him face down and twitching or did we imagine that?

Why ask me...maybe you should ask the 70 guys that got knocked out by Duran and see if they had any
What You did was address the facts I presented face down and twitching...Compare the facts and records against Duran's.... 103W 16L 70KO'S...Roberto Duran has more KO'S than both
Hearn's and Leonard have fights. Also Iran Barkley beat Hearn's for those of you that want to compare fights

Bobbyptsd wrote:Who the hell looks at numbers like that in boxing anyway? "Duran has more KO's" Does someone who uses that as an argument like that even watch boxing?

Anyway, I'd go with Robinson, I guess. But I wouldn't be all that confident about it. The Duran who beat Leonard.....I don't know.

You can't be serious ..maybe people that are knowledgeable in boxing.. that's who the hell looks at numbers like that.
Lets see. My facts against your comments :"Anyway I'd go with Robinson, I guess" But I wouldn't be all that confident.
I'll stick with facts...You stick with I'm not sure what I just said. Great argument from someone that watches boxing

The Duran that beat Leonard and Palomino was the best fighter I've ever seen. I know I haven't seen Robinson at his absolute best but I'll take that Duran as an underdog 8 days a week.

As effective as Hearns could be when he landed flush, anyone could fall prey to him.

Unless he broke his hand right at the moment of impact cushioning by bone collapse his power.........(Hagler reference here)

And....I believe that was somewhat of a fluke, and against something other than the best Duran.

However, to answer Giancarlo's question....Yes it happened. Can't be denied.

But I do understand very clearly why this is not a SRR runaway slam dunk. Though I would favor him.

The Barkley loose cannon aspect is a fun dynamic to toss around in this hypothetical.

Because I don't think Hearns could do to SRR what he did to Duran...Nor do I think Tommy could have done that twice, at least if he was facing a Duran at the top of his game. Not saying Duran would win here either, once again there is a big discrepancy in size ....even more than a more evenly matched SRR and Duran. Tommy was a near natural SMW or even LHW...he never looked heavy to me at those weights.

It wasn't even natural, Tommy was a freak of nature. He also was, IMNSHO, a top 20 all time fighter. I'd give Robinson a zero percent chance of stopping a prime Duran(and yeah, I think he was prime at Welter).

Edit: Robinson would have hell with Hearns too.

BoxBuzz wrote:As effective as Hearns could be when he landed flush, anyone could fall prey to him.

Unless he broke his hand right at the moment of impact cushioning by bone collapse his power.........(Hagler reference here)

And....I believe that was somewhat of a fluke, and against something other than the best Duran.

However, to answer Giancarlo's question....Yes it happened. Can't be denied.

But I do understand very clearly why this is not a SRR runaway slam dunk. Though I would favor him.

The Barkley loose cannon aspect is a fun dynamic to toss around in this hypothetical.

Because I don't think Hearns could do to SRR what he did to Duran...Nor do I think Tommy could have done that twice, at least if he was facing a Duran at the top of his game. Not saying Duran would win here either, once again there is a big discrepancy in size ....even more than a more evenly matched SRR and Duran. Tommy was a near natural SMW or even LHW...he never looked heavy to me at those weights.

My initial response to this post was to attempt to stick to the post and refute comparing other fights to whether Duran
could beat SRR. Enter my facts comparing records.
Can anyone posting here on this topic absolutely know for sure either way? The same argument used against Duran on this post that Boxx Buss came to the rescue must apply equally to Hearn's getting knocked out.
Yes it also happened and that can't be denied.
The Barkley loose cannon aspect is a fun dynamic to toss around in this hypothetical??
You can apply this also equally to Hearn's.

RAPIDFIRE wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:As effective as Hearns could be when he landed flush, anyone could fall prey to him.

Unless he broke his hand right at the moment of impact cushioning by bone collapse his power.........(Hagler reference here)

And....I believe that was somewhat of a fluke, and against something other than the best Duran.

However, to answer Giancarlo's question....Yes it happened. Can't be denied.

But I do understand very clearly why this is not a SRR runaway slam dunk. Though I would favor him.

The Barkley loose cannon aspect is a fun dynamic to toss around in this hypothetical.

Because I don't think Hearns could do to SRR what he did to Duran...Nor do I think Tommy could have done that twice, at least if he was facing a Duran at the top of his game. Not saying Duran would win here either, once again there is a big discrepancy in size ....even more than a more evenly matched SRR and Duran. Tommy was a near natural SMW or even LHW...he never looked heavy to me at those weights.

My initial response to this post was to attempt to stick to the post and refute comparing other fights to whether Duran
could beat SRR. Enter my facts comparing records.
Can anyone posting here on this topic absolutely know for sure either way? The same argument used against Duran on this post that Boxx Buss came to the rescue must apply equally to Hearn's getting knocked out.
Yes it also happened and that can't be denied.
The Barkley loose cannon aspect is a fun dynamic to toss around in this hypothetical??
You can apply this also equally to Hearn's.

That's an odd response, he wasn't saying Duran couldn't beat SRR. Quite the opposite.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:It wasn't even natural, Tommy was a freak of nature. He also was, IMNSHO, a top 20 all time fighter. I'd give Robinson a zero percent chance of stopping a prime Duran(and yeah, I think he was prime at Welter).

Edit: Robinson would have hell with Hearns too.

You said it better than I ever could...Thanks Saad

RAPIDFIRE wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:It wasn't even natural, Tommy was a freak of nature. He also was, IMNSHO, a top 20 all time fighter. I'd give Robinson a zero percent chance of stopping a prime Duran(and yeah, I think he was prime at Welter).

Edit: Robinson would have hell with Hearns too.

You said it better than I ever could...Thanks Saad

Rapidfire got lost due to my eclectic rambling (my typical straining of the syntax)........Saad you did understand me correctly.

I honestly see the Duran Hearns outcome as an anomaly but it happened.
I honestly see the TWO Barkley Hearns outcomes as anomalies....but they happened.
I even see the Hagler/Hearns outcome as an oddity that could not be repeated. (Not saying a different winner, just never repeatable lol)

You get greats or near greats in the ring together, and you can do all the math you want,

But the outcomes are often going to be fully unpredictable. Because one greatly talented fighter given a break, or a hint of an opportunity, he can turn the world around on a dime, and all the skill in the world may not be able to solve the problem inherited in that non recoverable nanosecond.

BoxBuzz wrote:Rapidfire got lost due to my eclectic rambling (my typical straining of the syntax)........Saad you did understand me correctly.

I honestly see the Duran Hearns outcome as an anomaly but it happened.
I honestly see the TWO Barkley Hearns outcomes as anomalies....but they happened.
I even see the Hagler/Hearns outcome as an oddity that could not be repeated. (Not saying a different winner, just never repeatable lol)

You get greats or near greats in the ring together, and you can do all the math you want,

But the outcomes are often going to be fully unpredictable. Because one greatly talented fighter given a break, or a hint of an opportunity, he can turn the world around on a dime, and all the skill in the world may not be able to solve the problem inherited in that non recoverable nanosecond.

The only certainty is if you wanted to beat Tommy Hearns you may as well book a Hospital room in advance.

I would pick Robinson at Welterweight at Lightweight or p4p. I may take Duran in a bar fight though.