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Top ten Irish boxers making waves in Britain

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'Making Waves' is pushing it a bit.

Black Sam Bellamy wrote:'Making Waves' is pushing it a bit.

Yeah, Fury and Frampton are the only ones that for that description

Let's call a spade a spade there's not many irish born pro fighters
That would make waves in the bath at the moment

reggaereggae wrote:

Black Sam Bellamy wrote:'Making Waves' is pushing it a bit.

Yeah, Fury and Frampton are the only ones that for that description

And Fury really isn't Irish. I'm not reopening the old debate, and do agree Macklin should be classed as such, but not Fury.

Are lee and macklin still supposed to be fighting each other?

Great fight if that gets made.

Only Frampton is a genuine Irish fighter making waves in britain, the rest are either not really Irish fighters or not making waves yet, like Andy Lee who is good, but has not kicked off over here yet, Macklin is a brummy, Fury is not real Irish, if they are Irish then most of us are Irish including me, my great grandfather was Irish, they get about, I think we are going to have to settle for top one Irish boxers making waves in britain, very poor really considering some of the great Irish fighters we have had in the past, they are doing great in the Amateurs though, so things could be good in the future for the pro Irish scene.

Anzi wrote:Only Frampton is a genuine Irish fighter making waves in britain, the rest are either not really Irish fighters or not making waves yet, like Andy Lee who is good, but has not kicked off over here yet, Macklin is a brummy, Fury is not real Irish, if they are Irish then most of us are Irish including me, my great grandfather was Irish, they get about, I think we are going to have to settle for top one Irish boxers making waves in britain, very poor really considering some of the great Irish fighters we have had in the past, they are doing great in the Amateurs though, so things could be good in the future for the pro Irish scene.

Macklin's parents are Irish, he spent loads of time there as a kid, played Hurling for Tipperary up to Under 21 level and considers himself Irish, I don't want to get into the whole debate about it again, but that's Irish enough to me.

chiggsy wrote:Are lee and macklin still supposed to be fighting each other?

Great fight if that gets made.

They've been saying they're willing to fight each for the last 40 years it seems. We'll see them on an equivalent of ringside in 2030 saying how they would of loved to fought one another and how they would of won, blah, blah, blah

expe wrote:

Anzi wrote:Only Frampton is a genuine Irish fighter making waves in britain, the rest are either not really Irish fighters or not making waves yet, like Andy Lee who is good, but has not kicked off over here yet, Macklin is a brummy, Fury is not real Irish, if they are Irish then most of us are Irish including me, my great grandfather was Irish, they get about, I think we are going to have to settle for top one Irish boxers making waves in britain, very poor really considering some of the great Irish fighters we have had in the past, they are doing great in the Amateurs though, so things could be good in the future for the pro Irish scene.

Macklin's parents are Irish, he spent loads of time there as a kid, played Hurling for Tipperary up to Under 21 level and considers himself Irish, I don't want to get into the whole debate about it again, but that's Irish enough to me.

Both of Frankie Gavin's parents are irish aswell right?

columbo wrote:

expe wrote:

Anzi wrote:Only Frampton is a genuine Irish fighter making waves in britain, the rest are either not really Irish fighters or not making waves yet, like Andy Lee who is good, but has not kicked off over here yet, Macklin is a brummy, Fury is not real Irish, if they are Irish then most of us are Irish including me, my great grandfather was Irish, they get about, I think we are going to have to settle for top one Irish boxers making waves in britain, very poor really considering some of the great Irish fighters we have had in the past, they are doing great in the Amateurs though, so things could be good in the future for the pro Irish scene.

Macklin's parents are Irish, he spent loads of time there as a kid, played Hurling for Tipperary up to Under 21 level and considers himself Irish, I don't want to get into the whole debate about it again, but that's Irish enough to me.

Both of Frankie Gavin's parents are irish aswell right?

Yeah, Macklin's situation isn't an unusual one, Kevin Kilbane was born and brought up in Preston, a couple of hundred yards from Deepdale, but his parents are Irish and he's always considered himself to be so as well, turned down the chance to play for England youth teams and played for Ireland.

expe wrote:

columbo wrote:

expe wrote: Macklin's parents are Irish, he spent loads of time there as a kid, played Hurling for Tipperary up to Under 21 level and considers himself Irish, I don't want to get into the whole debate about it again, but that's Irish enough to me.

Both of Frankie Gavin's parents are irish aswell right?

Yeah, Macklin's situation isn't an unusual one, Kevin Kilbane was born and brought up in Preston, a couple of hundred yards from Deepdale, but his parents are Irish and he's always considered himself to be so as well, turned down the chance to play for England youth teams and played for Ireland.

I can understand that if both of your parents are irish and you're brought very much up with that culture.

A lot of fighters and footballers with Jamacan parents, who where born and bred here are classed as English footballers or boxers, what is the difference ? the same with Arab or Asian, on the one hand people are angry if sportsmen born and bred here don't call themselves English, yet anyone with a drop of Irish blood is Irish, no matter what, what does the passport read ?

Frankie Gavin won the world amateur title for England, not Ireland, Macklin fought for England as well, so did Fury.

Anzi wrote:A lot of fighters and footballers with Jamacan parents, who where born and bred here are classed as English footballers or boxers, what is the difference ? the same with Arab or Asian, on the one hand people are angry if sportsmen born and bred here don't call themselves English, yet anyone with a drop of Irish blood is Irish, no matter what, what does the passport read ?

And if they considered themselves Jamaican and chose to play for Jamaica, no one would complain, it's their choice. Macklin is eligible for and likely holds an Irish passport and the lads who are considered Irish have more than a 'drop' of Irish blood, usually it's a case of one or more parents being Irish, in which case it's their choice as to what nationality they consider themselves to be.

Anzi wrote:A lot of fighters and footballers with Jamacan parents, who where born and bred here are classed as English footballers or boxers, what is the difference ? the same with Arab or Asian, on the one hand people are angry if sportsmen born and bred here don't call themselves English, yet anyone with a drop of Irish blood is Irish, no matter what, what does the passport read ?

I can't believe I am going to say this ...... I agree with you Saf.

Anzi wrote:Frankie Gavin won the world amateur title for England, not Ireland, Macklin fought for England as well, so did Fury.

They were all living here, boxing for clubs affiliated with the ABA, there's more opportunities and funding available here, to go and box for Ireland would be difficult because they aren't based there, you can't move from Manchester to London, but still box in the North West ABAs, doesn't mean they aren't Irish though.

expe wrote:

Anzi wrote:Frankie Gavin won the world amateur title for England, not Ireland, Macklin fought for England as well, so did Fury.

They were all living here, boxing for clubs affiliated with the ABA, there's more opportunities and funding available here, to go and box for Ireland would be difficult because they aren't based there, you can't move from Manchester to London, but still box in the North West ABAs, doesn't mean they aren't Irish though.

Yes I agree with most of your points, but if you are very good, the funding will be there and Ireland has good funding for the Amateurs and a good set up, Amir Khan's brother Haroon fought for Pakistan, after being snubbed by GB, that is a massive distance, many Irish footballers play in England from the youth sides all the way to the pros, Eoin Morgan play's for England at cricket and also played county cricket through the youth sides and Kieran Farrell used to travel all the way from Manchester to Northen Ireland to train with John Breen, top Irish trainer.

Didnt Frankie say on here that he sees himself as English? Think I read he doesn't have much to do with his old man, that he sees himself as Brummie born and bred.

Morgan plays cricket for England because Ireland can't play a full international schedule. They aren't one of the full members of the International Cricket Council.

A lot of fighters and footballers with Jamacan parents, who where born and bred here are classed as English footballers or boxers, what is the difference ? the same with Arab or Asian, on the one hand people are angry if sportsmen born and bred here don't call themselves English, yet anyone with a drop of Irish blood is Irish, no matter what, what does the passport read ?

He travels on an Irish passport. That's that sorted then, yeah?

bripez wrote:

Anzi wrote:A lot of fighters and footballers with Jamacan parents, who where born and bred here are classed as English footballers or boxers, what is the difference ? the same with Arab or Asian, on the one hand people are angry if sportsmen born and bred here don't call themselves English, yet anyone with a drop of Irish blood is Irish, no matter what, what does the passport read ?

I can't believe I am going to say this ...... I agree with you Saf.

It's not the first time and it won't be the last.

ApolloCreed wrote:

A lot of fighters and footballers with Jamacan parents, who where born and bred here are classed as English footballers or boxers, what is the difference ? the same with Arab or Asian, on the one hand people are angry if sportsmen born and bred here don't call themselves English, yet anyone with a drop of Irish blood is Irish, no matter what, what does the passport read ?

He travels on an Irish passport. That's that sorted then, yeah?

Doubt he would have one if he was born in England.

Anzi wrote:

ApolloCreed wrote:

A lot of fighters and footballers with Jamacan parents, who where born and bred here are classed as English footballers or boxers, what is the difference ? the same with Arab or Asian, on the one hand people are angry if sportsmen born and bred here don't call themselves English, yet anyone with a drop of Irish blood is Irish, no matter what, what does the passport read ?

He travels on an Irish passport. That's that sorted then, yeah?

Doubt he would have one if he was born in England.

I was Born in Uk, I have a Irish passport.

you know the area I live in Naji & every Eid celebration young British lads drive around in there hire cars, beeping there horns, waving there Pakistani flags, (not that Eid is a Pakistani celebration but a religious celebration, so never understood why they do it) but never the less, they are proud of there heritage of there parents.
And even though majority of them have never stepped foot in Pakistan, most class them selves has Pakistanis, the country of there parents, it is the culture there brought up in, religion they follow, food they eat, language they speak, in my eyes there's nothing wrong in that.

If your parents are born in a foreign country or grandparents for that matter, you qualify for a passport of that country.

Anzi wrote:

ApolloCreed wrote:

A lot of fighters and footballers with Jamacan parents, who where born and bred here are classed as English footballers or boxers, what is the difference ? the same with Arab or Asian, on the one hand people are angry if sportsmen born and bred here don't call themselves English, yet anyone with a drop of Irish blood is Irish, no matter what, what does the passport read ?

He travels on an Irish passport. That's that sorted then, yeah?

Doubt he would have one if he was born in England.

Are you trolling now or you just having trouble grasping the situation? Macklin's parents are both Irish so he has the right to hold an Irish passport and to call himself Irish which he so choses to do so. It's not up to anyone else but him to decide what nationality he is or what flag he fights under. This has been done to death now.

lillywhite14 wrote:Didnt Frankie say on here that he sees himself as English? Think I read he doesn't have much to do with his old man, that he sees himself as Brummie born and bred..