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Franks defence Is some if the worst in the country, not just in last nights fight through out his pro career, is mark tibbs doing enough work on defence? Which seems to be a lost art in this country

Michael bennt wrote:Franks defence Is some if the worst in the country, not just in last nights fight through out his pro career, is mark tibbs doing enough work on defence? Which seems to be a lost art in this country

When I first seen him, I knew he would get found out later on against better opponents, he is so open, no head movement, slow feet and the right hand is the easiest shot to catch him with, they have built him up on easy match ups and ignored the limitations, mainly because he is a big ticket seller, he was calling out Chris Eubank jr, not so long back, good job they did not give him the fight, he is strong and can punch a bit, but without defense he is going nowhere, needs to go back to the drawing board, give rounds of just defending against fighters who will go for him, he will be forced to slip, roll and block shots, otherwise he will get hit, tough love.

If it was as easy in boxing as seeing what's wrong and then rectifying it, then everyone would be flawless fighters.
Even if improvements are being addressed by Mark Tibbs it doesn't necessarily equate that a fighter will rectify and change. If it was that simple everyone would be great.
Tibbs knows more about defence than posters on here. Yes he'll be working on it with Frank but it doesn't mean he can adopt those skills.
Why do you think every fighter fights differently, sometimes even with the same trainers? You can't do something just because you want to. I'm sure they're working on defence but it seems Frank struggles to adapt to the defensive side.

Clint Magnum wrote:If it was as easy in boxing as seeing what's wrong and then rectifying it, then everyone would be flawless fighters.
Even if improvements are being addressed by Mark Tibbs it doesn't necessarily equate that a fighter will rectify and change. If it was that simple everyone would be great.
Tibbs knows more about defence than posters on here. Yes he'll be working on it with Frank but it doesn't mean he can adopt those skills.
Why do you think every fighter fights differently, sometimes even with the same trainers? You can't do something just because you want to. I'm sure they're working on defence but it seems Frank struggles to adapt to the defensive side.

How do you know what people know or don't know ? We are talking simple defensive mistakes here and who blamed the trainer ? Sometimes fighters don't change, look at a Froch, a world champion, who drops his left hand all the time and gets caught with the right time and time again, he has been making the same mistake since he was a novice, he has paid for it many times, your boy paid for it Saturday, as a trainer myself, I am just giving my opinion ways to correct it, how it worked for me as a trainer, not everyone is the same and not all fighters can adjust, so don't get all riled up over nothing, what I do know though is that the fighter in question needs to do something to correct the problem or it could happen again.

Who's getting riled up you plum?
I made a perfectly calm comment about all fighters and the fact that just because they know how to rectify a mistake doesn't mean they're physically capable. If you're indeed a pro coach that statement should be quite clear. Slips rolls and parries can be taught but to an outsider it may look like they're not as every fighter has limitations despite the best will of a trainer. Frank is not my "boy" and if you read the post correctly you'd see I was criticising him not defending him.

Clint Magnum wrote:Who's getting riled up you plum?
I made a perfectly calm comment about all fighters and the fact that just because they know how to rectify a mistake doesn't mean they're physically capable. If you're indeed a pro coach that statement should be quite clear. Slips rolls and parries can be taught but to an outsider it may look like they're not as every fighter has limitations despite the best will of a trainer. Frank is not my "boy" and if you read the post correctly you'd see I was criticising him not defending him.

But you was over defensive about the Tibbs for some reason and then made a statement about everyone on the forum, you don't know everyone on the forum, so you can't comment what everyone knows about defensive techniques, what we do know however is that the fighter has defensive problems and he has had them since he started, that is the fact of the matter, PLUM lol.

Clint Magnum wrote:If it was as easy in boxing as seeing what's wrong and then rectifying it, then everyone would be flawless fighters.
Even if improvements are being addressed by Mark Tibbs it doesn't necessarily equate that a fighter will rectify and change. If it was that simple everyone would be great.
Tibbs knows more about defence than posters on here. Yes he'll be working on it with Frank but it doesn't mean he can adopt those skills.
Why do you think every fighter fights differently, sometimes even with the same trainers? You can't do something just because you want to. I'm sure they're working on defence but it seems Frank struggles to adapt to the defensive side.

The fact he was getting caught by Ryan Clark and yet still made the same issues here should suggest that either Buglioni can't learn or Tibbs can't teach him.

Clint Magnum wrote:Who's getting riled up you plum?
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Are you one of Eddie's mates off TOWIE ?

Frank may learn better now he's been exposed/beaten. I imagine that because he was a high level amateur and is a big ticket seller he decided on a plough forward crowd pleasing style; he may have felt that the offense was his bread and butter with defence as a side issue. Mark Tibbs knows the sport and has a lifetime in it (he's similar to Jason Rowland and Gary Lockett). I don't imagine Buglioni is cut out for the big leagues and he will do well to get to the next stage; I don't imagine his fans will turn on him for that though and if he does stick with a head up walk in style he'll earn a fair bit and pay for it later.

Tibbs can't turn water into wine. A true old saying which sums up the situation
"you can take the horse to the water, but you can't make it drink"

hurlock wrote:Tibbs can't turn water into wine. A true old saying which sums up the situation
"you can take the horse to the water, but you can't make it drink"

That's a good saying and no matter if Frank had the best will in the world with the best trainer in the world and the most time in the world he wouldn't be a Wilfred Beintez or Herol Graham type.

Anzi wrote:

Clint Magnum wrote:Who's getting riled up you plum?
I made a perfectly calm comment about all fighters and the fact that just because they know how to rectify a mistake doesn't mean they're physically capable. If you're indeed a pro coach that statement should be quite clear. Slips rolls and parries can be taught but to an outsider it may look like they're not as every fighter has limitations despite the best will of a trainer. Frank is not my "boy" and if you read the post correctly you'd see I was criticising him not defending him.

But you was over defensive about the Tibbs for some reason and then made a statement about everyone on the forum, you don't know everyone on the forum, so you can't comment what everyone knows about defensive techniques, what we do know however is that the fighter has defensive problems and he has had them since he started, that is the fact of the matter, PLUM lol.

I wasn't over defensive about Tibbs fella, I just defended him. I know the qualities the Tibbs possess as coaches and am fairly sure he's aware of Frank's limitations and has tried to work on them. He's not one of them coaches where the OP stated has lost the art of defence.
Hurlock sumed it up well, "you can take the horse to water but you can't make it drink."

palooka wrote:

hurlock wrote:Tibbs can't turn water into wine. A true old saying which sums up the situation
"you can take the horse to the water, but you can't make it drink"

That's a good saying and no matter if Frank had the best will in the world with the best trainer in the world and the most time in the world he wouldn't be a Wilfred Beintez or Herol Graham type.

Whilst no one is suggesting he'll ever be the next loche he should know how to defend himself. Surely that should be the first thing a guy lesrns

Maybe some of you guys can spend a few hours at the TKO Gym, and see how the real hard work goes on, then perhaps comment on any trainer that works hard with fighters that not many actually know about,

ERIC GUY wrote:Maybe some of you guys can spend a few hours at the TKO Gym, and see how the real hard work goes on, then perhaps comment on any trainer that works hard with fighters that not many actually know about,

Trainer is always first blamed

Some good posts here , i'm a friend of franks' and i've got to be honest I was gutted with the result albeit not stunned by it.. I have seen first hand the work being done at the tko and it is something that is being worked on ( defence) .The problem I think is that frank has been a come forward and throw combo sort or fighter , he actually had good upper body movement when throwing shots (head & body ) and got a decent amatuer record from this .. but when he came up against pure boxers he would normally outpointed , when fighting the weekend in an upright style behind 1/2 jabs I thought he played into his oppos hands. no hooks/uppercuts off the jab to stop the march forward , but too be fair I think he was told by his corner , keep it long , keep it long ... he's just not that fighter more ricky hatton than ricky burns ... by the way I really rate callum smith and kal yafai , thought id mention that as it seems people on here assume if you like 1 you have to pick holes in the other and vice versa ..

bullyarmy wrote:Some good posts here , i'm a friend of franks' and i've got to be honest I was gutted with the result albeit not stunned by it.. I have seen first hand the work being done at the tko and it is something that is being worked on ( defence) .The problem I think is that frank has been a come forward and throw combo sort or fighter , he actually had good upper body movement when throwing shots (head & body ) and got a decent amatuer record from this .. but when he came up against pure boxers he would normally outpointed , when fighting the weekend in an upright style behind 1/2 jabs I thought he played into his oppos hands. no hooks/uppercuts off the jab to stop the march forward , but too be fair I think he was told by his corner , keep it long , keep it long ... he's just not that fighter more ricky hatton than ricky burns ... by the way I really rate callum smith and kal yafai , thought id mention that as it seems people on here assume if you like 1 you have to pick holes in the other and vice versa ..

You're out of order. You can't claim to support one fighter at a weight and rate someone else. Ban him.

Had frank got up close with this geezer he'd of been stopped sooner. Sticking it on somebody in the ams for three rounds against opposition that are not fit a lot of times, don't mean you can do it at pro level.