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Was watching jimmy Vincent vs David Barnes today, jimmy turned him self from journeyman to brititish title level fighter, what about other journeyman who turned into contenders

Steve Robinson went from journeyman to World Champion totally bypassing contender status.

Chris Edwards

Carson jones

Brook really struggled with him

Johnny Nelson

Some famous ones.

Tony Booth - Journeyman to British title contender (although not a realistic chance at winning)
Buster Keaton - Journeyman to champion

Howard Clarke -
Journeyman to World title challenger

And one that is seemingly going unnoticed
Joey Vegas - Journeyman to WBC ranking (won the Silver title or something like that).

Powderpuff
I hope that's a wind up.
Jones won 35 lost 10.
NABA Champ twice USBA Champ twice.
WBC Continental Champ.
Minor titles I know but please - journeyman ?

Stu,
Regarding Howard I see it slightly different mate.
When he got his chance he was 26-10.
After that he gained journeyman status for me.

What about willie warbaton after beating touted prospect Georgie Keene Saturday is this the start of a turn around for him,

No mate.
Keep it real.

Parson Cross wrote:Stu,
Regarding Howard I see it slightly different mate.
When he got his chance he was 26-10.
After that he gained journeyman status for me.

Again, depends on the definition of Journeyman - for me losing 10 from 36 is a journeyman, particularly when many of the of his defeats were to fighters not of British title level. He was never in the British top ten.

Yes, can call him an ambitious journeyman no doubting that, but he was never someone like a Frank Bulligoni, given top billing and the promoters blue eyed boy. Was often in the blue corner.

Beyond Vargas - he was an unambitious journeyman and, sorry to say, a glorified punch bag.

Parson Cross wrote:Powderpuff
I hope that's a wind up.
Jones won 35 lost 10.
NABA Champ twice USBA Champ twice.
WBC Continental Champ.
Minor titles I know but please - journeyman ?

Would agree here. Many of Jones' defeats were to world ranked fighters, let alone fighters who would be in the British top 10. Jones was possibly deserving of a top 10 spot at the time of the Brook fight.

Anthony Hanna

Sonny Boy Jaro count?
Gerpaul Valero is heading that way
Robinson Castellanos almost did it
Orlando Salido, Luis Alberto Lazarte, Manny Melchor, Gilberto Keb Baas

Freddie Pendleton.
Jon 'Buster' Keeton.
Chris Saunders.

steve robinson gets loads of name checks lately doesn't he?

Kelvin Seabrooks 21-13 when winning the title, lost in 5 rounds to Pat Cowdell here before winning a world title.

stevieb_8006 wrote:steve robinson gets loads of name checks lately doesn't he?

He does and if it prompts some of the newer boxing fans to have a look at him it's all good. What a fighter he became.

Old bones Ian wrote:Kelvin Seabrooks 21-13 when winning the title, lost in 5 rounds to Pat Cowdell here before winning a world title.

That's a really good name I'm sure I watched Kelvin give Orlando Canizales an argument (on TransWorld Sport) and he looked really classy.

World level

Dennis Andries, Jonny Nelson perhaps, Buster Drayton maybe

British level ,Henry Rhiney, Pat Thomas, Najib Daho, Tom Collins, Roy Gumbs

Is Stuey Hall pushing it a bit?

Buster Drayton was one of my favs, real toughman of the ring. A complete danger if he caught you with one of his wide swings, but could be outboxed.
Beat Duane Thomas who was 16-0 by 7th round KO, Clint Jackson 2nd round, Mark Kaylor 7th round and Jimmy Cable 1st round.
The knockout of Kaylor was brutal.

But at the same time lost on points to Kalambay, Holmes, Hutchings, Maldonado.
He always seemed to box with a smile on his face, looked like he was enjoying the fights. But you wouldn't want to catch one from him. A typical Philadelphia boxer. He learnt alot from being Marvin Haglers sparring partner of choice, he spent 4 years working with the middleweight champ. And you'd have to be tough to keep up with Marvin in sparring, the champion didn't hold back.

Life looks to of treated him well after retirement , he's a police officer in Philly now i think.

Drayton was tough as well, I think I remember watching him box Matthew Hilton for a title and it was absolutely brutal for 15 rounds, it doesn't get mentioned but that was some fight.

palooka wrote:Is Stuey Hall pushing it a bit?

Nope, good shout.

Freddie Pendleton had his share of early career losses, went on to win the IBF title.