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I've read lots of times on this forum that "Andrew Golota should dominate in a heavyweight division in his time" etc. But how exactly, according to you, his physical strength, condition, and technique abilities were good? What exactly means that he was very good, he should dominate, he had all tools? Imagine that Golota has no problem with his head - no disqualifications and no quitting; average stress on the ring (not being super-tense but not being super-relaxed and feeling like a fish in the water neither). The only things which could really say against him would be physical and technique factors like his condition, his chin, his defence, his style, his punch etc. Imagine that kind of Golota. Would he be a world champion? And how long? Who could he beat? Do you really believe that his abilities was good enough to beat e.g. Lennox Lewis? How much talent was wasted in this case?

I think Golota most definitely could've been a better fighter than he was. I don't know if he would've been an all time great or anything like that, but he definitely would have wins over Riddick Bowe and Michael Grant on his record if nothing else.

gilgamesh wrote:I think Golota most definitely could've been a better fighter than he was. I don't know if he would've been an all time great or anything like that, but he definitely would have wins over Riddick Bowe and Michael Grant on his record if nothing else.

Yes, that's obvious. I thought about sth more than that.

What psychic did he have a problem with? Uri Gellar?

BoxBuzz wrote:What psychic did he have a problem with? Uri Gellar?

You know I meant mental problems. Psychic is not a good adjective?

Psyche would be the term......however...I liked it...because I would guess that Golata had psychic abilities, he had no trouble locating and reading Bowe's Crystal Balls.

Duch wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:What psychic did he have a problem with? Uri Gellar?

You know I meant mental problems. Psychic is not a good adjective?

Psychological problems, in this case, I believe is the term you're looking for.

A psychic is someone who can read minds and stuff like that. Which is why Buzz is yanking your chain about it, as he's prone to doing.

Now Bobber....I didn't come here to be made sport of.

I do not think he would of been as memorable without his crazy antics,

He didn't go nuts against Lewis.... he got demolished by the better man.

Andrew Golota without psychological problems probably beats Lennox Lewis without arms. Imagine that.

He certainly did have some problems. Even early in his career, there were sings. He bit one guy, and for no reason headbutted Darnell Nicholson.

He should have had a better career, but he wasn't as good as Lewis, Bowe, or Holyfield.
The Grant fight could have gone his way if he didn't quit for no reason.

He had good power, some boxing ability and was quicker than he looked.

He did have some bad luck late in his career. He probably should have got the decision vs Ruiz. The Byrd fight could have gone his way as well. He gets the decison in either of those fights and gets a paper title, and people wouldn't think as badly about him.

Ambling Alp II wrote:He certainly did have some problems. Even early in his career, there were sings. He bit one guy, and for no reason headbutted Darnell Nicholson.

He should have had a better career, but he wasn't as good as Lewis, Bowe, or Holyfield.
The Grant fight could have gone his way if he didn't quit for no reason.

He had good power, some boxing ability and was quicker than he looked.

He did have some bad luck late in his career. He probably should have got the decision vs Ruiz. The Byrd fight could have gone his way as well. He gets the decison in either of those fights and gets a paper title, and people wouldn't think as badly about him.

He beat Byrd and Ruiz, IMO.

And he proved he was better than Bowe. His head definitely held him back.

Jaywheel wrote:Andrew Golota without psychological problems probably beats Lennox Lewis without arms. Imagine that.

I'm trying.


It's not working, I still have Lewis winning, somehow. I'm not getting a totally clear vision, but I think it involves testicles and a fan man. I can't tell you anymore than that. I must lay down now, I'm psychically spent.

@punchout

That was clearly a fading/faded Bowe

No Tomorrow wrote:@punchout

That was clearly a fading/faded Bowe

Bowe was still a young fighter at this point, 28 or 29.
Maybe he just preferred his burgers to training?

Dude age has nothing to do with it. When a guy is noticeably slurring his speech. I think it's safe to say his better days are behind him

A huge part of why Golota was effective against Bowe was the many low blows. That to some extent kept Bowe from fighting as well as he could have.

Ambling Alp II wrote:A huge part of why Golota was effective against Bowe was the many low blows. That to some extent kept Bowe from fighting as well as he could have.

The Low blows didn't start happening until a few rounds had passed. Golota was kicking his ass from the start.

@gilgamesh.....agreed, Golota's people were absolutely furious and astonished with him because he was bossing things without needing to hit low/late and fight dirty. It was weird in the first fight and then he did it all over again; nobody really has got close to understanding why he did this.

Bodyshot3 wrote:@gilgamesh.....agreed, Golota's people were absolutely furious and astonished with him because he was bossing things without needing to hit low/late and fight dirty. It was weird in the first fight and then he did it all over again; nobody really has got close to understanding why he did this.

Even Riddick Bowe himself said "He definitely could've won those fights, but because he's an IDIOT he got himself DQ'd twice"

Bodyshot3 wrote:@gilgamesh.....agreed, Golota's people were absolutely furious and astonished with him because he was bossing things without needing to hit low/late and fight dirty. It was weird in the first fight and then he did it all over again; nobody really has got close to understanding why he did this.

Probably because he was frustrated that he could not knock him out.

Well, at least he would have won Bowe. Lewis would have been too much for him anyway. It's difficult to say about his title chances. He objectively was able to do that even in the reality, after Tyson fiasco, he was well-prepared against Ruiz and Byrd especially, but he was robbed.

He dominated Bowe twice. Especially the second fight. Why the referee did not stop it (giving Golota a TKO win) is beyond me. He was just beating the dog crap out of him, but the referee wouldn't do anything. This, would frustrate any boxer I would think, so Golota started low blowing him and the referee then stopped it. Was nothing but a biased referee IMHO.

Golota, was certainly better than Tommy Morrison and other "white hopes" that was around in the 90s. Just how good he could have been will always be in question.

He certainly was robbed (imho) in the Byrd fight, and the Ruiz fight was so ugly you could have argued that Golota should have gotten the nod.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑24 Apr 2014, 16:43

Ambling Alp II wrote:A huge part of why Golota was effective against Bowe was the many low blows. That to some extent kept Bowe from fighting as well as he could have.

The Low blows didn't start happening until a few rounds had passed. Golota was kicking his ass from the start.

i agree, pretty funny revisionism there, golota was getting the better of things plain and simple. strange strange man and it showed in him blowing those fights