BoxRec

Been to a few small venue boxing and watching a few trainers (Ryan Rhodes + Jamie Moore ) and a was really impressed we how much they expressed their feelings as well as tackticks they have been there and done it themselves both dug deep when needed and both been massive underdogs in fights and come through. It must be a massive boost when ya got the likes of them 2 warriors feeding ya info no wonder Curtis woodhouse did a job no one expected him too when ya got a former world title challenger and 2 time British champ feeding ya knowledge. a love a good boxing story and if ya can't be a world champ why not try and train one

By the way a just watched there fight again and wow!!! What a battle

You kind of have to know what do in order to tell what to do. Sometimes it depends on what sort of fighter they was.a good cornerman is different to a coach, for example dean powell was great @ giving fighters great advice & what they need to do, over plenty of great coaches.9 times out of 10 fighters are in controll of there own deshiny & as long as the are fit for action, a good cornerman is paramount

There was a similar discussion on a greyhound training forum I visit.

Joe Gallagher and Danny Vaughan 2 young ish
Coaches keep knocking out champions, both never boxed pro
But been around boxing and good boxing people all there lives, so would of seen
And heard the correct information , joe's was around Phil Martin and jimmy Egan when learning his trade, and danny Would of Learnt well from George Vaughan,

Sklar wrote:There was a similar discussion on a greyhound training forum I visit.

Ray Arcel, Eddie Futch and Gil Clancy are three of the best ever and I don't believe any of them were pros. Naseem Richardson too maybe?

Brian Hughes is an example from the UK, did Brendan Ingle ever box pro?

But is has to be said they are the exceptions rather than the rule.

Emanuel Steward was a good amateur but never boxed professionally.

crusader wrote:Emanuel Steward was a good amateur but never boxed professionally.

Yes, Futch was apparently a very good amateur too.

J-C wrote:Ray Arcel, Eddie Futch and Gil Clancy are three of the best ever and I don't believe any of them were pros. Naseem Richardson too maybe?

Brian Hughes is an example from the UK, did Brendan Ingle ever box pro?

But is has to be said they are the exceptions rather than the rule.

Brendan Ingle boxed pro

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer

I don't think a very good trainer needs to have been able to fight at all - not even amateur. Some people love the sport and know all about it and are good teachers and they like to learn new things.

You mean like Angelo Dundee ? - he never boxed a kipper and he did alright as a trainer.

palooka wrote:

J-C wrote:Ray Arcel, Eddie Futch and Gil Clancy are three of the best ever and I don't believe any of them were pros. Naseem Richardson too maybe?

Brian Hughes is an example from the UK, did Brendan Ingle ever box pro?

But is has to be said they are the exceptions rather than the rule.

Brendan Ingle boxed pro

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer

Interesting, never would have thought he was a middleweight.

Sklar wrote:There was a similar discussion on a greyhound training forum I visit.

Adam booth wasn't a pro was he???? Joe Gallagher.... Dean Powell.....the list goes on and on.

I think that kind of thinking comes from the slightly bitter old guard. the sort that trot out likes like "he's never had a fight in his life....." in order to dismiss some1s opinion.

stevieb_8006 wrote:Adam booth wasn't a pro was he???? Joe Gallagher.... Dean Powell.....the list goes on and on.

Booth apparently was going to turn pro with Micky Duff but an injury stopped it happening, anyone know anything about his am career?

You don't have to have been a pro as the examples given have shown.
However being a pro will give you an excellent grounding and more importantly people who become trainers need to have had significant experience within the game.
It seems more than in other sports that people straight out of the pub seem to believe they can be a boxer or a trainer.

There are so many qualities a good trainer must have without needing to have boxed professionally. Boxers won't only learn from their coach, they'll talk to many different people within their gym environment and when they're out sparring.

A trainer must be humble enough to accept advice from his piers, learn with the fighters he trains and not think that just because he has been a top pro, that he knows everything already.

J-C wrote:

palooka wrote:

J-C wrote:Ray Arcel, Eddie Futch and Gil Clancy are three of the best ever and I don't believe any of them were pros. Naseem Richardson too maybe?

Brian Hughes is an example from the UK, did Brendan Ingle ever box pro?

But is has to be said they are the exceptions rather than the rule.

Brendan Ingle boxed pro

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer

Interesting, never would have thought he was a middleweight.

That was the first thing that i thought. I suppose back in the 70's boxers fought at their walk around weights rather than draining dramatically like they do today.

I think being an ex pro is a shorter journey to becoming a good trainer as you have a lot of first hand experience but if you put in the years and live in the gym, at fights and with boxers a non-boxer can get there too.

Depends who you ask, some people think you need to be an ex pro to have an opinion on boxing never mind let loose as a trainer.