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Jack the butcher Reiss should be banned from refereeing boxing, god knows how his eccentric and dangerous behavior gets overlooked so often, he must have friends in high places for sure.

His stoppage in the Arreola fight was just the latest example of his bizzare & erratic behavior - the stretched out first count, giving the concussed ultra brave fighter another chance to walk it some serious fire power, then the 2nd count, when Arreola got up and could barely walk, instead of asking him to walk forward, so he'd see his legs were gone, he asks "are you sure you can defend yourself ? " As if he'd say "No ref, actually I'm completely gone"

Just lucky the sledge hammer blows of Stiverne didn't really land, before the bleeding obvious was apparent.

A few years back ( I'll try to find the thread ) he nearly had a fighter killed in a lighter weight title fight, one of the most brutal cases of referee incompetence I'd ever seen - and he;d done it before - I thought he was banned after that...but looked up who the head case referee in the last Andre Ward fight was....acting bizzarely after getting hit in the fight ( if only it had been much harder ) ...sure enough it's Jack The Butcher Reiss.

This incompetent cock head needs banning

Yet Another British referees stops a contest before a fighter gets hurt and he is corrupt!! Bloody armchair refs does my bleeding head in.

I hear Reiss might referee Froch-Groves II

bobmee wrote:I hear Reiss might referee Froch-Groves II

Shocking, he should be banned from entering the UK.

This was the last time he surfaced,,,

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... jack+reiss

I watched it this morning and personally thought it was a good stoppage. He gave Arreola every chance and rightly so it was a world title fight.

The Cardenas-Reyes fight was horrible viewing. Jim Watt & Barry McGuigan both commented that Reiss should never be allowed in a ring as referee again. I had that whole card on tape a few years back. The fight in question is on YouTube with Spanish commentary.

As for Arreola - Stiverne: poor Chris was done after the first knockdown and after the second it was painfully obvious he could barely stand. Stiverne can seriously crack too; to let it go whilst Arreola was in that state was dangerous IMO. "The Butcher" Reiss strikes again.

Reiss was in a no-win situation. If he stopped it after the first knockdown every Stiverne-hater would be screaming "FIX!" as some still did after the actual stoppage.

It would have been a bad call to stop it after the first knockdown. In my opinion he should've stepped in after the second knockdown though, as Chris was clearly gone and staggering as he tried to get up.

Should have stopped it at the second knockdown, easy and obvious to see. Also, each time, he was giving Arreola about 20 seconds to recover which is actually totally unfair to Stiverne and against the rules of boxing. But apart from that he looks a great ref......

TheCobra wrote:Should have stopped it at the second knockdown, easy and obvious to see. Also, each time, he was giving Arreola about 20 seconds to recover which is actually totally unfair to Stiverne and against the rules of boxing. But apart from that he looks a great ref......

Agreed.

I had no big issue with the 1st knockdown, it was dubious, but like has been said it's a big fight, every chance etc - but the 2nd knockdown showed a shocking level of ineptitude: Chris was clearly gone, but was given no protection by the ref at all.

Even then, while I found it shocking, I wouldn't have bothered posting a thread about it. It was only when I realised it was this idiot with previous, and the fact he has clearly learned nothing over the years, that I thought he needed calling out for the useless & dangerous referee he clearly is.

He likes the sound of his own voice a little too much but he is neither useless nor dangerous IMO.

It was a bit too late agreed but call me old fashioned (or a blood thirsty savage) but i would rather see fighters given every chance to recover rather than being stopped too early especially in world title fights.

Lets not forget either arreolla was actually winning the fight at the time.

See if the referee is being criticised for letting it go on too long, why are the corner not being criticised for failing to throw in the towel?

Clint Magnum wrote:He likes the sound of his own voice a little too much but he is neither useless nor dangerous IMO.

Watch the Cardenas vs Reyes fight then tell me if you think he is dangerous or not.

Emmseegee wrote:See if the referee is being criticised for letting it go on too long, why are the corner not being criticised for failing to throw in the towel?

This is a good point, corners don't get nearly enough criticism for letting fights go on too long. Time & time again we've seen corners refuse to protect their fighters & do nothing while they get beaten to a pulp - how many times do badly hurt fighters actually manage to land that 'hail mary' shot & turn things around? It's certainly not often. The referee obviously needs to be criticised in these circumstances as well, but the corner should take an equal share of the blame imo.

The corner should take more blame than the referee when a fighter is taking a one sided beating as they should know what their man is capable of and should see the signs that he is on his way out.

Most corners probably fear the sack too much to pull their fighters out!

Edit: although i do agree that the referee deserves blame if he is not doing his job!

I get the point about the corners. But then again, shouldn't they be able to trust a referee to look into their fighters eyes and make that judgement. You can certainly see a case for a corner thinking 'he must be fit to continue' if the referee is looking directly at their fighter and deeming him fit to continue.

Say a fighter has finished a round, gone back to his corner and they see that he doesn't have much left but give him a chance at the start of the next - i see that as far more the corners responsibility if he then starts being mauled as they know he has nothing left to give. In the case of a KD, I personally would have to trust the referee (as he is in the best position to make the call). Though if I was a corner in any future Reiss fights, I would definitely take what he says with a large pinch of salt.

DMA1987 wrote:I get the point about the corners. But then again, shouldn't they be able to trust a referee to look into their fighters eyes and make that judgement. You can certainly see a case for a corner thinking 'he must be fit to continue' if the referee is looking directly at their fighter and deeming him fit to continue.

Say a fighter has finished a round, gone back to his corner and they see that he doesn't have much left but give him a chance at the start of the next - i see that as far more the corners responsibility if he then starts being mauled as they know he has nothing left to give. In the case of a KD, I personally would have to trust the referee (as he is in the best position to make the call). Though if I was a corner in any future Reiss fights, I would definitely take what he says with a large pinch of salt.

Exactly what happened in Matthyse's last fight against Molina, Molina was completely out of it at the end of the 10th (?) but the corner still sent him out for the next round & he was brutally stopped about 25 seconds later. The corner had a whole minute to check their fighter was ok, it was obvious even watching on TV that Molina was done & should never have been sent back out. That's the kind of instance where I definitely blame the corner more than the referee.

black panther wrote:

Clint Magnum wrote:He likes the sound of his own voice a little too much but he is neither useless nor dangerous IMO.

Watch the Cardenas vs Reyes fight then tell me if you think he is dangerous or not.

I've seen the fight, but thanks for telling me what I should do.

Clint Magnum wrote:

black panther wrote:

Clint Magnum wrote:He likes the sound of his own voice a little too much but he is neither useless nor dangerous IMO.

Watch the Cardenas vs Reyes fight then tell me if you think he is dangerous or not.

I've seen the fight, but thanks for telling me what I should do.

And did you really think that was an okay performance by the referee? I can't imagine any sane person thinking that fight should have gone on like it did. It was diabolical.

And I agree with everyone saying that the corner needs to look out for their fighters, of course.

Though Chris was unlucky enough to have Dan Goosen in his corner on Sat night, who sent out his fighter John Molina a couple of weeks ago for a certain knock out, arguing with the doctor to let his clearly finished fighter go out for another battering.

Boxerbeetle123 wrote:

DMA1987 wrote:I get the point about the corners. But then again, shouldn't they be able to trust a referee to look into their fighters eyes and make that judgement. You can certainly see a case for a corner thinking 'he must be fit to continue' if the referee is looking directly at their fighter and deeming him fit to continue.

Say a fighter has finished a round, gone back to his corner and they see that he doesn't have much left but give him a chance at the start of the next - i see that as far more the corners responsibility if he then starts being mauled as they know he has nothing left to give. In the case of a KD, I personally would have to trust the referee (as he is in the best position to make the call). Though if I was a corner in any future Reiss fights, I would definitely take what he says with a large pinch of salt.

Exactly what happened in Matthyse's last fight against Molina, Molina was completely out of it at the end of the 10th (?) but the corner still sent him out for the next round & he was brutally stopped about 25 seconds later. The corner had a whole minute to check their fighter was ok, it was obvious even watching on TV that Molina was done & should never have been sent back out. That's the kind of instance where I definitely blame the corner more than the referee.

I agree

Some considered Reiss' previous televised stoppage to be premature (Josesito Lopez vs Martinez)...I considered it spot on. Martinez turned his back and has not in any position to defend himself...forefitted the fight (Weiss' words).

Given it was the first time Martinez was in trouble....I do wonder what Weiss' take is on Howard Foster's stoppage. Although Groves was defending himself.

Tough job being a ref. Take the classic war which was Castillo v Corrales.

If that fight had been in the UK Corrales would have been stopped at the first knockdown in the fights final round.

Corralles was spent. After the second knockdown there is not really any argument left for not stopping the fight.

The ref let's it go on and Corrales stops him within the next 30 secs and the legendary fight is born.

With a UK ref that legendary fight never happens and we get a Corrales complaining that he never got the chance to show what he had left.

Tough job. There are many example where a great fight would never have happened with a British ref.

Although to buck the trend IJL let Shannon Briggs take a disgusting beating against Vitali. That however was no classic.

Sounds like Eddie Hearn agrees with the topic title - Sky are reporting he's vetoed Reiss reffing Froch vs Groves due to his performance in the Arreola fight.