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seen this on a few records ,was this the first world title, why did it end in wartime ?

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Alba wrote:seen this on a few records ,was this the first world title

No. There are other World titles (more recognised) that predate it. The New York State Athletic Commission World title (which later became the WBC World Title) for a prime example. Also the National Boxing Association (which later became the WBA Title) is also better recognised. They were the mean two World titles for decades.

Alba wrote:why did it end in wartime ?

Because of the expansion and rebranding of the WBC & the WBA I would imagine that would have been the final nail in the coffin for it. Though I don't even recall ever reading that the IBU title was ever regarded as a recognised World Champion.

By the late 30's the IBU was run by slightly right wing people, it became the APPE who had Vittorio Mussolini as its head, but because of a failed attempt of world domination by his father and friends, notibly Hitler. The APPE was ended.

Another victory for democracy!! Luckily we now have the WBA, WBC leading the way.

Old bones Ian wrote:By the late 30's the IBU was run by slightly right wing people, it became the APPE who had Vittorio Mussolini as its head, but because of a failed attempt of world domination by his father and friends, notibly Hitler. The APPE was ended.

Another victory for democracy!! Luckily we now have the WBA, WBC leading the way.

APPE ?

As I recall the IBU was an early attempt by British boxing interests to form a truly inter-continental boxing governing body, but it was rejected by certain politicians in New York who were afraid of losing their hold on the sport in America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Boxing_Union

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associazio ... ca_Europea

Crease wrote:

Alba wrote:seen this on a few records ,was this the first world title

No. There are other World titles (more recognised) that predate it. The New York State Athletic Commission World title (which later became the WBC World Title) for a prime example. Also the National Boxing Association (which later became the WBA Title) is also better recognised. They were the mean two World titles for decades.

Alba wrote:why did it end in wartime ?

Because of the expansion and rebranding of the WBC & the WBA I would imagine that would have been the final nail in the coffin for it. Though I don't even recall ever reading that the IBU title was ever regarded as a recognised World Champion.

were did the NBA operate from?

According to the NY Evening World and other papers of the day, delegates from 17 states meeting at the International Sporting Club on West 42nd Street in New York on January 12, 1921 elected Walter H. Liginger of Milwaukee, WI the first president of the National Boxing Association of the United States. Within days the then head of the New York State Boxing Commission announced his intention to decline the invitation to join the NBA.

Tex Rickard, king of boxing promoters, thumbed his nose at the new organisation when it declared that the top price for a seat at any boxing event could be no more than $15.

Crease wrote:

Alba wrote:seen this on a few records ,was this the first world title

No. There are other World titles (more recognised) that predate it. The New York State Athletic Commission World title (which later became the WBC World Title) for a prime example. Also the National Boxing Association (which later became the WBA Title) is also better recognised. They were the mean two World titles for decades.

Alba wrote:why did it end in wartime ?

Because of the expansion and rebranding of the WBC & the WBA I would imagine that would have been the final nail in the coffin for it. Though I don't even recall ever reading that the IBU title was ever regarded as a recognised World Champion.

so the IBU did offer world titles, however people now (for wahtever reason) dont recognise it as a world title ?is that right

In those days American boxers dominated the sport and US media, mainly newspapers, said who the champions were. European opinion had very little impact on this side of the pond. I believe at one point the IBU considered Sam Langford the heavyweight champion because of Jack Johnson's refusal to defend against him.

Alba wrote:were did the NBA operate from?

It was formed in New Jersey. But it's World title fights too place all throughout the States of America... Philaldephia, Detroit, etc...

In comparison the NYSAC World Title had the majority (If not, all) it's fights in Madison Square Garden.

Alba wrote:so the IBU did offer world titles, however people now (for whatever reason) don't recognise it as a world title ?is that right

Yes. Even back in the decades between 1900s-60s many boxing people weren't even aware that there was two World titles floating about at the same time. The boxing pundits who did know about it certainly did not discuss it.

Even today you hear old-timers reminiscing of "the old days when there was One World Champion" - it's a fallacy.

Only now do we label the old World Titles as the "NBA World Title" & the "NYSAC World Title" - and that is only done so that we can differentiate between them. They weren't called that back in the old days, both belts were just known as "the world championship".

At least with the rebranding, things are now more organised and structured.