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Other than Tyson v Douglas what are some of the biggest upsets? Lewis v Rahman?

Schmeling vs. Louis(1st fight)
Holyfield vs. Tyson(1st fight)
Ali vs Foreman
Foreman vs Moorer
Braddock vs. M.Baer
Turpin vs. Robinson(1st fight)
Norton vs. Ali(1st fight)
Tarver vs. Jones Jr.(2nd fight)
DeJesus vs. Duran(1st fight)
Barkley vs. Hearns(1st fight)

Certainly can't forget Clay-Liston(1st fight)which I did!

Laing/Duran & Fernandez/Arguello were as big as any.

Honeyghan-Curry

Frankie Warren vs Julio Cesar Chavez(1st fight)was also quite an upset!

warriorpoet wrote:Frankie Warren vs Julio Cesar Chavez(1st fight)was also quite an upset!

frankie randall my goodman

ade the grenade wrote:Other than Tyson v Douglas what are some of the biggest upsets? Lewis v Rahman?

Max Baer vs James Braddock
George Foreman vs Michael Moorer
Evander Holyfield vs Mike Tyson I
Julio Cesar Chavez vs Frankie Randall I

stevedoc wrote:

warriorpoet wrote:Frankie Warren vs Julio Cesar Chavez(1st fight)was also quite an upset!

frankie randall my goodman

I stand corrected,it was Frankie Randall.Thank you Steve,my good man.

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Palomino-Stracey
Magri-Diaz

The biggest upsets that I have seen in my time (the past 10-15 years) are:

Mikkel Kessler beating Markus Beyer by KO in Round 3
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F0YBZUhJf4)

I had Beyer as a strong favourite for the fight. I suspected that Mikkel's physicality would give Beyer a tough night and that Mikkel would give a good account of himself. But a good account of himself, but fall short to Beyer. But Beyer was a seasoned Champion who was dominant in his weight class (he avenged his one loss in six years) and I expected him to win by Unanimous Decision. But when Kessler defeated him him and the sheer manner of his victory was a big shock to me (and most of us who were predicting a Bayer victory over in The Current Scene).

Juan Manuel Marquez beating Manny Pacquaio by KO in Round 6
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_ktkzvTqo0)

It was well publicised just how close the three previous meetings between them were. I was predicting a Pacquaio points victory... But then BOOM! A great fighter like Manny was put flat on his face as he once did to others... It was definitely a shocker in terms of the manner of the victory.

And a couple more to a lesser degree:

Martin Rogan outpointing Audley Harrison.
David Haye nearly toppling the giant on his way to a points victory.

Not the biggest upset but Hurricane carter icing Emile Griffith was pretty big.

Historical upsets....

Corbett KO21 Sullivan, 1892, was considered a 'national calamity' as no one thought Sullivan, even in his overweight/inactive state could ever possibly lose to anyone.

Braddock/Baer, was considered 'the greatest upset since Sullivan/Corbett', and for good reason; Baer had just demolished Carnera and had also flattened Schmeling and though he was more clown than killer, was arguably the greatest puncher of the early 20th century.

Among the lower weights....

I would say that Duran/Hearns was an upset, in the sense, that NOBODY would have ever thought in a million years that Duran would of gotten knocked out cold by Hearns, considering Duran had defeated Leonard and had went a full fifteen with Hagler.

Crease wrote:The biggest upsets that I have seen in my time (the past 10-15 years) are:

Mikkel Kessler beating Markus Beyer by KO in Round 3
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F0YBZUhJf4)

I had Beyer as a strong favourite for the fight. I suspected that Mikkel's physicality would give Beyer a tough night and that Mikkel would give a good account of himself. But a good account of himself, but fall short to Beyer. But Beyer was a seasoned Champion who was dominant in his weight class (he avenged his one loss in six years) and I expected him to win by Unanimous Decision. But when Kessler defeated him him and the sheer manner of his victory was a big shock to me (and most of us who were predicting a Bayer victory over in The Current Scene).

Wow, really? Beyer was a borderline paper champion who was, at best, the third best super middleweight belt holder at the time, behind Joe Calzaghe and Kessler, who was WBA titlist. You are absolutely the first person I've seen say they thought Beyer would win this fight. Having watched both fight several times before this bout, I expected an easy Kessler KO, which is what happened. Maybe I'm off base, but I have to think the odds at the time of fight were heavily weighted toward Kessler

Hearns & Kessler were both favored in those fights.

giacomino wrote:Wow, really? Beyer was a borderline paper champion

:??

Beyer was a three time World Champion at his weight. He was (apart from one loss, when he avenged) unbeaten in six and a half years going in to the Kessler fight, and had been the WBC Champion for three years. Beyer was an active World Champion, I respected him in his day.

giacomino wrote:You are absolutely the first person I've seen say they thought Beyer would win this fight.

You should've been around The Current Scene in the lead up to this fight, most people were calling it for Beyer - as I was. But we got it wrong.

ade the grenade wrote:Other than Tyson v Douglas what are some of the biggest upsets? Lewis v Rahman?

Has to be up there, although to be fair a lot of people called that Lewis was looking out of shape and unfocused beforehand.

Anyone remember someone in the current scene who said something like 'Rahman would have won the rematch if he hadn't chosen the arm sticking out defence'? Possibly the stupidest post I've ever read.

Crease wrote:

giacomino wrote:Wow, really? Beyer was a borderline paper champion

:??

Beyer was a three time World Champion at his weight. He was (apart from one loss, when he avenged) unbeaten in six and a half years going in to the Kessler fight, and had been the WBC Champion for three years. Beyer was an active World Champion, I respected him in his day.

giacomino wrote:You are absolutely the first person I've seen say they thought Beyer would win this fight.

You should've been around The Current Scene in the lead up to this fight, most people were calling it for Beyer - as I was. But we got it wrong.

A paper champion, IMO, is a belt holder who is not the best in his division but holds an alphabet belt and never fights the division's top fighter. IMO he was never more than an alphabet belt holder. Joe C, IMO, was the World Champion at 168, not Beyer. Beyer was a three-time belt holder, not a three-time World Champion, any more than Jorge Acre was a "World Champion" for beating set-up opponent Angky Angkotta twice in a year-and-a-half for 115- and 118-pound belts. Also, One of Beyer's wins for a belt was over Lucas at home, which was BS.

There could be some argument made at the time that Beyer would last the distance and lose a decision to Kessler, but am surprised the Current Scene crowd thought Beyer would win. Even if that was the consensus, was the division's #2 beating the division #3 (or visa versa) one of the "Biggest upsets outside of Tyson v Douglas?"

giacomino wrote:

Crease wrote:

giacomino wrote:Wow, really? Beyer was a borderline paper champion

:??

Beyer was a three time World Champion at his weight. He was (apart from one loss, when he avenged) unbeaten in six and a half years going in to the Kessler fight, and had been the WBC Champion for three years. Beyer was an active World Champion, I respected him in his day.

giacomino wrote:You are absolutely the first person I've seen say they thought Beyer would win this fight.

You should've been around The Current Scene in the lead up to this fight, most people were calling it for Beyer - as I was. But we got it wrong.

A paper champion, IMO, is a belt holder who is not the best in his division but holds an alphabet belt and never fights the division's top fighter. IMO he was never more than an alphabet belt holder. Joe C, IMO, was the World Champion at 168, not Beyer. Beyer was a three-time belt holder, not a three-time World Champion, any more than Jorge Acre was a "World Champion" for beating set-up opponent Angky Angkotta twice in a year-and-a-half for 115- and 118-pound belts. Also, One of Beyer's wins for a belt was over Lucas at home, which was BS.

There could be some argument made at the time that Beyer would last the distance and lose a decision to Kessler, but am surprised the Current Scene crowd thought Beyer would win. Even if that was the consensus, was the division's #2 beating the division #3 (or visa versa) one of the "Biggest upsets outside of Tyson v Douglas?"

I must not have participated in that topic, but I for one would have been truly shocked if Beyer had beaten Kessler. Beyer (WBC) and Kessler (WBA) were both titlists, as was Calzaghe (WBO) and Lacy (IBF) - there was no real 'champion' at 168lb, at least not in the traditional sense.

Beyer certainly had the edge in experience over Kessler, but he won his second title via robbery over Eric Lucas, who Kessler destroyed in a one-sided fight, though Lucas was past his best by then. Beyer was lucky to have escaped with a DQ win against Danny Green, then lost to a mediocre fighter in Sanavia, which he avenged by KO, winning the title for the third time. He won a narrow decision over a lethargic Danny Green then won two more title defences against ordinary opponents and had a technical draw with Bika.

Kessler was bigger, younger, faster, more powerful and undefeated. He had destroyed the WBA champ Siaca (who had never before been stopped) and then travelled to Australia and won a wide decision over the former-champ Anthony Mundine before his demolition of Lucas. Beyer certainly had the edge in experience, but I saw him as a mediocre champion on the way out and Kessler as a good, maybe great, new champion.

I remember that Beyer-Lucas fight because it was a crime to steal a belt from such a hard-working, albeit limited fighter like Lucas. That was during a bad era where German promoters seemed to have the scorecards filled out in advance against the out-of-town fighters (although the EU level Sanavia got a SD there against Beyer). Seems like Texas and a few other places have replaced Germany at the head of the list for places where bad decisions are most common

I think Tyson vs. Douglas is the biggest upset of all.

Most recently, Juan Manuel Marquez knocking out Pac man.

coreygardner wrote:I think Tyson vs. Douglas is the biggest upset of all.

Most recently, Juan Manuel Marquez knocking out Pac man.

I agree about Douglas over Tyson,not just that he beat him but that he tko'd him!I don't think Hearns beating Duran was an upset but I don't think anyone thought he'd flatten Duran in round 2!

warriorpoet wrote:

coreygardner wrote:I think Tyson vs. Douglas is the biggest upset of all.

Most recently, Juan Manuel Marquez knocking out Pac man.

I agree with you about Douglas over Tyson,not just that he beat Tyson but that he tko'd him!I don't think Hearns beating Duran was an upset but I don't think anyone thought he'd flatten Duran in round 2,although I heard Hearns predicted it!

It's easy for the forum to say "I knew that Kessler would beat him" when it's already happened... Just sayin'

giacomino wrote:

Crease wrote:The biggest upsets that I have seen in my time (the past 10-15 years) are:

Mikkel Kessler beating Markus Beyer by KO in Round 3
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F0YBZUhJf4)

I had Beyer as a strong favourite for the fight. I suspected that Mikkel's physicality would give Beyer a tough night and that Mikkel would give a good account of himself. But a good account of himself, but fall short to Beyer. But Beyer was a seasoned Champion who was dominant in his weight class (he avenged his one loss in six years) and I expected him to win by Unanimous Decision. But when Kessler defeated him him and the sheer manner of his victory was a big shock to me (and most of us who were predicting a Bayer victory over in The Current Scene).

Wow, really? Beyer was a borderline paper champion who was, at best, the third best super middleweight belt holder at the time, behind Joe Calzaghe and Kessler, who was WBA titlist. You are absolutely the first person I've seen say they thought Beyer would win this fight. Having watched both fight several times before this bout, I expected an easy Kessler KO, which is what happened. Maybe I'm off base, but I have to think the odds at the time of fight were heavily weighted toward Kessler

He left me scratching my head a bit with these particular picks. I don't see Kessler over Beyer and Marquez over Pacquiao as upsets even, much less biggest upsets of all time.