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colin jones
Posted: 22 May 2004, 18:19
by hitman_hatton1
lets have a blast from the past
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i wanna find out a bit more about colin jones after watching his excellent fight with don curry for 3 and a bit rds until it was cruelly stopped :x
so lets have some of ya memories

and his best fights

u know the drill lets be having ya

Re: colin jones
Posted: 22 May 2004, 18:28
by bennie
hitman_hatton1 wrote:lets have a blast from the past
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i wanna find out a bit more about colin jones after watching his excellent fight with don curry for 3 and a bit rds until it was cruelly stopped :x
so lets have some of ya memories

and his best fights

u know the drill lets be having ya

Jones was a monster. A real monster. Many an opponent had his eyes rolled by Jones' punches, including the brilliant Kirkland Laing (twice). The Welshman was desperately unlucky not to win the WBC welterweight title against Milton McCrory in 1983. The first fight was a draw, and the second, in the blazing Nevada sun that later accounted for Barry McGuigan, was a robbery in my opinion (McCrory got it).
Jones was superb both times.
Forget the Curry fight. Colin was over the hill by then (the McCrory fights had taken a lot out of him) and Curry at his peak. Also, Jones suffered the nose injury that cost him the fight in a street brawl several weeks earlier when he was nutted (I hate to think what Jones did to the guy afterwards). The scar tissue opened up at the hands of Curry's lightning fists and it was all over before it had really begun. He retired afterwards and showed class to stay away. He comes across as a warm guy on Sky-TV nowadays, but in his fighting days was an iceman. A cold-blooded killer.
Posted: 22 May 2004, 18:55
by hitman_hatton1
nice 1 bennie
i've just ordered a fight video of his 2 fights with milton mccrory so i look forward to checking those out.
i got a fight video just recently and a colin jones fight was tacked on the end of it to fill out the tape. and it was a 3rd win over a guy called clement Tshinza. he does next to nothing in the first few rds, until he hurts the guy with a jab and turns into a bloody monster and proceeds to beat the crap out of this poor bloke

it just comes out of nowhere thats what makes it so suprising.
Posted: 22 May 2004, 19:00
by bennie
hitman_hatton1 wrote:nice 1 bennie
i've just ordered a fight video of his 2 fights with milton mccrory so i look forward to checking those out.
i got a fight video just recently and a colin jones fight was tacked on the end of it to fill out the tape. and it was a 3rd win over a guy called clement Tshinza. he does next to nothing in the first few rds, until he hurts the guy with a jab and turns into a bloody monster and proceeds to beat the crap out of this poor bloke

it just comes out of nowhere thats what makes it so suprising.
Yeah, Jones stuck a nice thumb in his eye, and then opened up to stop him. As well as the McCrory fights, I recommend you get Jones winning the European title in Denmark against Hans Henrik Palm in 1982. Jones showed how you win a big title away from home. He brutalized the talented Dane.
Posted: 22 May 2004, 19:15
by hitman_hatton1
lovely thumb in the eye wasn't it
not too many british boxers go abroad to fight for a european title these days

actually thinking about it not many british boxers even fight for a european title these days.
i wanna get the 2 with kirkland lange as well

i c jones was diaqualified in one of his fights what was that for

Posted: 22 May 2004, 19:22
by bennie
hitman_hatton1 wrote:lovely thumb in the eye wasn't it
not too many british boxers go abroad to fight for a european title these days

actually thinking about it not many british boxers even fight for a european title these days.
i wanna get the 2 with kirkland lange as well

i c jones was diaqualified in one of his fights what was that for

Jones was disqualified against American Curtis Ramsey. He hit the American on the floor (well, more as he was going down) with a nothing shot, the American milked it, and Jones got disqualified by incompetent Welsh referee Adrian Morgan.
Posted: 22 May 2004, 19:26
by MightyWarrior
I think his nickname in Wales was Jones The Dig, because he was a gravedigger before he turned pro.
Quite a fitting occupation for the stone faced Welshman too.
He seemed to have a habit of not doing too much, then suddenly exploding to life and taking out his opponent with one punch.
Laing was dominating for 8 rounds in both fights, until he was taken out with one booming left hook, then the other time Jones took him out with a right hand. Kirk never knew what hit him.
I watched most of his fights after the first Laing encounter, and most of his early round knockouts are worth seeing, if you can get them.
Real highlight reel one punch KOs.
I thought he won the first MCrory fight if I remember, very unlucky. The 2nd was close again, and I think Colin was decked in the first round, which was a shocker, but he fought back well.
He was past it by the Curry fight, but if he coud've landed one big shot on the Texan he might have pulled off an upset - but Curry was really at his peak then, untouchable.
Jones called out Honeyghan after he won the world title, but nothing came of it.
Posted: 22 May 2004, 19:29
by bennie
Mickey Duff said in his autobiography that Jones would have beaten McCrory if he'd fought him in Britain, and I think he's right.
Posted: 22 May 2004, 19:34
by MightyWarrior
bennie wrote:Mickey Duff said in his autobiography that Jones would have beaten McCrory if he'd fought him in Britain, and I think he's right.
Definitely, don't think there would've been a rematch either.
Summer in Cardiff is a bit different from the Nevada desert.
The pale skinned Jones was sun burnt when he came out of the ring!
Posted: 23 May 2004, 05:18
by lamphey
For me, Jones would have taken both McCrory fights had they still been scheduled for 15 rounds.
He suffered from the then recent rule change, cutting title fights to 12 rounds.
We tend to think of him as a banger but he had decent Boxing skills as well. He won an ABA title and went to the Olympics at the age of 17!
Posted: 23 May 2004, 11:07
by KOJOE90
Didn't Colin Jones chin some big Rugby player a few years ago? I know nothing about Rugby but the name was something like Moryarty???
I seem to recall reading that like Hearns and Hamed Colin was not know as a puncher in the Amatuers. Is this correct?
Have not watched Curry V Jones in years, but I do remember that bad cut across the bridge of the nose, I shall have to dig out the tape from my collection.
Posted: 23 May 2004, 15:29
by stujones
KOJOE90 wrote:Didn't Colin Jones chin some big Rugby player a few years ago? I know nothing about Rugby but the name was something like Moryarty???
I seem to recall reading that like Hearns and Hamed Colin was not know as a puncher in the Amatuers. Is this correct?
Have not watched Curry V Jones in years, but I do remember that bad cut across the bridge of the nose, I shall have to dig out the tape from my collection.
Yes, former Welsh captain Richard Moriarty. He had a role with Swansea RFC after his career was over. You can still here the "Colin Jones, Colin Jones, Colin Jones" chants (to "here we go") - its funny.
Posted: 23 May 2004, 19:55
by stujones
We should all be hearing alot more of Colin Jones. IMO he should replace Duke McKenzie as the co-commentator for the BBC. He is very good, up there with the SKy lot (apart from Watt and The Clones Cyclone of course).
As for Jones the fighter, there is not much I can add to what has already been said - not the greatest boxer, but what a punch.
I'll never forget Jones crying when he got stopped by Curry, I was very young at the time but can remember the tears and the mess on his face vividly. Jones seemed convinced that he was just getting going and knew that Curry was know longer hurting him. My father remains convinced that Jones would have got to Curry before the end, although a mate you used to put me through my paces was up there and thinks my father is talking bollocks.
Posted: 24 May 2004, 07:33
by bennie
OwainCymru wrote:I seem to recall reading that like Hearns and Hamed Colin was not know as a puncher in the Amatuers. Is this correct?
Yes that is correct. As an amateur Jonesy had excellent boxing skills and wasn't noted as a puncher. His style in the pro game couldn't have been more different to his style in the amateurs.
My abiding memory of Colin in the amateurs was when we fought in the same Wales team v England. We lost 10-1 !!
The sole winner was Chris Lawson. After the fights we all went to a nightclub and got hammered, on getting back to our hotel room I'll always remember the sight of Jonesy vomiting out of the hotel room window.....five floors up! Pity anyone walkng by!!! :P
Yes, I heard the same thing about Colin as an amateur, though he turned pro quite young and probably hadn't fully developed as a banger. Still, he took part in two amateur classics with Paul "Spider" Kelly, a Doncaster southpaw who was a beautiful boxer (southpaw) but didn't like it up him.
I watched Colin's brother Ken fight a few times as a pro and he couldn't really punch (though was as hard as they come). But Peter Jones, my God! He poleaxed Ray Gilbody in the 1981 ABA semi-finals at bantamweight. Gilbody was out for about half an hour. Peter's pro career was cut short by injury.
Posted: 24 May 2004, 12:10
by KOJOE90
stujones wrote:
I'll never forget Jones crying when he got stopped by Curry, I was very young at the time but can remember the tears and the mess on his face vividly. Jones seemed convinced that he was just getting going and knew that Curry was know longer hurting him..
Yes I remenber that interview to, but only just. I seemed to remember Colin saying something along the lines of
"I can't believe it, I was just getting warmed up, haven't had chance to show my stuff yet"
The man was so gutted.
Posted: 24 May 2004, 12:18
by KOJOE90
bennie wrote:Yes, I heard the same thing about Colin as an amateur, though he turned pro quite young and probably hadn't fully developed as a banger.
Maybe that was why Hearns and Hamed were not punchers as Amatuers as well, they to turned pro young?
Or was it that they fought more as Boxers in the vest, but when they turned pro, planted their feet more and became more aggressive in style? And with Pro trainers etc 'discovered' their latent punching ability?
I lean towards the latter 60/40.
Posted: 24 May 2004, 17:43
by hitman_hatton1
nice 1 guys

interesting read that

Posted: 25 May 2004, 06:01
by revporl
last seen in Swansea driving the wrong way down a one way street, pissed, with my mates mum in the passenger seat! I remember him back in the day though, a real warrior, the McCrory fights were epics.
Posted: 25 May 2004, 06:05
by knockout artist
revporl wrote:last seen in Swansea driving the wrong way down a one way street, pissed, with my mates mum in the passenger seat! I remember him back in the day though, a real warrior, the McCrory fights were epics.
Class!
Posted: 25 May 2004, 06:20
by J
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Yes, former Welsh captain Richard Moriarty. He had a role with Swansea RFC after his career was over. You can still here the "Colin Jones, Colin Jones, Colin Jones" chants (to "here we go") - its funny.[/quote]
EFF ME he must must have been pretty handy as Moriaty was a big bugger and one of the dirtiest bastards ever to grace a welsh shirt, believe he had a stint in League also which aint for the faint hearted.
Posted: 25 May 2004, 15:18
by stujones
J wrote:[quote="
Yes, former Welsh captain Richard Moriarty. He had a role with Swansea RFC after his career was over. You can still here the "Colin Jones, Colin Jones, Colin Jones" chants (to "here we go") - its funny.
EFF ME he must must have been pretty handy as Moriaty was a big bugger and one of the dirtiest bastards ever to grace a welsh shirt, believe he had a stint in League also which aint for the faint hearted.[/quote]
That's Richard's younger Brother, Paul - Both were internationals at the same time.
Posted: 25 May 2004, 15:28
by TheRiverCityHippy
i think i can picture paul, was he the blonde haired back rower stu?
cant picture his bro though.
Posted: 25 May 2004, 15:51
by stujones
headhunter wrote:i think i can picture paul, was he the blonde haired back rower stu?
cant picture his bro though.
Yeah, thats right - Now a coach at Llanelli.
His brother (Richard) had a tasche and more auburn hair, both are classified as Legends of Swansea Rugby Club, so maybe their website will help.
Both were huge and both really fancied themselves as hard nuts.
Posted: 25 May 2004, 16:16
by hitman_hatton1
got the 2 fights with milton mccrory thru today and that DQ loss to curtis ramsey.
i've seen the 1st fight with mccrory and thought it was very close i had jones by 1 pt but i'm not surprised it was scored even stevens. jones just threw away too many of those early rds and only started waking up in rd 6. i'll catch the 2nd fight tomorrow.
as for that DQ loss to curtis ramsey what a joke

jones sinks in a lovely left to the body and ramsey goes into one of those delayed action falls and takes an age to go down and jones just grazes him on top of the head and the ref fornicating falls for it and kicks him out. :x