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British Top 30 P4P June 2014

Posted: 01 Jun 2014, 08:00
by Horse
1. (1.) Carl Froch
2. (5.) Amir Khan
3. (2.) Martin Murray
4. (3.) Carl Frampton
5. (4.) George Groves
6. (6.) Tyson Fury
7. (7.) Ola Afolabi
8. (8.) Ricky Burns
9. (12.) James DeGale
10. (9.) Kell Brook

11. (10.) Dereck Chisora
12. (13.) Jamie McDonnell
13. (11.) Scott Quigg
14. (16.) Lee Selby
15. (14.) Tony Bellew
16. (15.) Lee Haskins
17. (17.) Matthew Macklin
18. (18.) Frankie Gavin
19. (21.) Nathan Cleverly
20. (19.) Anthony Crolla

21. (26.) Stephen Smith
22. (27.) Gavin Rees
23. (20.) Kid Galahad
24. (22.) Stuart Hall
25. (23.) Brian Rose
26. (24.) Billy Joe Saunders
27. (RE.) Kevin Mitchell
28. (NE.) Josh Warrington
29. (RE.) Derry Mathews
30. (25.) Enzo Maccarinelli

Out - (28.) Jon-Lewis Dickinson
Out - (29.) Paul Butler
Out - (30.) Curtis Woodhouse

Re: British Top 30 P4P June 2014

Posted: 01 Jun 2014, 08:01
by Horse
Any comments/criticisms of the British Top 30 P4P list are very welcome.

Re: British Top 30 P4P June 2014

Posted: 01 Jun 2014, 10:34
by DMA1987
Gavin Rees has retired.

Re: British Top 30 P4P June 2014

Posted: 01 Jun 2014, 12:25
by Horse
DMA1987 wrote:Gavin Rees has retired.
I know.

He might still change his mind if he gets offered an IBF world title eliminator against Mitchell or something similar though.

Re: British Top 30 P4P June 2014

Posted: 01 Jun 2014, 12:26
by Londonirish
Jamie McDonnell 2 times World Champion (regardless of who he had to beat) and he Drops a place :roll:

Re: British Top 30 P4P June 2014

Posted: 01 Jun 2014, 12:32
by expe
Londonirish wrote:Jamie McDonnell 2 times World Champion (regardless of who he had to beat) and he Drops a place :roll:
He isn't a 2 time world champion, Anselmo Moreno is the WBA champion, it's like saying Scott Quigg is a world champion, Sky and Eddie can talk all they want, they aren't world champions.

Re: British Top 30 P4P June 2014

Posted: 01 Jun 2014, 12:47
by Boxerbeetle
Londonirish wrote:Jamie McDonnell 2 times World Champion (regardless of who he had to beat) and he Drops a place :roll:
Whereas Cleverly blew out a tomato can & moves up 2 places. Weird.

Re: British Top 30 P4P June 2014

Posted: 01 Jun 2014, 14:29
by Horse
Londonirish wrote:Jamie McDonnell 2 times World Champion (regardless of who he had to beat) and he Drops a place :roll:
McDonnell climbed a place.

Re: British Top 30 P4P June 2014

Posted: 01 Jun 2014, 14:50
by brian13
Mc Donnell and Quigg too low. Quigg has defended his title many times and deserves higher even more so, that Frampton is at number four. Martin Murray is too high at three.

Re: British Top 30 P4P June 2014

Posted: 01 Jun 2014, 14:53
by Old Jack J
Paul Smith?

Callum Smith?

Not a criticism, just a general wonderingment on where you see these guys?

Re: British Top 30 P4P June 2014

Posted: 01 Jun 2014, 15:03
by Ian1973
1 Froch
2 Khan
3 Frampton
4 Quigg
5 McDonnell
6 Groves
7 Brook
8 DeGale
9 Murray
10 Fury

Re: British Top 30 P4P June 2014

Posted: 01 Jun 2014, 15:23
by Earleylad
Pretty close to what I'd have . Only one I'd change is Chisora I'd place him 5-10 places lower at the moment

Re: British Top 30 P4P June 2014

Posted: 01 Jun 2014, 15:42
by Horse
brian13 wrote:Mc Donnell and Quigg too low. Quigg has defended his title many times and deserves higher even more so, that Frampton is at number four. Martin Murray is too high at three.
McDonnell and Quigg are paper champions. Frampton has beaten much better opposition than either of them.

If Murray loses against Bursak this month then he will fall.

Re: British Top 30 P4P June 2014

Posted: 01 Jun 2014, 16:51
by BAP1
expe wrote:
Londonirish wrote:Jamie McDonnell 2 times World Champion (regardless of who he had to beat) and he Drops a place :roll:
He isn't a 2 time world champion, Anselmo Moreno is the WBA champion, it's like saying Scott Quigg is a world champion, Sky and Eddie can talk all they want, they aren't world champions.

:TU: :lol: :lol:

Re: British Top 30 P4P June 2014

Posted: 01 Jun 2014, 18:46
by Horse
Old Jack J wrote:Paul Smith?

Callum Smith?

Not a criticism, just a general wonderingment on where you see these guys?
I'd probably have them both ranked between 40-50 if I went that far down.

If either beat Fielding or Magee they'd most likely enter the rankings.

Re: British Top 30 P4P June 2014

Posted: 01 Jun 2014, 18:49
by Horse
Ian1973 wrote:1 Froch
2 Khan
3 Frampton
4 Quigg
5 McDonnell
6 Groves
7 Brook
8 DeGale
9 Murray
10 Fury
Quigg and McDonnell don't belong in the top 10 in my opinion.

Re: British Top 30 P4P June 2014

Posted: 02 Jun 2014, 08:39
by Horse
Earleylad wrote:Pretty close to what I'd have . Only one I'd change is Chisora I'd place him 5-10 places lower at the moment
Johnson was a top 20/30 heavyweight when Chisora beat him widely and Scott was ranked about the same as well.

I'd say Chisora's recent wins are better than McDonnell's, Quigg's and Selby's. If you disagree then fair enough.

Re: British Top 30 P4P June 2014

Posted: 02 Jun 2014, 14:50
by garethhop
I don't understand why murray is so high. He looked great against martinez but lost and has looked rotten since then.

He should be below all the other guys fighting world top 20s and winning.

Enjoy these threads though.

Re: British Top 30 P4P June 2014

Posted: 03 Jun 2014, 11:59
by Loftgroov
Murray is far too high. Martinez aside, he's hardly fought many with a pulse.

Re: British Top 30 P4P June 2014

Posted: 03 Jun 2014, 12:48
by keirw
I can't see how Murray is so high, I also think Chisora should be above Brook until he beats someone decent, nit-picking aside though it's as good a list as any out there.
p4p lists are speculative by nature so there is always room for debate :TU:

Re: British Top 30 P4P June 2014

Posted: 03 Jun 2014, 13:21
by misterpunch
enzo should be out - there are plenty of guys P4P better than him

Re: British Top 30 P4P June 2014

Posted: 03 Jun 2014, 13:28
by Boxerbeetle
Murray is far too high again. Otherwise not too much to argue about.

Re: British Top 30 P4P June 2014

Posted: 03 Jun 2014, 13:30
by Horse
garethhop wrote:I don't understand why murray is so high. He looked great against martinez but lost and has looked rotten since then.

He should be below all the other guys fighting world top 20s and winning.

Enjoy these threads though.
Arguably deserving the decision against the division's No. 1 is better than beating some lower top 20 ranked guy.

Re: British Top 30 P4P June 2014

Posted: 03 Jun 2014, 13:36
by Horse
Loftgroov wrote:Murray is far too high. Martinez aside, he's hardly fought many with a pulse.
Sturm.

Re: British Top 30 P4P June 2014

Posted: 03 Jun 2014, 13:36
by Horse
keirw wrote:I can't see how Murray is so high, I also think Chisora should be above Brook until he beats someone decent, nit-picking aside though it's as good a list as any out there.
p4p lists are speculative by nature so there is always room for debate :TU:
:TU: