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Changing styles
Posted: 06 Jun 2014, 18:42
by tagjohnson
What do you think has been the most significant change of fighting style a fighter has ever made? I thinking like Victor Galindez going from straight ahead brawler to back to the ropes counter-puncher or Marvin Hagler going from very good side to side smooth boxer to more of a brawler/power puncher. Not so much Ali going from speedster in the 60's to the rope a dope in the 70's since that was more an effect of age that deliberate change of style. It's been a while, I hope everyone has been well.
Re: Changing styles
Posted: 07 Jun 2014, 06:37
by Ezzard
Duran...from swarmer to counter puncher
Or Hearns from feather-fisted amateur to one shot KO artist.
Leonard changed tactics and styles for fights...but this was something he always had. He could seemingly do almost anything in the ring.
Re: Changing styles
Posted: 07 Jun 2014, 09:51
by Othro
Barrera made a nice change. Hopkins is kinda being less boring
Re: Changing styles
Posted: 07 Jun 2014, 10:11
by p4p1
Kostya Tszyu changed a lot after the Phillips fight.
Re: Changing styles
Posted: 08 Jun 2014, 00:25
by tagjohnson
Hadn't thought about Hearns. Good point though, as a pro he seemed to go through periods where he was more of a high speed super boxer and other times the one shot knockout artist. Motor City Cobra vs The Hitman in a manner of speaking.
Re: Changing styles
Posted: 16 Jun 2014, 13:20
by Bodyshot3
Dennis Andries was incredibly basic and just a swarming bruiser but after some time with the Kronk he made some decent improvements; mixing his strength and pressure with something resembling a jab and some head movement. It was an interesting conversion.
He was never going to make the full transformation from warrior through to technical cutie at his advanced age but he learned to fight much smarter than I ever thought possible and extended his career by doing it.
Interestingly, his great rival and fellow hard-case Jeff Harding showed much more boxing ability in their third and deciding fight than I thought he had in the locker.
Re: Changing styles
Posted: 17 Jun 2014, 11:43
by Ambling Alp II
Interesting thread.
Camacho is thought of as pretty a runner, but early in his career he was much more aggressive.
Re: Changing styles
Posted: 18 Jun 2014, 14:21
by SenorPipino
Billy Dib has become more exciting, especially when compared to his sleep-inducing style showcased against Luevano.
Of course, Dib's newfound aggressiveness hasn't translated into success.
Re: Changing styles
Posted: 18 Jun 2014, 14:27
by stevedoc
Tommy morrison turned from a brawler to a hit and move type against big george foreman .
Re: Changing styles
Posted: 18 Jun 2014, 14:31
by orbtastic
Maidana's found a jab and some footwork since hooking up with Garcia.
Re: Changing styles
Posted: 18 Jun 2014, 14:49
by BoxBuzz
Ambling Alp II wrote:Interesting thread.
Camacho is thought of as pretty a runner, but early in his career he was much more aggressive.
I forget who caught him good in one fight...aging memory and all. But yep, after that he left "Macho" behind and became a "fancy" fighter.
Re: Changing styles
Posted: 18 Jun 2014, 15:28
by stevedoc
BoxBuzz wrote:Ambling Alp II wrote:Interesting thread.
Camacho is thought of as pretty a runner, but early in his career he was much more aggressive.
I forget who caught him good in one fight...aging memory and all. But yep, after that he left "Macho" behind and became a "fancy" fighter.
edwin rosario......i get that all the time .ageing
Re: Changing styles
Posted: 18 Jun 2014, 17:28
by SenorPipino
stevedoc wrote:BoxBuzz wrote:Ambling Alp II wrote:Interesting thread.
Camacho is thought of as pretty a runner, but early in his career he was much more aggressive.
I forget who caught him good in one fight...aging memory and all. But yep, after that he left "Macho" behind and became a "fancy" fighter.
edwin rosario......i get that all the time .ageing
It was amazing to see how one fight transformed a boxer's style from "macho" to "feminino."
Camacho fought scared the remainder of his career.
Re: Changing styles
Posted: 18 Jun 2014, 19:02
by BoxBuzz
Cmon, he still maintained a winning record....he just used his head as far as I'm concerned. You may get points for going in and slugging all the time, but it's a crap strategy. He did a very good job of becoming a top notch finnesse fighter.
Imagine any other former slugger being able to do such a thing. I don't think it makes him less of a success, in fact it probably lengthened his career and he was good at his new style.
He just happened to mbe talented enough to make the conversion. When I say "fancy", I'm not knockin' him. And yes...I do agree that something dramatic happened to him in that Rosaria fight
Apparently it took having the light in his attic nearly turned off, to turn on the ol' "light in the attic". lol.
Re: Changing styles
Posted: 18 Jun 2014, 19:29
by elmersalsa
The great Pernell Whitaker was more of a mover and gave you more angles at first. Then, he was more flatfooted, but still effective.
Re: Changing styles
Posted: 20 Jun 2014, 21:54
by Crease
Miguel Cotto changed his style from brawler to boxer which was exemplified in his win over Margarito in their rematch. It was something amazing to watch - was like a different man.
Carl Froch changed his come-forward slugger style when he fougth Arthur Abraham. Carl went on the back foot maintained a high defence and boxed his way to a Unanimous Decision.
Re: Changing styles
Posted: 22 Jun 2014, 17:24
by SenorPipino
BoxBuzz wrote:Cmon, he still maintained a winning record....he just used his head as far as I'm concerned. You may get points for going in and slugging all the time, but it's a crap strategy. He did a very good job of becoming a top notch finnesse fighter.
Imagine any other former slugger being able to do such a thing. I don't think it makes him less of a success, in fact it probably lengthened his career and he was good at his new style.
He just happened to mbe talented enough to make the conversion. When I say "fancy", I'm not knockin' him. And yes...I do agree that something dramatic happened to him in that Rosaria fight
Apparently it took having the light in his attic nearly turned off, to turn on the ol' "light in the attic". lol.
I thought this thread was on changing styles, not whether or not it was effective.
Sure Camacho was still basically a winning fighter after the Rosario bout, but he DID fight scared the remainder of his career.
After getting clocked several times by Rosario, it was evident that Camacho no longer wanted to take any chance of getting hit, especially by elite fighters.
It explains why he was a no-show in his bouts with ODLH, Trinidad and Chavez...he had no appetite for a reoccurrence of the Rosario fight.
Re: Changing styles
Posted: 22 Jun 2014, 18:39
by BoxBuzz
Well the conversation is all good in my opinion.
And if you substitute scared for smart....we even agree.
I just think he got smart, you think he got scared. We both agree his style changed.
Re: Changing styles
Posted: 23 Jun 2014, 13:10
by Ambling Alp II
He could have been scared and got smart.
I think he was a better fighter earlier in his career. For a while, it looked like he was going to be the next big superstar.
Still, all in all, he had a career better than most.