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0-4 since being busted, 0-6 in total (including the fight he got busted in)

I guess that's pretty much proof he had his success based on what he was on.

It also may be evidence that steroids can significantly improve one's performance even if that person still isn't very good. I can't recall how many times I've heard comments along the lines of 'they're not that good so they probably aren't using'.

Well how good would they be if they weren't using? In this case it might be 10-3 vs 0-4

He was actually embarrassing tonight. Threw hardly any punches no effort and pulled out injured looked like a pretend bicep strain

crusader wrote:It also may be evidence that steroids can significantly improve one's performance even if that person still isn't very good. I can't recall how many times I've heard comments along the lines of 'they're not that good so they probably aren't using'.

Well how good would they be if they weren't using? In this case it might be 10-3 vs 0-4

Sadly, this seems to be correct - at least at the lower echelons of the sport.

crusader wrote:It also may be evidence that steroids can significantly improve one's performance even if that person still isn't very good. I can't recall how many times I've heard comments along the lines of 'they're not that good so they probably aren't using'.

Well how good would they be if they weren't using? In this case it might be 10-3 vs 0-4

He was no good when Big John got hold of him, and he was off his tits at the time. I'm only going on appearance, but I don't think John was...

crusader wrote:It also may be evidence that steroids can significantly improve one's performance even if that person still isn't very good. I can't recall how many times I've heard comments along the lines of 'they're not that good so they probably aren't using'.

Well how good would they be if they weren't using? In this case it might be 10-3 vs 0-4

haha, did you not read the post above?

Of course. I was speaking to a broader point though, that being that steroids don't have to make you especially good to have a positive impact on your ability.

I also say 'maybe' because while it seems likely that going off the drugs impaired him, the bad loss to John McD and the mess of being caught and thereafter stigmatized within the boxing community could've thrown him off too.

Guys, you've also got to consider that the lads Larry is being matched with now are actually trying to win. The lads he was beating before his fall from grace (with the exception of John Mc) were there to lose and even then Daniel Peret managed to turn him over.

I've never really understood people getting excited about Larry. Unlike other a muscle man underachievers like say Pele Reid, Larry never even managed one good performance. Granted he was 'big' but he was also obviously rubbish! Lol

crusader wrote:Of course. I was speaking to a broader point though, that being that steroids don't have to make you especially good to have a positive impact on your ability.

I also say 'maybe' because while it seems likely that going off the drugs impaired him, the bad loss to John McD and the mess of being caught and thereafter stigmatized within the boxing community could've thrown him off too.

Yeah sorry mate, it just seemed you were stating the obvious. You actually come across as a very good poster across all the boards on here.

It should be obvious, but I see people use the logic all the time-- 'he's not very good so the drugs probably didn't work'/'I doubt they're using if they're this bad'.

Well I guess its better than the arguements that I've heard that the only reason DLH beat Vargas and looked good in "defeat" against Mosley was because they were on the juice.