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In Japan the JBC bans international boxers who give a "lethargic effort" or have a "skills shortage" should the BBBofC have a similar rule to prevent Latvian lemmings from coming over here and collecting a cheque to just fall over?

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Boxing Prospect wrote:In Japan the JBC bans international boxers who give a "lethargic effort" or have a "skills shortage" should the BBBofC have a similar rule to prevent Latvian lemmings from coming over here and collecting a cheque to just fall over?

A list of the fighters banned by the JBC (in English) can be found here:
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there's an awful lot to like about the way the japanese approach boxing

Why draw the line at bans?

I personally would have 5 snipers in the rafters, and then a load of cameras monitoring the crowd. And if more than about 15 people turn their noses up at how someone is boxing then that boxer will get their head blown wide open.

jameswilson wrote:Why draw the line at bans?

I personally would have 5 snipers in the rafters, and then a load of cameras monitoring the crowd. And if more than about 15 people turn their noses up at how someone is boxing then that boxer will get their head blown wide open.

Also if a fan pulls out the cucumber sandwiches he gets taken out the back and given a good hiding.
I like the ban idea though.

Then who would Eubank Jr fight ?

80/20 wrote:Then who would Eubank Jr fight ?

Quality!

If there is betting, I think fighters who don't try to win should be punished. When there's no book, I don't think it matters.

What happens when a fighter is poor because he is badly matched ? Becomes a poor performance just to survive . I say no

Roman7 wrote:What happens when a fighter is poor because he is badly matched ? Becomes a poor performance just to survive . I say no

Then the match maker needs to be looked at (match makers and managers have also been banned by the JBC)

Boxers ain't robots!!! They have weight demands etc & somtimes lack of sparring.

Like the sport needs to be any harder & fighters used like a piece of Barry white!
People who post up these stupid suggestions really ought to have a little white collar & get a tad over matched & see how there opinions change

Absolutely not. "Bums" are not only a part of boxing, they are a vital part of boxing.

punchoutsb wrote:Absolutely not. "Bums" are not only a part of boxing, they are a vital part of boxing.

If they are so vital why do the JBC ban them from fighting in their jurisdiction? Lets not, for one moment, pretend that the Japanese scene is faltering as a result of these bans either, in fact right now it seems to be flourishing both on a domestic level and on the world level. They have what, 8 world champions (from 105 up to 130) and haven't shown a need for this "vital" part of the sport.

I know the population is twice that of Britain but that hardly makes them need "bums" to fill their schedule, which lets not forget is MUCH busier than the UK one.

hurlock wrote:Boxers ain't robots!!! They have weight demands etc & somtimes lack of sparring.

Like the sport needs to be any harder & fighters used like a piece of Barry white!
People who post up these stupid suggestions really ought to have a little white collar & get a tad over matched & see how there opinions change

True, they aren't robots but they are still to put some effort forward and still shouldn't be matched like Eubank's recent opponents. Nobody is forcing them to get in the ring, they choose to be there.

Boxing Prospect wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:Absolutely not. "Bums" are not only a part of boxing, they are a vital part of boxing.

If they are so vital why do the JBC ban them from fighting in their jurisdiction? Lets not, for one moment, pretend that the Japanese scene is faltering as a result of these bans either, in fact right now it seems to be flourishing both on a domestic level and on the world level. They have what, 8 world champions (from 105 up to 130) and haven't shown a need for this "vital" part of the sport.

I know the population is twice that of Britain but that hardly makes them need "bums" to fill their schedule, which lets not forget is MUCH busier than the UK one.

hurlock wrote:Boxers ain't robots!!! They have weight demands etc & somtimes lack of sparring.

Like the sport needs to be any harder & fighters used like a piece of Barry white!
People who post up these stupid suggestions really ought to have a little white collar & get a tad over matched & see how there opinions change

True, they aren't robots but they are still to put some effort forward and still shouldn't be matched like Eubank's recent opponents. Nobody is forcing them to get in the ring, they choose to be there.

We'll considering they've been a part of the sport since day one, I thought it was self explanatory.

Not every up and comer is a Lomachenko. Some guys need some push overs. It's nice to showcase young prospects. Besides the Japanese who have been lighting up the 108-130 scene, can you think of any all time greats that don't have some bums on their records?

punchoutsb wrote:

Boxing Prospect wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:Absolutely not. "Bums" are not only a part of boxing, they are a vital part of boxing.

If they are so vital why do the JBC ban them from fighting in their jurisdiction? Lets not, for one moment, pretend that the Japanese scene is faltering as a result of these bans either, in fact right now it seems to be flourishing both on a domestic level and on the world level. They have what, 8 world champions (from 105 up to 130) and haven't shown a need for this "vital" part of the sport.

I know the population is twice that of Britain but that hardly makes them need "bums" to fill their schedule, which lets not forget is MUCH busier than the UK one.

hurlock wrote:Boxers ain't robots!!! They have weight demands etc & somtimes lack of sparring.

Like the sport needs to be any harder & fighters used like a piece of Barry white!
People who post up these stupid suggestions really ought to have a little white collar & get a tad over matched & see how there opinions change

True, they aren't robots but they are still to put some effort forward and still shouldn't be matched like Eubank's recent opponents. Nobody is forcing them to get in the ring, they choose to be there.

We'll considering they've been a part of the sport since day one, I thought it was self explanatory.

Not every up and comer is a Lomachenko. Some guys need some push overs. It's nice to showcase young prospects. Besides the Japanese who have been lighting up the 108-130 scene, can you think of any all time greats that don't have some bums on their records?

It's nice to show case them against Latvians and Hungarians who don't try and fall over at the first sight of danger?

Would Oscar De La Hoya count as an ATG? He never fought a fighter with a losing record. Jeff Fenech fought just 2 guys with losing records, Muangsurin fought just 1 guy with a losing record (though I doubt we have that particular fighters full record).

A thing to remember is this system DOESN'T apply to domestic fighters. Every fighter who suffers this ban is an "invited fighter" from abroad.

Since day 1 in the sport their has been corruption so is that vital as well?

So why should a Latvian bum be banned but not a dude from Manchester who collapses?

Again, not every prospect can blast out good opponents early...but blasting out opponents is what gets them noticed and makes them money in the early stages.

punchoutsb wrote:So why should a Latvian bum be banned but not a dude from Manchester who collapses?

Again, not every prospect can blast out good opponents early...but blasting out opponents is what gets them noticed and makes them money in the early stages.

The reason a Japanese bum doesn't get punished is that the JBC use a graded ranking system for domestic fighters. B grade guys (which is what Joshua, Eubank Jr, and Campbell would all be) can't fight domestic "bums". They'd just refuse to allow the "bum" to be in such a mismatch.

Does blasting out a bum really get a guy noticed more than beating a good domestic opponent? Did Eubank's win last week get him more attention than if he'd stepped up to the plate and fought Blackwell/Etches/Ryder/O'Sullivan/Butler?

Boxing Prospect wrote:
Does blasting out a bum really get a guy noticed more than beating a good domestic opponent? Did Eubank's win last week get him more attention than if he'd stepped up to the plate and fought Blackwell/Etches/Ryder/O'Sullivan/Butler?

No it doesn't...but again, what does a young up and coming prospect looking to build his name do if he's not ready for a good domestic opponent? Not everyone can make the step up in class at the same time, but they still have a right to try and build buzz and momentum around their career.

punchoutsb wrote:

Boxing Prospect wrote:
Does blasting out a bum really get a guy noticed more than beating a good domestic opponent? Did Eubank's win last week get him more attention than if he'd stepped up to the plate and fought Blackwell/Etches/Ryder/O'Sullivan/Butler?

No it doesn't...but again, what does a young up and coming prospect looking to build his name do if he's not ready for a good domestic opponent? Not everyone can make the step up in class at the same time, but they still have a right to try and build buzz and momentum around their career.

In the case of Eubank Jr if he's not ready for a good domestic opponent why's he all but begging for a chance at the European champion?

Your right not everyone does make the step up at the same time, they all need to develop their skills, their experience et al, did Eubank Jr do that this past weekend with a 1 round blow out of a guy who was stopped by a guy he'd stopped in 2?

If you're a paying fan do you really want to see a card of mismatches like we have now? To me that put me off not just the fighter but the sport...which it may well be doing hence the dwindling interest from the wider public

I'm not disputing Eubank should be making the step. He's simply bottom feeding. But there are guys who need impressive wins to get noticed. Wins over anybody really. They may not learn anything technically, but it is experience and a chance to look great.

I'm not condoning a Wilder approach, but for non accomplished amateurs turning pro, a good five to ten impressive squashes can get them good exposure and by extension more money.

OP: Yes, it should.

The ability of some "fans" to defend the shittiest, stupidest, most embarrassing aspects of boxing never ceases to amaze me.

We don't need mismatches or stupid fuckin' titles or that American style TV stranglehold thing where if you're properly connected you get TV exposure fighting nobodies, in front of nobodies, & then get a big fight at the end of it. Yet mention any of the above & you get someone along within seconds whining about "it's just how it's done!"

How about, we expect/demand the sport to be run fuckin' properly for once?

punchoutsb wrote:

Boxing Prospect wrote:
Does blasting out a bum really get a guy noticed more than beating a good domestic opponent? Did Eubank's win last week get him more attention than if he'd stepped up to the plate and fought Blackwell/Etches/Ryder/O'Sullivan/Butler?

No it doesn't...but again, what does a young up and coming prospect looking to build his name do if he's not ready for a good domestic opponent? Not everyone can make the step up in class at the same time, but they still have a right to try and build buzz and momentum around their career.

No, they don't.

They actually do not have that right. That's not a fornicating right.

Datsue wrote:OP: Yes, it should.

The ability of some "fans" to defend the shittiest, stupidest, most embarrassing aspects of boxing never ceases to amaze me.

We don't need mismatches or stupid fuckin' titles or that American style TV stranglehold thing where if you're properly connected you get TV exposure fighting nobodies, in front of nobodies, & then get a big fight at the end of it. Yet mention any of the above & you get someone along within seconds whining about "it's just how it's done!"

How about, we expect/demand the sport to be run fuckin' properly for once?

There would still be work for journeymen out there - this rule would be banning people who give a poor effort not people with poor records.

The only problem journeymen might say is that if they come to win they won't get work.

That is a problem with the mindset of promoters I guess.

black panther wrote:

Datsue wrote:OP: Yes, it should.

The ability of some "fans" to defend the shittiest, stupidest, most embarrassing aspects of boxing never ceases to amaze me.

We don't need mismatches or stupid fuckin' titles or that American style TV stranglehold thing where if you're properly connected you get TV exposure fighting nobodies, in front of nobodies, & then get a big fight at the end of it. Yet mention any of the above & you get someone along within seconds whining about "it's just how it's done!"

How about, we expect/demand the sport to be run fuckin' properly for once?

There would still be work for journeymen out there - this rule would be banning people who give a poor effort not people with poor records.

The only problem journeymen might say is that if they come to win they won't get work.

That is a problem with the mindset of promoters I guess.

TOTALLY!

I have literally no problem with an honest pro--Jonny Greaves & co--who at least poses problems to be solved... That's a learning fight, imo. Absolutely nothing wrong with it, it's still a sporting spectacle. It's the utter knockover jobs I'm against, the dudes who seem unable/unwilling to even defend themselves.

PS: BTW, my original post should've read "...in front of nobody," I absolutely totally did not mean "...in front of nobodies". Apologies for any confusion caused.

black panther wrote:

Datsue wrote:OP: Yes, it should.

The ability of some "fans" to defend the shittiest, stupidest, most embarrassing aspects of boxing never ceases to amaze me.

We don't need mismatches or stupid fuckin' titles or that American style TV stranglehold thing where if you're properly connected you get TV exposure fighting nobodies, in front of nobodies, & then get a big fight at the end of it. Yet mention any of the above & you get someone along within seconds whining about "it's just how it's done!"

How about, we expect/demand the sport to be run fuckin' properly for once?

There would still be work for journeymen out there - this rule would be banning people who give a poor effort not people with poor records.

The only problem journeymen might say is that if they come to win they won't get work.

That is a problem with the mindset of promoters I guess.

Why cant journeyman just fight other journeyman? Ok they wouldnt be journeyman anymore by definition but it would provide interesting, competitive matchups.

Japanese boxing seems much more Darwinian than over here, and that's a good thing.