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I never saw a fight in which George Foreman face was all swealing . Holyfield, Morrison, Moorer did not did that kind of damaged. Did Alex Stewart used plater of paris?

Stewart hit pretty hard and Foreman's head was also pretty accessible.

Old guys like Foreman have a tendency to swell and lump up much more readily than younger fighters. Skin changes with age.
It's hard to accuse someone of such treachery when there was never an iota of evidence to support your query.

I can see your point, at first glance it does seem that Big George incurred a disproportionate amount of damage, considering Stewart wasn't the most highly regarded (in a deep heavyweight era, admittedly).

But if you think back, Holyfield landed punches on Foreman but I think he was still fighting well under 220lb in those days, and Foreman was swollen.

Moorer had Foreman at least as bashed up as Stewart.
And if I'm not mistaken, Stewart was considered to be a hard puncher, if nothing else, by many.

Could be that Foreman didn't respect Stewart's offensive abilities and wasn't as careful to avoid punches as he should have been.

EDIT: ........And what Pipino said.

George blew his nose...a cardinal sin when bruised

Foreman was so determined to KO Stewart he kept walking into punches he usually wouldn't. Generally Foreman was very good at rolling with shots, turning his head, and although he took some big shots versus Holyfield, Morrison and Moorer he was far less gung-ho against them than he was Stewart.

Stewart always looked a seriously heavy handed sort and for Foreman to just eat them up like that, at his age, is another reminder of his cast-iron chin. Cooney, Cooper, Holyfield, Morrison, Stewart, Moorer, Briggs. These men could hit. Ron Lyle must have had grenades in his fists.

The fact of the matter is Foreman pegged Stewart to just be a human punching bag, didn't train what so ever, and went into the fight guns blazing in the first two rounds and had nothing left and somehow Stewart survived. It was solely Foreman's experience, that kept him 'alive' in the fight enough to win (I thought a draw would of been appropriate) but he absorbed a hell of alot of punishment. Many critics said after the Stewart fight that Foreman was certainly finished as an active heavyweight--- which only made the Moorer fight all the more spectacular considering Foreman took such a beating from Stewart.

HomicideHenry wrote:The fact of the matter is Foreman pegged Stewart to just be a human punching bag, didn't train what so ever, and went into the fight guns blazing in the first two rounds and had nothing left and somehow Stewart survived. It was solely Foreman's experience, that kept him 'alive' in the fight enough to win (I thought a draw would of been appropriate) but he absorbed a hell of alot of punishment. Many critics said after the Stewart fight that Foreman was certainly finished as an active heavyweight--- which only made the Moorer fight all the more spectacular considering Foreman took such a beating from Stewart.

Where did you read/hear that Foreman did not train for the Stewart fight?

evrenb wrote:

HomicideHenry wrote:The fact of the matter is Foreman pegged Stewart to just be a human punching bag, didn't train what so ever, and went into the fight guns blazing in the first two rounds and had nothing left and somehow Stewart survived. It was solely Foreman's experience, that kept him 'alive' in the fight enough to win (I thought a draw would of been appropriate) but he absorbed a hell of alot of punishment. Many critics said after the Stewart fight that Foreman was certainly finished as an active heavyweight--- which only made the Moorer fight all the more spectacular considering Foreman took such a beating from Stewart.

Where did you read/hear that Foreman did not train for the Stewart fight?

It pretty much shows in the fight the extent to which Foreman trained. Mind you Stewart was chosen solely because both Holyfield and Tyson defeated him inside of one round. Even Stewart's own trainer said "My man is a punching bag with hair," so nobody really figured he had a chance. Foreman threw everything he had in the first two rounds, and when Stewart survived, Foreman started fighting a different bout altogether. He was spent. And that wasn't normal in the "comebacking" Foreman.

Holyfield never decked Stewart in a combined 20 rounds of action. Their first fight was a hugely entertaining 8-round slugfest.

My bad. Still, Holyfield kayoed Stewart and at the time alot of people were considering Evander more of a blown up light heavyweight than a real bonafide heavyweight contender--- so make of it what you will.

HomicideHenry wrote:My bad. Still, Holyfield kayoed Stewart and at the time alot of people were considering Evander more of a blown up light heavyweight than a real bonafide heavyweight contender--- so make of it what you will.

I thought it was a cut eye victory?? I could be wrong.

I remember the Foreman vs Stewart bout - Stewart made a terriffic comeback but then so did George I think it was the 9th round when he almost had Stewart out again (writing from memory) and George went all out and landed a huge uppercut but Stewart to his credit took it. George had a point taken away I believe.
George definitely trained, he may not have been at his best but he was fit imo.


evrenb

Alex Stewart wasn't a bad fighter at all and he had the style to cause Foreman problems. He hit hard and thought he could win, he hung tough and tried his hardest. Like evrenb said, if George blew his nose in the corner he'd mark up.

No. Stewart wasn't a great fighter but he did hit hard (a la Wilder before facing Evander he had knocked out all of his opponents). And George in the late rounds of that fight was exhausted and a sitting duck.

Stewart was c.230lbs and in really good shape. He was a hard hitter and his jabs were snappy and fast. People tend to dismiss him due to the speed Tyson blitzed him but I don't think that's fair. He was a handy fighter. Suggesting he may have used PoP is out of order.

I remember thinking Foreman was more blubbery than usual. He looked like he just expected to blow Stewart out like Tyson did.

Alex showed up in better form for that fight than he had in his previous outings and certainly appeared more experienced than he was against Holyfield years earlier. He boxed well and hit Foreman with a lot of solid accurate shots. The after appearance of Foreman's face left many people today feeling as though he had lost, but I still don't feel that he did. I am one who sided with Harold Letterman who said " Alex fought a great fight, but the two knockdowns that George scored killed him. "

This is quite possibly may be the most absurd topic heading that I've read here in 10 years.

HomicideHenry wrote:My bad. Still, Holyfield kayoed Stewart and at the time alot of people were considering Evander more of a blown up light heavyweight than a real bonafide heavyweight contender--- so make of it what you will.

Your posts and the ignorance u are showing in this thread are shocking.

Foreman never "just didn't train"

Where is the evidence for the " punchbag with hair quote"?

Holyfield didn't ko Stewart in one.they fought a very competitive fight of the year candidate first time round hence a rematch down the line.and it was a stoppage not ko

Moorer didn't just stop Stewart in one.it was a 2 way brawl and entertaining.

Stewart was known as a big strong puncher in a very talented and deep era (1988-92)

mugabi wrote:

HomicideHenry wrote:My bad. Still, Holyfield kayoed Stewart and at the time alot of people were considering Evander more of a blown up light heavyweight than a real bonafide heavyweight contender--- so make of it what you will.

Your posts and the ignorance u are showing in this thread are shocking.

Foreman never "just didn't train"

Where is the evidence for the " punchbag with hair quote"?

Holyfield didn't ko Stewart in one.they fought a very competitive fight of the year candidate first time round hence a rematch down the line.and it was a stoppage not ko

Moorer didn't just stop Stewart in one.it was a 2 way brawl and entertaining.

Stewart was known as a big strong puncher in a very talented and deep era (1988-92)

Yeah the first meeting between Stewart and Holy was a very severe cut stoppage. My friend and I watched that fight live when were around 15. We actually cheered for Stewart at the time, before jumping on the Holyfield fan train. Alex started bleeding around the 4th round. By round 6 he was practically gushing. between rounds 7 and 8 the ref went to examine Stewart, but his people were blocking his view to try and keep him out of the corner. Halfway through the 8th Stewart looked like a bloody mess when the fight was called off.

mugabi wrote:
Where is the evidence for the " punchbag with hair quote"?

Sir,
May I ask,Where is your evidence that Emanuel Stewart did NOT say this?

Well sir,usually the person asserting something was said has the burden of proof, not the other way round.

I don't need to prove evidence that steward did not say it ..........any more than I need to prove evidence you aren't a cross dresser in private.

Therefore according to your logic you are a cross dresser.

mugabi wrote:Well sir,usually the person asserting something was said has the burden of proof, not the other way round.

oh Yeah?
Since when?
You sound like you may be a conservative.

Since when? Oh probably since man became civilised.........so around about the time of Adam.

So I sound like I may be a conservative ?.....what else do I sound like?

Alex Stewart was a massively underrated fighter and big puncher, he beat george that night I don't care what any of them judges said, only one winner

Stewart often packed his gloves like a lot of big punchers did and still do.