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Andrej Dirrell

Posted: 04 Aug 2014, 11:56
by PsychoGamer
Whats up with him? He fought Abraham, then he takes a 19 months break. He fights again, but after this one, 13 months layoff. One easy fight again, and then... 18 months layoff. How does he earn his money? Why is he wasting his talent?

He lost a split decision to Froch, he could avenge his loss now & be world champion. Or he could beat Abraham again & be world champion. Or he could fight Bika to avenge his brothers draw & be world champ.

I don't think he takes it serious anymore.

Re: Andrej Dirrell

Posted: 04 Aug 2014, 12:07
by world ranked
Its funny 5 years ago no one could tell his brother Anthony may be a world champ before Andre.

Re: Andrej Dirrell

Posted: 04 Aug 2014, 12:11
by Baby Face Finster
Put him in against Golovkin and you will never see him fight again. :D

Re: Andrej Dirrell

Posted: 04 Aug 2014, 12:32
by diddy
Is Andrej, Andre's Russian twin?

Re: Andrej Dirrell

Posted: 04 Aug 2014, 12:54
by PsychoGamer
world ranked wrote:Its funny 5 years ago no one could tell his brother Anthony may be a world champ before Andre.
I didn't even know him at this time. First heard from him, when he had some bike crash, and i thought Andre Dirrell would've been hit. Don't think its funny, its just sad. But maybe Bika wins this time, so Andre still has a chance.
Baby Face Finster wrote:Put him in against Golovkin and you will never see him fight again. :D
With all respect to Golovkin, but Dirrell would be the best he's faced yet. He has a better technique than Geale/Macklin and good power, considering he's been fighting at 168. He's not some light-middleweight like Rosado. He neither has been down plenty of times like Geale, Rosado, Macklin, or Stevens. He even beat him as an amateur.
diddy wrote:Is Andrej, Andre's Russian twin?
Nah, his polish one...

Re: Andrej Dirrell

Posted: 04 Aug 2014, 12:57
by diddy
GGG hasn't fought anyone in the same stratosphere as Dirrell, who is bigger, better, faster than all of GGGs opponents by a mile. If GGG is moving 168, Dirrell is not the guy to target. And Ward. But we already knew that.

Re: Andrej Dirrell

Posted: 04 Aug 2014, 13:04
by Woldemar
diddy wrote:Is Andrej, Andre's Russian twin?
Andrei this is Russian version this name ;-)

Re: Andrej Dirrell

Posted: 04 Aug 2014, 13:09
by ikorolev
diddy wrote:GGG hasn't fought anyone in the same stratosphere as Dirrell, who is bigger, better, faster than all of GGGs opponents by a mile. If GGG is moving 168, Dirrell is not the guy to target. And Ward. But we already knew that.
GGG defeated Andre in amateurs and he would definitely demolish him now. In order to get to Golovkin's business league, Dirrell needs to defeat a few opponents worth mentioning. I doubt that he is still mentally capable to face a good puncher. Bica or Butte would be good tests.

Re: Andrej Dirrell

Posted: 04 Aug 2014, 13:14
by diddy
ikorolev wrote:
diddy wrote:GGG hasn't fought anyone in the same stratosphere as Dirrell, who is bigger, better, faster than all of GGGs opponents by a mile. If GGG is moving 168, Dirrell is not the guy to target. And Ward. But we already knew that.
GGG defeated Andre in amateurs and he would definitely demolish him now. In order to get to Golovkin's business league, Dirrell needs to defeat a few opponents worth mentioning. I doubt that he is still mentally capable to face a good puncher. Bica or Butte would be good tests.
Did you just say amateurs?

Present an actual argument that is relevant.

Berto beat a bunch of good middles and super middles in the am's. Who cares.

Re: Andrej Dirrell

Posted: 04 Aug 2014, 13:16
by 606
If GGG was to move up to 168 for his next fight, Andre would be his best first fight, GGG would be the betting favourate because of the inactivity that Dirrel has had. Would be great for boxing to see this one, I think Dirrell wins it convincingly though.

Re: Andrej Dirrell

Posted: 04 Aug 2014, 13:44
by ikorolev
diddy wrote:
ikorolev wrote:
diddy wrote:GGG hasn't fought anyone in the same stratosphere as Dirrell, who is bigger, better, faster than all of GGGs opponents by a mile. If GGG is moving 168, Dirrell is not the guy to target. And Ward. But we already knew that.
GGG defeated Andre in amateurs and he would definitely demolish him now. In order to get to Golovkin's business league, Dirrell needs to defeat a few opponents worth mentioning. I doubt that he is still mentally capable to face a good puncher. Bica or Butte would be good tests.
Did you just say amateurs?

Present an actual argument that is relevant.

Berto beat a bunch of good middles and super middles in the am's. Who cares.
In amateurs, GGG's advantage in power was not as important as in professionals. If he could outbox Dirrell in amateurs, he will destroy him now, especially taking into account Andre's background with power punchers.

Re: Andrej Dirrell

Posted: 04 Aug 2014, 13:49
by Woldemar
Tilman outboxed Tyson in amateurs.Tyson destroyed him in pro

Abdullaev and Pinto beat Cotto in amateurs.Cotto beat this guys in pro

Biggs beat Lewis in amateurs.Lewis beat Biggs in pro.

Re: Andrej Dirrell

Posted: 04 Aug 2014, 14:06
by ikorolev
Woldemar wrote:Tilman outboxed Tyson in amateurs.Tyson destroyed him in pro

Abdullaev and Pinto beat Cotto in amateurs.Cotto beat this guys in pro

Biggs beat Lewis in amateurs.Lewis beat Biggs in pro.
You don't get it. Tyson couldn't fully use his power in amateurs. In Golovkin's case, he has both power advantage and amateur win.

Re: Andrej Dirrell

Posted: 04 Aug 2014, 14:14
by scallum
Baby Face Finster wrote:Put him in against Golovkin and you will never see him fight again. :D
I agree 100 %. Golovkin would probably never fight again if he faced Dirrell lol. Even with all the time off Dirrell resume is leaps and bounds better than Ggg

Re: Andrej Dirrell

Posted: 04 Aug 2014, 14:21
by ttornado
PsychoGamer wrote:
With all respect to Golovkin, but Dirrell would be the best he's faced yet. He has a better technique than Geale/Macklin and good power, considering he's been fighting at 168.
Technically Dirrell would be the best GGG has faced, but his heart is far from the best.
Dirrell would be on his bike from the start against GGG.

Re: Andrej Dirrell

Posted: 04 Aug 2014, 14:41
by ikorolev
scallum wrote:
Baby Face Finster wrote:Put him in against Golovkin and you will never see him fight again. :D
I agree 100 %. Golovkin would probably never fight again if he faced Dirrell lol. Even with all the time off Dirrell resume is leaps and bounds better than Ggg
With Andre being so much better than Gennady, why couldn't come close to beating him in amateurs ? As soon as Gennady touches him, he will start running for life and pray for another DQ "win".

Re: Andrej Dirrell

Posted: 04 Aug 2014, 15:38
by ttornado
ikorolev wrote:pray for another DQ "win".
I'm far from a Dirrell fan, but that DQ win was fair. King Arthur did hit him when he was down. Not hard enough the justify his BS since, but he was hit when down.

Re: Andrej Dirrell

Posted: 04 Aug 2014, 15:44
by ikorolev
ttornado wrote:
ikorolev wrote:pray for another DQ "win".
I'm far from a Dirrell fan, but that DQ win was fair. King Arthur did hit him when he was down. Not hard enough the justify his BS since, but he was hit when down.
The DQ was fair, however you will find a lot of people not believing in his theatrical performance on the canvas.

Re: Andrej Dirrell

Posted: 04 Aug 2014, 15:54
by ttornado
ikorolev wrote:
The DQ was fair, however you will find a lot of people not believing in his theatrical performance on the canvas.
He'll be having more convulsions, maybe even for real(!), if he fought GGG.

Re: Andrej Dirrell

Posted: 04 Aug 2014, 15:58
by Bard of Boxrec
Dirrell would just be the latest in GGG's line of reversing performing monkeys. Andre would take one look at G and shit his pants like he did vs Froch.

Forget whether Froch beat him or not (He did). If Carl can make it close against Dirrell GGG would walk through him.

Re: Andrej Dirrell

Posted: 04 Aug 2014, 16:04
by Trunzo
ikorolev wrote:
scallum wrote:
Baby Face Finster wrote:Put him in against Golovkin and you will never see him fight again. :D
I agree 100 %. Golovkin would probably never fight again if he faced Dirrell lol. Even with all the time off Dirrell resume is leaps and bounds better than Ggg
With Andre being so much better than Gennady, why couldn't come close to beating him in amateurs ? As soon as Gennady touches him, he will start running for life and pray for another DQ "win".
You do realize they went 1-1 against each other in the amateurs, right?

Re: Andrej Dirrell

Posted: 04 Aug 2014, 16:04
by ttornado
Riddick Blowe wrote:
Forget whether Froch beat him or not (He did).
He didn't he ran and ran.

Re: Andrej Dirrell

Posted: 04 Aug 2014, 16:06
by ttornado
Trunzo wrote:
You do realize they went 1-1 against each other in the amateurs, right?
That's when elite amateurs wore headguards, right?

Re: Andrej Dirrell

Posted: 04 Aug 2014, 16:06
by ikorolev
Trunzo wrote: You do realize they went 1-1 against each other in the amateurs, right?
No, I don't. When did Andre win ?

Re: Andrej Dirrell

Posted: 04 Aug 2014, 16:11
by Trunzo
ttornado wrote:
Trunzo wrote:
You do realize they went 1-1 against each other in the amateurs, right?
That's when elite amateurs wore headguards, right?
I am responding to the claims that Dirrell "couldn't come close" to him in the amateurs. I wasn't trying to say a thing about whether amateur fights mattered or not.