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cold187 wrote:hopefully to be announced soon for moscow

a very good fight takam is pressing but bloody easy to hit and povetkin is chinny but hits well

povetkin skill should be enough but takam looks decent!!!

keirw wrote:Obviously being put on the deck by the best heavyweight in the world a few times makes you chinny, even if you get back up and finish the fight on your feet
Povetkin wins this for me, Takem is tough and relentless but Povetkin is a level above and will show that on the night

Yes We Can wrote:If Povetkin had taken more of these type of fights (Takam, Charr) in the years leading up to Wladamir he would have stood a far greater chance when they met. Instead he ruined all momentum (post chambers etc.) and stagnated massively.


Takam is a breath of fresh air, taking on anybody he can to earn a shot. Hopefully the HW division is learning its lessons of years gone by.

columbo wrote:

Yes We Can wrote:If Povetkin had taken more of these type of fights (Takam, Charr) in the years leading up to Wladamir he would have stood a far greater chance when they met. Instead he ruined all momentum (post chambers etc.) and stagnated massively.


Takam is a breath of fresh air, taking on anybody he can to earn a shot. Hopefully the HW division is learning its lessons of years gone by.

I dont know if it would of made much difference to be honest. I just think that from a style perspective it would of always been an uphill battle for Povetkin as he's a relatively short heavyweight in the modern era and he has short arms aswell.

crusader wrote:

columbo wrote:

Yes We Can wrote:If Povetkin had taken more of these type of fights (Takam, Charr) in the years leading up to Wladamir he would have stood a far greater chance when they met. Instead he ruined all momentum (post chambers etc.) and stagnated massively.


Takam is a breath of fresh air, taking on anybody he can to earn a shot. Hopefully the HW division is learning its lessons of years gone by.

I dont know if it would of made much difference to be honest. I just think that from a style perspective it would of always been an uphill battle for Povetkin as he's a relatively short heavyweight in the modern era and he has short arms aswell.

I agree. He would've been more respected but I doubt he would've had 'a far greater chance' of winning.

Yes We Can wrote:

crusader wrote:

columbo wrote: I dont know if it would of made much difference to be honest. I just think that from a style perspective it would of always been an uphill battle for Povetkin as he's a relatively short heavyweight in the modern era and he has short arms aswell.

I agree. He would've been more respected but I doubt he would've had 'a far greater chance' of winning.

Really? so actually fighting a good standard of opposition wont increase your chances of victory when you step up? if your not challenged and tested your skills get blunted, thats a fact.

I'm not proclaiming he would have won against Wlad, im just saying he didnt give himself anywhere near his best chance by fighting bums. Charr & Takam is a nice start on the road back, couple more wins like that and i wouldn't mind seeing a rematch with the top dog (i appreciate the first fight raped my/your/the worlds eyes) just to see the difference a solid run of fights can do for your skills.

Really? so actually fighting a good standard of opposition wont increase your chances of victory when you step up? if your not challenged and tested your skills get blunted, thats a fact.

I'm not proclaiming he would have won against Wlad, im just saying he didnt give himself anywhere near his best chance by fighting bums. Charr & Takam is a nice start on the road back, couple more wins like that and i wouldn't mind seeing a rematch with the top dog (i appreciate the first fight raped my/your/the worlds eyes) just to see the difference a solid run of fights can do for your skills.

crusader wrote:

Really? so actually fighting a good standard of opposition wont increase your chances of victory when you step up? if your not challenged and tested your skills get blunted, thats a fact.

I'm not proclaiming he would have won against Wlad, im just saying he didnt give himself anywhere near his best chance by fighting bums. Charr & Takam is a nice start on the road back, couple more wins like that and i wouldn't mind seeing a rematch with the top dog (i appreciate the first fight raped my/your/the worlds eyes) just to see the difference a solid run of fights can do for your skills.

I think there is a realistic possibility that Povetkin's chances would've been better and I'm not disputing that raising one's level of opposition can help them improve, but he had an extensive amateur career, already fought some good pros, and was recently active, so I think his abilities were likely entrenched or close to it at that point. I also don't believe he had the ability or style to have more than a faint chance of winning, regardless of whether those chances shifted slightly due to variation in his opposition.

To use an extreme example, my chances of going the distance with Wlad probably go up a bit if I get in top shape, have a bunch of amateur bouts, and regularly spar with fighters his size, but the overwhelmingly likely result is still going to be one in which I am stopped. In terms of the chances of me not being stopped, th ceiling is too low for my chances to vary greatly.

Yes We Can wrote:

crusader wrote:

Really? so actually fighting a good standard of opposition wont increase your chances of victory when you step up? if your not challenged and tested your skills get blunted, thats a fact.

I'm not proclaiming he would have won against Wlad, im just saying he didnt give himself anywhere near his best chance by fighting bums. Charr & Takam is a nice start on the road back, couple more wins like that and i wouldn't mind seeing a rematch with the top dog (i appreciate the first fight raped my/your/the worlds eyes) just to see the difference a solid run of fights can do for your skills.

I think there is a realistic possibility that Povetkin's chances would've been better and I'm not disputing that raising one's level of opposition can help them improve, but he had an extensive amateur career, already fought some good pros, and was recently active, so I think his abilities were likely entrenched or close to it at that point. I also don't believe he had the ability or style to have more than a faint chance of winning, regardless of whether those chances shifted slightly due to variation in his opposition.

To use an extreme example, my chances of going the distance with Wlad probably go up a bit if I get in top shape, have a bunch of amateur bouts, and regularly spar with fighters his size, but the overwhelmingly likely result is still going to be one in which I am stopped. In terms of the chances of me not being stopped, th ceiling is too low for my chances to vary greatly.

from early 2008 until the Wlad fight in what late 2013? Povetkin fought Marco Huck as his sole okay opponent. A cruiserweights first fight above was his only decent bout in 5 years. It was well commented on here that his skillset looked to be going backwards, so i cant agree that his extensive am career had helped maintain his skills.

anyways, Nevermind. just happy to see the good fights up at HW continuing.

Yes We Can wrote:sorry lefty, i meant from the Chambers fight onwards (beating Chambers made him concencus number 2 at the time?)

Beating Byrd & Chambers back to back should have put confidence to take more sterner tests, it just didn't happen.