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Do you think he's an ATG, or has he "ducked" too many fighters?

Remember that he holds wins over G. Hernandez, Corrales, Marquez, Hatton, Judah, Guerrero, Canelo, and Cotto.

Every fighter he has fought were at there peak!

The only exception his he seemed to avoid fighting Kostya Tszyu and Manny Pacquaio when they were at there peaks!

People say Floyd cherry-picks.

I think that Floyd just makes his opponents look like amateurs.

For sure he's great.

Thread number 1001 on the same topic.

Floyd is undoubtedly an ATG.

ikorolev wrote:Thread number 1001 on the same topic.

...of this month

Without question. The real question is, how much longer can he hold on to that greatness?

And, can he still surprise us?

If he moves up to MW and wins a title there, where would you rank him all time?

Definitely, easily in the top 25-30 range.

CTaylor1999 wrote:Every fighter he has fought were at there peak!

The only exception his he seemed to avoid fighting Kostya Tszyu and Manny Pacquaio when they were at there peaks!

Hatton, Cotto, Marquez were all past their peak, Hatton and Marquez were made to fight above their weight class.

Get with the programme.

... of course he is.

but it makes me think. who are all the all time greats still active today.
i'd say; rjj, hopkins, mayweather, pac, marquez, ward, and vlad.

Atg is a silly ass concept unless you're a couple hundred years old & dedicated your life to traveling the globe watching fights.

Yes

ATG yes but no where near TBE

fanman wrote:... of course he is.

but it makes me think. who are all the all time greats still active today.
i'd say; rjj, hopkins, mayweather, pac, marquez, ward, and vlad.

Wilder. He's big and black so he's a shoe in.

(And just in case, this is sarcasm based off another thread someone started...)

ALI wrote:

CTaylor1999 wrote:Every fighter he has fought were at there peak!

The only exception his he seemed to avoid fighting Kostya Tszyu and Manny Pacquaio when they were at there peaks!

Hatton, Cotto, Marquez were all past their peak, Hatton and Marquez were made to fight above their weight class.

Get with the programme.

Cotto is still fighting and winning at top level - so you have to be fair to Floyd and admit that the Cotto win was a very good one. Marquez is still a top 10 P4P guy, admittedly he was the smaller man, but the ease with which Floyd beat him was impressive.

Floyd does get overrated sometimes, but he's one hell of a technician.

ALI wrote:

CTaylor1999 wrote:Every fighter he has fought were at there peak!

The only exception his he seemed to avoid fighting Kostya Tszyu and Manny Pacquaio when they were at there peaks!

Hatton, Cotto, Marquez were all past their peak, Hatton and Marquez were made to fight above their weight class.

Get with the programme.

Hatton was undefeated at the time.
Cotto went on to win the lineal middleweight championship
Marquez had the biggest win of his career years after

Use a logical debate.

fanman wrote:... of course he is.

but it makes me think. who are all the all time greats still active today.
i'd say; rjj, hopkins, mayweather, pac, marquez, ward, and vlad.

If you're going to include Ward at this stage, I'd also have Mosley (definitely, he's greater than Ward and Wlad), Martinez, Froch and Cotto.

VG_Addict wrote:Do you think he's an ATG, or has he "ducked" too many fighters?

Yes. Yes.

CTaylor1999 wrote:Every fighter he has fought were at there peak!

That's interesting that you think De La Hoya and Mosley were at their peaks. Mosley was at his highest peak 9 years before he fought Mayweather. De La Hoya was at his peek about 10 years before he fought Mayweather. Cotto was probably at his best 5 years before he fought Mayweather, but that's an opinion.

Tired topic. Better question is: Do you consider Pac Man an ATG?

Floyd is business man 1st, fighter 2nd. Hopkins is exact opposite. Both are top 10 ATG. I hate Floyd but can't argue his skills

Yes, I think Floyd is an ATG.

Tired topic. Better question is: Do you consider Pac Man an ATG?

Yes.

he is an ATG but not a top5 guy. he has fought big names but some were past their prime or in the wrong weightclass. still he has a very impressive resume and I think it would be correct to rank him in the bottom part of the top10 all time p4p.

With the body of work he has got you have to consider him as an All Time Great, but you can pick apart his record like any all time great fighter and then that's when it gets messy.

IRLangmaid25 wrote:With the body of work he has got you have to consider him as an All Time Great, but you can pick apart his record like any all time great fighter and then that's when it gets messy.

Perfectly stated.