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But within these only 14 fights, he has already achieved this:



Now, that's of course far from an ATG resume, but still, within 14 fights, that's quite a high level to be fighting at. Have you ever seen anything similiar?

Kaaspeer wrote:But within these only 14 fights, he has already achieved this:



Now, that's of course far from an ATG resume, but still, within 14 fights, that's quite a high level to be fighting at. Have you ever seen anything similiar?

IMO somebody who has massive amateur background like him (2x olympic gold, 2x world champ, 7x Cuba champ), cannot fight bums in pro´s.

jeff fenech was a 3 weight world champ inside 20 fights, that was a pretty blistering pace.

Which opponents would you like to see him fight?

Wow, he accomplished all of that at the tender young age of 33?? Amazing! Saul Alvarez is already an ancient 24, and he's only beat Alfredo Angulo, Erislandy Lara, and Austin Trout so deep into his career on the seniors tour. I mean, aside from the 8 other decent fighters that Alvarez beat (Baldomir, Ndou, M. Hatton, Rhodes, Gomez, Cintron, Mosley, Lopez).

Vasyl Lomachenko seems on course to have a really absurd achievement vs total fights resume.

But all of this only serves to illustrate that quantity of professional fights is absolutely irrelevant as far as where a fighter is in his development. Rigondeaux is the perfect example of a fighter whom you can say "He's only been in 14 boxing matches," and be extremely wrong since he's been in 500 boxing matches.

Kaaspeer wrote:Which opponents would you like to see him fight?

There is no perfect rival out there for him right now, but I would be okay with Leo Santa Cruz, Donaire rematch, Gonzalez, Mares, or Gradovich. Leo Santa Cruz really needs more time to develop, though; and Gonzalez / Mares need to offer some evidence as to whether Gonzalez - Mares was just a fluke.

Lackeos wrote:Wow, he accomplished all of that at the tender young age of 33?? Amazing! Saul Alvarez is already an ancient 24, and he's only beat Alfredo Angulo, Erislandy Lara, and Austin Trout so deep into his career on the seniors tour. I mean, aside from the 8 other decent fighters that Alvarez beat (Baldomir, Ndou, M. Hatton, Rhodes, Gomez, Cintron, Mosley, Lopez).

Vasyl Lomachenko seems on course to have a really absurd achievement vs total fights resume.

But all of this only serves to illustrate that quantity of professional fights is absolutely irrelevant as far as where a fighter is in his development. Rigondeaux is the perfect example of a fighter whom you can say "He's only been in 14 boxing matches," and be extremely wrong since he's been in 500 boxing matches.

I'd throw the Inoue's in there, don't think they had 500 amateur bouts between them but their 8 combined pro fights have already been impressive

Why are people hating on Rigondeaux? Who do you want him to fight, his weightclass sucks? A rematch with Donaire or a catchweight fight with Ali Raymi are the best options I can think of for him to fight, lol, no good guys down at that weight.

Lackeos wrote:Wow, he accomplished all of that at the tender young age of 33?? Amazing! Saul Alvarez is already an ancient 24, and he's only beat Alfredo Angulo, Erislandy Lara, and Austin Trout so deep into his career on the seniors tour. I mean, aside from the 8 other decent fighters that Alvarez beat (Baldomir, Ndou, M. Hatton, Rhodes, Gomez, Cintron, Mosley, Lopez).

Vasyl Lomachenko seems on course to have a really absurd achievement vs total fights resume.

But all of this only serves to illustrate that quantity of professional fights is absolutely irrelevant as far as where a fighter is in his development. Rigondeaux is the perfect example of a fighter whom you can say "He's only been in 14 boxing matches," and be extremely wrong since he's been in 500 boxing matches.

Kaaspeer wrote:Which opponents would you like to see him fight?

There is no perfect rival out there for him right now, but I would be okay with Leo Santa Cruz, Donaire rematch, Gonzalez, Mares, or Gradovich. Leo Santa Cruz really needs more time to develop, though; and Gonzalez / Mares need to offer some evidence as to whether Gonzalez - Mares was just a fluke.

There was a real reason why Mares didn't go for the rematch right away, they want to see some slippage in Gonzalez before they test those waters again. No way was that fight a fluke, I've read the sparring reports on them and everyone knows that Gonzalez was owning him then just as he owned him in their fight. This is one of the major reasons why I hate when people downgrade sparring as though it tells no tales, as far as Rigo goes then I'd say he is still in the process of proving himself and he did have a late start as a Pro but he is still impressive.

I'd love to see the rematch between Rigo and Donaire, I think Guillermo will own him even more outright than he did in their first fight.

He should move up in weight and start by taking a fight against Nicholas Walters, then aim at better opponents afterward.

If only he turned pro earlier he would be an ATG. It's a shame that Santa Cruz, Quigg and Frampton are all running scared from Rigo.

verballistic wrote: I really doubt Nonito would take a rematch...it would derail his rebuilding program.

Agree. Nonito gains lil rematching Guillermo cuz idk that it goes much different.

Guillermo is likely going to need to move up to enhance his impact on boxing cuz idk that @ his age he's gonna be able to have a lengthy enough reign @ 122 or have enough competition to fully maximize his legacy &/or bank account. The messed up part is that his best option might be Vasyl, but with Guillermo all but assured of leaving TR that probably has lil chance of happening.

Boxing Prospect wrote:

Lackeos wrote:Wow, he accomplished all of that at the tender young age of 33?? Amazing! Saul Alvarez is already an ancient 24, and he's only beat Alfredo Angulo, Erislandy Lara, and Austin Trout so deep into his career on the seniors tour. I mean, aside from the 8 other decent fighters that Alvarez beat (Baldomir, Ndou, M. Hatton, Rhodes, Gomez, Cintron, Mosley, Lopez).

Vasyl Lomachenko seems on course to have a really absurd achievement vs total fights resume.

But all of this only serves to illustrate that quantity of professional fights is absolutely irrelevant as far as where a fighter is in his development. Rigondeaux is the perfect example of a fighter whom you can say "He's only been in 14 boxing matches," and be extremely wrong since he's been in 500 boxing matches.

I'd throw the Inoue's in there, don't think they had 500 amateur bouts between them but their 8 combined pro fights have already been impressive

Rigondeaux 374-12
Lomenchenko 396-1

People don't get it. It's impressive that Rigondeaux in such a short time as a pro have done that much.

tiny_acres wrote:

Boxing Prospect wrote:

Lackeos wrote:Wow, he accomplished all of that at the tender young age of 33?? Amazing! Saul Alvarez is already an ancient 24, and he's only beat Alfredo Angulo, Erislandy Lara, and Austin Trout so deep into his career on the seniors tour. I mean, aside from the 8 other decent fighters that Alvarez beat (Baldomir, Ndou, M. Hatton, Rhodes, Gomez, Cintron, Mosley, Lopez).

Vasyl Lomachenko seems on course to have a really absurd achievement vs total fights resume.

But all of this only serves to illustrate that quantity of professional fights is absolutely irrelevant as far as where a fighter is in his development. Rigondeaux is the perfect example of a fighter whom you can say "He's only been in 14 boxing matches," and be extremely wrong since he's been in 500 boxing matches.

I'd throw the Inoue's in there, don't think they had 500 amateur bouts between them but their 8 combined pro fights have already been impressive

Rigondeaux 374-12
Lomenchenko 396-1

The Lomachenko amateur record of 396-1 is fake. He didn't have that many fights and he has at least 2 losses.

Ya, I've questioned the 396-1 claims. I recall that he even said at one point that people were telling him that it was his record, and he seemed to imply that he was just going along with those claims despite not knowing what his amateur record really was.

I know he lost to Selimov and but who was the other loss to :?? The only other hick-up I know of is the fight with the Brazilian that was overturned in his favor.