IF RICKY HATTON HAD BEEN TRAINED BY THE INGLES...?
Posted: 25 Sep 2014, 20:45
How would his career have differed? Ingle defence combined with pure Mancunian aggression. Thoughts?
Agreed. His angles were his main attribute. Move to the side, body punch. Move to the side, uppercutmickey1975 wrote:I thought his footwork and angles were superb and Billy was an established, excellent trainer.
I dunno, always thought he got WAY to much credit for that victory. Tackie wasn't the beast that sky portrayed him, and quite easily outboxed at top level.veriton wrote:
anyone who thinks ricky couldnt box textbook style should watch the ben tackie fight.
Not a suggestion. Just a question.veriton wrote:silly suggestion...he would have tried to turn him into witter.
anyone who thinks ricky couldnt box textbook style should watch the ben tackie fight.
4 beheadings and a funeral?Riddick Blowe wrote:IF CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST HAD BEEN DIRECTED BY RICHARD CURTIS...?
Yeah I feel like he peaked vs Ray Oliveira. I remember thinking he was razor-sharp that night.jamesmcdonnell wrote:I think Hatton wasted his best years with that meaningless strap, he had excellent footwork when he was young, he was very quick and his angles were what made him so effective. After Tszyu, he seemed to become far more one dimensional and square on. I think by then the years of getting pissed as a fart and having 13 week training camps, a month or more of which was just to lose the weight he piled on between fights took it's toll and he lost the quickness and cuteness. He also started headhunting more, partly I think because at top level, his body attack was too predictable, but also because he wasn't able to generate the angles that made the body attack so effective any more.
Tackie wasn't a brilliant fighter and like you say he was outboxed at the top level, but Hatton was one of the few to outbox him and if he couldn't box his way through a fight, he would have been dragged into a war by Tackie and ended up having a far harder night than he needed to.stevieb_8006 wrote:I dunno, always thought he got WAY to much credit for that victory. Tackie wasn't the beast that sky portrayed him, and quite easily outboxed at top level.veriton wrote:
anyone who thinks ricky couldnt box textbook style should watch the ben tackie fight.
His fans bang on and on about his 'underrated' boxing ability on the strength of Ben tackie.
stevieb_8006 wrote:I dunno, always thought he got WAY to much credit for that victory. Tackie wasn't the beast that sky portrayed him, and quite easily outboxed at top level.veriton wrote:
anyone who thinks ricky couldnt box textbook style should watch the ben tackie fight.
His fans bang on and on about his 'underrated' boxing ability on the strength of Ben tackie.
mickey1975 wrote:I thought his footwork and angles were superb and Billy was an established, excellent trainer.
You won best post of the week for that pal :)palooka wrote:4 beheadings and a funeral?Riddick Blowe wrote:IF CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST HAD BEEN DIRECTED BY RICHARD CURTIS...?
I'm sure you are right since you were there. I still stand by my post though as he just lost his way after tszyu with all that grabbing, whatever the reasons for it.Terry Dooley wrote:They actually weren't "drinking buddies" at that point. I was there post-Kostya,a lot. They socialised separately. Tszyu was top, top level and it was close combat angles that beat him.Tomasino wrote:mickey1975 wrote:I thought his footwork and angles were superb and Billy was an established, excellent trainer.
His training was shown up as being shite for the top level though. Ricky's footwork and angles were good vs domestic and WBS level fight but not as he stepped up. It's no secret he regressed after Tszyu but it prob started well before that. Him and Billy were drinking buddies don't think it did his career any good however he obviously had a great run and some good wins despite all of that.
I had a top boxing brain back then, but Billy elevated my understanding of pressure fighters and to say Ricky didn't progress as he stepped up is pure nonsense. He had the style to trouble Kostya, but angles beat KT.
Ricky's main mistake was replacing Billy with the pure opposite in Mayweather Senior. That was a huge mistake and did for him. As I said on here at the time, and was Pariah'd for it.
You could copy this to the, quite frankly ludicrous, Ricky/Ingle thread. Ricky and Billy were a dream match. My only concession would be that, in the end, Billy needed a pad man, but you're in a pit of snakes so who do you trust?
Billy Graham possess the best boxing brain I've come across, and I've spoken to a fair few astute people.
Billy used to do his physical sessions, then the fighters would do scenario based movements. They'd talk through different in-ring possibilities. Graham's former fighters still talk about that side of training. It's a lost art. Steward did it with Lewis.
I've spent hours conversating with experts, if I was about to die, I'd request 10 mins boxing talk with Graham.
That's not just me, either, all of my biggest interviews have stemmed from the fact I've worked with Graham.
He's a fooking nutter, but he's our nutter.
in hattons book he speaks of going on the piss with graham as a young boxer....running up bar bills and doing runners.....far better british trainers who set there boxers a good example.....Terry Dooley wrote:They actually weren't "drinking buddies" at that point. I was there post-Kostya,a lot. They socialised separately. Tszyu was top, top level and it was close combat angles that beat him.Tomasino wrote:mickey1975 wrote:I thought his footwork and angles were superb and Billy was an established, excellent trainer.
His training was shown up as being shite for the top level though. Ricky's footwork and angles were good vs domestic and WBS level fight but not as he stepped up. It's no secret he regressed after Tszyu but it prob started well before that. Him and Billy were drinking buddies don't think it did his career any good however he obviously had a great run and some good wins despite all of that.
I had a top boxing brain back then, but Billy elevated my understanding of pressure fighters and to say Ricky didn't progress as he stepped up is pure nonsense. He had the style to trouble Kostya, but angles beat KT.
Ricky's main mistake was replacing Billy with the pure opposite in Mayweather Senior. That was a huge mistake and did for him. As I said on here at the time, and was Pariah'd for it.
You could copy this to the, quite frankly ludicrous, Ricky/Ingle thread. Ricky and Billy were a dream match. My only concession would be that, in the end, Billy needed a pad man, but you're in a pit of snakes so who do you trust?
Billy Graham possess the best boxing brain I've come across, and I've spoken to a fair few astute people.
Billy used to do his physical sessions, then the fighters would do scenario based movements. They'd talk through different in-ring possibilities. Graham's former fighters still talk about that side of training. It's a lost art. Steward did it with Lewis.
I've spent hours conversating with experts, if I was about to die, I'd request 10 mins boxing talk with Graham.
That's not just me, either, all of my biggest interviews have stemmed from the fact I've worked with Graham.
He's a fooking nutter, but he's our nutter.