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Why? Everywhere in my city and even the surrounding outskirts nothing but Mixed Martial Arts gyms...even new ones that are in the works...

I'm a member of the most exclusive chain gym in my city and I see groups of amatuer mma fighters all the time cutting weight at the gyms

at night. I am speaking of not pro but now mma has an amatuer circuit. I have yet to see amatuer boxers and I have the type of membership

that lets me frequent multiple gym locations I am telling you guys boxing really is about to eventually be taken over by the UFC.

Don't believe me?

Go take a stride through your local grocery or Barnes and Nobles magezine rack and tell me how many MMA publications you notice vs boxing

I'm glad to see your still making your epilepti-posts.

No troll, they've peaked already. The product is now watered down and they don't have the ability to develop and create superstars the way boxing promoters can. This was a fun topic in 2005.

I'm just talking from my own personal experience of what I notice on a day to day basis. Lots of young mma propsects I see them practically

everyday no matter if its the northside location, south, southwest, northeast, etc... Lots of new mma gyms young fighters...

It's rare to see amatuer boxers in the gyms always MMA. I assure you this time boxing will take a second to mma after Floyd retires. I really

do mean it..... I am speaking of the numbers...the actual contrast of mma fighter as opposed to young boxers and the amout of young mma

fighter HEAVILY outweighs boxing.

Why would FMJ be stopping UFC from taking over now?

ttornado wrote:Why would FMJ be stopping UFC from taking over now?

That's actually a reasonable and well thought out question.

In other words, you could probably better serve humanity somewhere else.

I mean, CS is already the insane asylum of Boxrec, and Bnovelist threads are like the insane asylum of CS.

That would be really amazing if the UFC took over boxing after Floyd. I'd vote against it since its a whole other mfing sport though but I do think Dana White is an underrated genius so who knows.

Floyd isn't even fun to watch, how is he keeping UFC down???? U telling me UFC fanbase is so weak that they would forget all about them to watch Floyd talk shit and run.

ttornado wrote:Why would FMJ be stopping UFC from taking over now?

He's not... And it kinda is.

it already has.... years ago.... this is not news

bnovelist wrote:I'm just talking from my own personal experience of what I notice on a day to day basis. Lots of young mma propsects I see them practically

everyday no matter if its the northside location, south, southwest, northeast, etc... Lots of new mma gyms young fighters...

It's rare to see amatuer boxers in the gyms always MMA. I assure you this time boxing will take a second to mma after Floyd retires. I really

do mean it..... I am speaking of the numbers...the actual contrast of mma fighter as opposed to young boxers and the amout of young mma

fighter HEAVILY outweighs boxing.

You SEE young prospects in MMA but you don't see guys like Kosei Tanaka, Stamp Kiatniwat, Keisuke Matsumoto, Juuki Tatsuyoshi, Takuma Inoue...

...boxing is VERY strong in terms of young prospects

Boxing Prospect wrote:

bnovelist wrote:I'm just talking from my own personal experience of what I notice on a day to day basis. Lots of young mma propsects I see them practically

everyday no matter if its the northside location, south, southwest, northeast, etc... Lots of new mma gyms young fighters...

It's rare to see amatuer boxers in the gyms always MMA. I assure you this time boxing will take a second to mma after Floyd retires. I really

do mean it..... I am speaking of the numbers...the actual contrast of mma fighter as opposed to young boxers and the amout of young mma

fighter HEAVILY outweighs boxing.

You SEE young prospects in MMA but you don't see guys like Kosei Tanaka, Stamp Kiatniwat, Keisuke Matsumoto, Juuki Tatsuyoshi, Takuma Inoue...

...boxing is VERY strong in terms of young prospects

The thing is, only hardcore boxing fans know any of those names. I have been following boxing for nearly 20 years. And I am not familiar with those guys. I guess you can call me a fair-weather fan, but I have a feeling none of those names are going to be selling big PPVs at any time in their careers. But I've been wrong before.

Impractical Poster wrote:

Boxing Prospect wrote:

bnovelist wrote:I'm just talking from my own personal experience of what I notice on a day to day basis. Lots of young mma propsects I see them practically

everyday no matter if its the northside location, south, southwest, northeast, etc... Lots of new mma gyms young fighters...

It's rare to see amatuer boxers in the gyms always MMA. I assure you this time boxing will take a second to mma after Floyd retires. I really

do mean it..... I am speaking of the numbers...the actual contrast of mma fighter as opposed to young boxers and the amout of young mma

fighter HEAVILY outweighs boxing.

You SEE young prospects in MMA but you don't see guys like Kosei Tanaka, Stamp Kiatniwat, Keisuke Matsumoto, Juuki Tatsuyoshi, Takuma Inoue...

...boxing is VERY strong in terms of young prospects

The thing is, only hardcore boxing fans know any of those names. I have been following boxing for nearly 20 years. And I am not familiar with those guys. I guess you can call me a fair-weather fan, but I have a feeling none of those names are going to be selling big PPVs at any time in their careers. But I've been wrong before.

You're right they won't be selling PPV's because they are in countries and divisions where PPV's don't tend to come around. If you're focus on the sport is on PPV then it's a shame as Naoya Inoue's last fight got around 10,000,000 viewers a number that dwarfs the PPV figures of any active fighter.

The idea that all fighters must be on PPV to say they've made it is bizarre to say the least

Boxing Prospect wrote: You're right they won't be selling PPV's because they are in countries and divisions where PPV's don't tend to come around. If you're focus on the sport is on PPV then it's a shame as Naoya Inoue's last fight got around 10,000,000 viewers a number that dwarfs the PPV figures of any active fighter.

The idea that all fighters must be on PPV to say they've made it is bizarre to say the least

Those are crazy numbers. Where do you get those numbers? Anyhow, don't you think Gonzalez had more to do for the big views than Inoue?

I understand that boxing is more well known and participated in on a world wide level. Relatively speaking, MMA is still an infant compared to boxing. It has been said that he US is the mecca of boxing. And it has been pretty much taken over by MMA. MMA, specifically, the UFC is still trying to infiltrate other countries. As it stands, more people know of Floyd Mayweather in the sport of boxing than any other name. I remember a time when there were quite a few big PPV cards on each year. That has dwindled dramatically. So has participation in Golden Gloves in the US. I feel it is an evolution in combat sports. MMA has taken over in countries like the US, Canada, and Brazil. It is only a matter of time for the rest of the world.

I don't know. The quality of their PPV's seems to be reaching new lows each time out. From Ronda Rousey to tonight's card featuring some complete unknown name carriaso in the main event and a solid journeyman named Cerrone in the co-headliner. People have to pay $70 for this. WTF

Luckybattles wrote:I don't know. The quality of their PPV's seems to be reaching new lows each time out. From Ronda Rousey to tonight's card featuring some complete unknown name carriaso in the main event and a solid journeyman named Cerrone in the co-headliner. People have to pay $70 for this. WTF

Tonights card is incredible. The main event is a fight I could care less about.

IMO, I do think the UFC are putting out too many cards, via UFC Fight Pass, UFC Fight nights, and the PPVs. And that has been causing some watered down PPVs. They should probably fix that. However, tonight's card has been awesome. Great great match-ups.... Big names.

Impractical Poster wrote:

Luckybattles wrote:I don't know. The quality of their PPV's seems to be reaching new lows each time out. From Ronda Rousey to tonight's card featuring some complete unknown name carriaso in the main event and a solid journeyman named Cerrone in the co-headliner. People have to pay $70 for this. WTF

Tonights card is incredible. The main event is a fight I could care less about.

IMO, I do think the UFC are putting out too many cards, via UFC Fight Pass, UFC Fight nights, and the PPVs. And that has been causing some watered down PPVs. They should probably fix that. However, tonight's card has been awesome. Great great match-ups.... Big names.

BTW, Cerrone is not a journeyman. That's boxing mentality. And this is one of the many reasons why people prefer MMA to boxing these days. Cerrone is a legitimate contender in a stacked division at this point in time.

Impractical Poster wrote:

Boxing Prospect wrote: You're right they won't be selling PPV's because they are in countries and divisions where PPV's don't tend to come around. If you're focus on the sport is on PPV then it's a shame as Naoya Inoue's last fight got around 10,000,000 viewers a number that dwarfs the PPV figures of any active fighter.

The idea that all fighters must be on PPV to say they've made it is bizarre to say the least

Those are crazy numbers. Where do you get those numbers? Anyhow, don't you think Gonzalez had more to do for the big views than Inoue?

I understand that boxing is more well known and participated in on a world wide level. Relatively speaking, MMA is still an infant compared to boxing. It has been said that he US is the mecca of boxing. And it has been pretty much taken over by MMA. MMA, specifically, the UFC is still trying to infiltrate other countries. As it stands, more people know of Floyd Mayweather in the sport of boxing than any other name. I remember a time when there were quite a few big PPV cards on each year. That has dwindled dramatically. So has participation in Golden Gloves in the US. I feel it is an evolution in combat sports. MMA has taken over in countries like the US, Canada, and Brazil. It is only a matter of time for the rest of the world.

Around that number was reported by the Japanese press for just Japan, unlike Gonzalez Inoue's bout was featured live in Thailand and Nicaragua (Gonzalez was live in Nicaragua and tape delay with Inoue in Japan). Though of course all 3 televised bouts had something to do with the card and it's numbers.

US boxing lacks a spark I will fully agree with. It needs another big name fighter with an exciting style, but by no means is boxing dead.

I think it's a big worry that the UFC haven't got a new bankable star as well. Rhonda seems to be THE face of UFC which is a worry now that GSP and Silva seem to have their careers ended. WWE is having a bit of a similar problem where, aside from Cena, there isn't another HUGE draw (Punk could have been that guy and Lesnar is part time).

IMO the PPV has canabilised it's self to the point of alienating fans and in the countries without PPV certain things are flourishing with a new generation of very exciting fighters coming through.

This is an odd topic in 2014 with UFC business at an all time low. Boxing will beat MMA in PPV numbers for the first time since 2005 and the UFC's world wide expansion is sort of smoke and mirrors. Boxing also has the better prospects. Anyway, nice night for both sports.

-goes back to lurking-

Impractical Poster wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

Luckybattles wrote:I don't know. The quality of their PPV's seems to be reaching new lows each time out. From Ronda Rousey to tonight's card featuring some complete unknown name carriaso in the main event and a solid journeyman named Cerrone in the co-headliner. People have to pay $70 for this. WTF

Tonights card is incredible. The main event is a fight I could care less about.

IMO, I do think the UFC are putting out too many cards, via UFC Fight Pass, UFC Fight nights, and the PPVs. And that has been causing some watered down PPVs. They should probably fix that. However, tonight's card has been awesome. Great great match-ups.... Big names.

BTW, Cerrone is not a journeyman. That's boxing mentality. And this is one of the many reasons why people prefer MMA to boxing these days. Cerrone is a legitimate contender in a stacked division at this point in time.

Seems like 2 or 3 fights ago he was probably on the verge of being cut by Dana due to being on the receiving end of some highlight reel knockouts. He got a good win versus the Brazilian and got a new lease in the UFC. That about sums up Cerrone. Cant even say that he is better than Diego Sanchez or Kos

Luckybattles wrote:
Seems like 2 or 3 fights ago he was probably on the verge of being cut by Dana due to being on the receiving end of some highlight reel knockouts. He got a good win versus the Brazilian and got a new lease in the UFC. That about sums up Cerrone. Cant even say that he is better than Diego Sanchez or Kos

No offense, but I take it you don't follow the sport much. No. He was never on the verge of being cut by the UFC. Don't know where you got that information. The man is one of the highest winners of FOTN bonuses on the UFC roster. He was ranked #5 in the lightweight division before he beat Alvarez, who was raked #3 in the world. His last loss was against Dos Anjos 6 fights ago. He has beaten very high level guys since then and has looked spectacular in doing so.

Dacian93 wrote:This is an odd topic in 2014 with UFC business at an all time low. Boxing will beat MMA in PPV numbers for the first time since 2005 and the UFC's world wide expansion is sort of smoke and mirrors. Boxing also has the better prospects. Anyway, nice night for both sports.

-goes back to lurking-

You tracking this that hard? Whats the numbers so far this year? Always seems like official PPV numbers are hard to come by but I'd assume the UFC always wins the PPV battle cuz they got more cards. Boxing has Floyd & Manny & sometimes Miguel or Saul or a random PPV, UFC does a card a month. I guess it looks like the turtle vs the rabbit as the months for any given year start to add up.

The prospect thing might be true although its mainly cuz you don't stay a prospect in MMA for long. MMA is like amateur boxing. You keep winning & you move up til you beat everybody or you lose. In boxing most prospects just beat up bums for 2-3 years & than start fighting guys who can progressively fog up a mirror more & more.

Forget about the PPV numbers for second! Erase that notion for a second I am talking about the countless mainstream mma magezines

publications they are all over the place not just covering the UFC but all of the mma organizations Strikeforce, Bellator, etc.. The many

mma front panel coverages the way espn boxing does for our sport, the countless coverage on UFC during a big fight weigh ins, the countless

mma gyms I'm seeing EVERYDAY ALL OVER THE PLACE!

Let's be honest....Mayweather, Pac, and Cotto are on their way out!!!!! I'd give them another 2-3yrs regardless of what they say about retirement

Floyd will continue to fight as long as he stays undefeated he ain't passing up on 40million dollar payday fighting whoever he wants whatever.

2017 Floyd will still be fighting

Back to the debate just admit that MOST of the younger generation is taking up mma.....Admit it.....

Tell me clothing line over the years hasn't done wonders for marketing the UFC? I've banged several chicks wearing these shirts

seriously!!! http://www.afflictionclothing.com/magen ... affliction

I swear the women will think you are semi crazy and don't take any sh*t from nobody! That in bed you'll be verbal about what you really want

sexually, will trade a woman in like used car if need be, etc.... This is all thanks to the mma!!!!!!!! I havn't gotten any pus*y that's boxing

related

So honestly if I had to pick I'd drop boxing in a second

You see boxing doesn't have a clothing line affiliation that's considered HOT!

I have never gotten laid all my years of ordering PPVs, going to sports bars, all of it!

Sex wise MMA has delivered countless times

MMA culture has abled me to follow strange women home at 2am in the morning leaving hole in the ground bars and pubs. You guys havnt had my

experiences so you'd never relate.

Wear this shirt with some stain washed jeans, five o'clock shadow, and some nice cologne at a bar one night and watch what happens!!!!!!!!!

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Watch how different and unique the woman find you in comparison to the other lamo guys

Oh yes Bnovelist knows his stuff.......

Boxing has none of this type of fashion going on....all of the millions they produce no hot like fire gear that's some sorry sh*t.