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Pretty interesting development. http://www.BS.com/kathy-duva-o ... rts--82757

Seems like we're moving towards there being 3 "major" US promoters instead of just two. Sadly it looks like one of them isn't going to work with the others too frequently.

I also don't really understand how what Heymon's doing is legal. He's ostensibly a manager, but he appears to be negotiating with NBC as a promoter. It's pretty shady.

Just a few months ago Main Events was suing Haymon, jesus christ.

pugilisticprofessor wrote:Just a few months ago Main Events was suing Haymon, jesus christ.

It's interesting though huh. Was part of Haymon's thinking behind doing this deal, to get one over on Duva for the lawsuit?

fergusg wrote:

lefty wrote:Pretty interesting development. http://www.BS.com/kathy-duva-o ... rts--82757

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 2#p4067242

Nevermind. It's due a seperate thread of it's own anyway. It's quite a big development.

lefty wrote: It's interesting though huh. Was part of Haymon's thinking behind doing this deal, to get one over on Duva for the lawsuit?

If Haymon was wanting to get some retribution against Main Events then Hopkins wouldn't be fighting Kovalev. That fight was made the lawsuit dropped and Duva has powerful promoter to make fights with. But that isn't to say Haymon isn't contravening the Ali Act, just it doesn't seem anyone cares enough to force a prosecution.

ttornado wrote:

lefty wrote: It's interesting though huh. Was part of Haymon's thinking behind doing this deal, to get one over on Duva for the lawsuit?

If Haymon was wanting to get some retribution against Main Events then Hopkins wouldn't be fighting Kovalev. That fight was made the lawsuit dropped and Duva has powerful promoter to make fights with. But that isn't to say Haymon isn't contravening the Ali Act, just it doesn't seem anyone cares enough to force a prosecution.

I didnt know that Haymon manages/advises Hopkins? I thought Hopkins was self managed.

Pretty sure Hopkins is not signed with Heymon, which is possibly why Hopkins/Stevenson never happened.

Watch them sign a contract with NBC and then watch Hopkins pull out a day later

lefty wrote: I didnt know that Haymon manages/advises Hopkins? I thought Hopkins was self managed.

He isn't signed with Haymon in the same way other (lesser!) fighters are, but Hopkins calls him a close friend. Hopkins also declared his loyalty to Haymon after the Shumenov fight, http://www.BS.com/bernard-hopk ... lev--76940

ttornado wrote:

lefty wrote: It's interesting though huh. Was part of Haymon's thinking behind doing this deal, to get one over on Duva for the lawsuit?

If Haymon was wanting to get some retribution against Main Events then Hopkins wouldn't be fighting Kovalev. That fight was made the lawsuit dropped and Duva has powerful promoter to make fights with. But that isn't to say Haymon isn't contravening the Ali Act, just it doesn't seem anyone cares enough to force a prosecution.

Haymon most likely tried to block Hopkins v Kovalev: http://thaboxingvoice.com/haymon-out-pl ... s-in/28799

ALI wrote:Haymon most likely tried to block Hopkins v Kovalev: http://thaboxingvoice.com/haymon-out-pl ... s-in/28799

It isn't clear the Kovalev fight was attempted to be blocked by Haymon. But most careful observers could see that the Stevenson fight was being blocked, which forced the Kovalev fight .

"But they didn't understand that I already had a deal to fight Kovalev. Nobody thought I was going to fight Kovalev. Even the other side, they thought it was a bluff. Somebody tried to call my bluff and it got called. But it got called against them [Team Stevenson] and not me. At the end of the day - they were anticipating that I was going to give up the title and the young guy who fought Campillo, who is on his last legs, was going to beat by the youngster and then the youngster was in line to fight [Mohumaddi] for the IBF title."

http://www.BS.com/?m=show&opt= ... e&id=80628

Haymon bringing boxing back to the people

Don King made a point once ... some promoter got caught doing some illegal shit and all the interviewer (I think it was Jim Rome) was trying to do is pin some guilt on King. Don King said something like "How is it that you have found this guy doing something illegal, but he's not the story? Instead, you are trying to focus on me." Paraphrase.

That's how I feel about all this Haymon hate. Boxing fans and announcers have submitted to corruption by commission, belt organization and established promoters. However, some people are trying to portray Haymon as this boogeyman. How about we fix the things we ALL KNOW are fucked up before we focus on Haymon?

It's like the idiots who ignore blatant government corruption while searching for the Illuminati.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:That's how I feel about all this Haymon hate. Boxing fans and announcers have submitted to corruption by commission, belt organization and established promoters. However, some people are trying to portray Haymon as this boogeyman. How about we fix the things we ALL KNOW are fucked up before we focus on Haymon?

It's like the idiots who ignore blatant government corruption while searching for the Illuminati.

The issue isn't anything with quite so much gravitas as government corruption. People just don't like Heymon because he is reticent to work with other promoters and because he's put a lot of his high-profile fighters in squash matches for promotional purposes lately. It's not so much corruption, it's just crap matchmaking that's bad for fans of the sport.

ttornado wrote:

Innit.

Bad Intentions wrote:That's how I feel about all this Haymon hate. Boxing fans and announcers have submitted to corruption by commission, belt organization and established promoters. However, some people are trying to portray Haymon as this boogeyman. How about we fix the things we ALL KNOW are fucked up before we focus on Haymon?

You mean, fixing things like sending Lamon Brewster out with one eye & misplacing the test results, mebbe? Or fixing the removal of all competitive boxing to PPV, with non-PPV being used for televised executions featuring the
PPV fighters to hype it? Or Jermain Taylor not only being allowed to fight with half his neurons hanging out, but fighting for a belt?

Stuff like that? We should fix stuff like that first?

Yes, Haymon is no angel. But you guys are describing things that other promoters have been doing for years.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Yes, Haymon is no angel. But you guys are describing things that other promoters have been doing for years.

Everyone else gets it. As they should. They're slime.

Guess what? He's slime too.

So why the leap to defend him?

Datsue wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Yes, Haymon is no angel. But you guys are describing things that other promoters have been doing for years.

Everyone else gets it. As they should. They're slime.

Guess what? He's slime too.

So why the leap to defend him?

I'm not defending him. If it were up to me, there'd be no promoters or leeches by other names.

All I'm saying is that there is a high level of focus on Haymon as if these problems aren't completely prevalent.

The focus should be on all of them.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote: I'm not defending him. If it were up to me, there'd be no promoters or leeches by other names.

All I'm saying is that there is a high level of focus on Haymon as if these problems aren't completely prevalent.

The focus should be on all of them.

The focus is all on of them, but Oscar and Bob give regular interviews and show some accountability through speaking public.
Haymon has stayed consistently in the shadows, so of course speculation around his aims will be greater. From what we know he does pay his fighters well and takes a smaller manager percentage than the standard cut. But on the negative side is Brewster, and now Taylor.

ttornado wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote: I'm not defending him. If it were up to me, there'd be no promoters or leeches by other names.

All I'm saying is that there is a high level of focus on Haymon as if these problems aren't completely prevalent.

The focus should be on all of them.

The focus is all on of them, but Oscar and Bob give regular interviews and show some accountability through speaking public.
Haymon has stayed consistently in the shadows, so of course speculation around his aims will be greater. From what we know he does pay his fighters well and takes a smaller manager percentage than the standard cut. But on the negative side is Brewster, and now Taylor.

Typical BS ... just because two liars sit and talk to you, you feel more comfortable even though you know they are lying.

1. Taylor is not even close to the worst voluntary defense ... not even close ... I'm sure if we'd list all the voluntuary defenses this year, he'd probably not be among the 10 worst.

2. Speaking of title shots ... Canelo got his first belt against Ricky Hatton's brother. 154 pound fighter beats unranked 147 pound fighter for title. Anyone who is slightly annoyed by Taylor/Soliman should still be fuming over that BS ... but it was quickly forgotten.

Don't worry sheep ... Haymon is the boogeyman.

ttornado wrote: The focus is all on of them, but Oscar and Bob give regular interviews and show some accountability through speaking public.
Haymon has stayed consistently in the shadows

I'd hope the guys who are promoters are more prolific interviewers. At the end of the day despite all the play he gets Al is a manager. You won't see a lot of pure manager interviews in general so this ain't even that odd a thing.

I'd hope the guys who are promoters are more prolific interviewers. At the end of the day despite all the play he gets Al is a manager. You won't see a lot of pure manager interviews in general so this ain't even that odd a thing.

How many managers have Haymon's influence?

crusader wrote:

I'd hope the guys who are promoters are more prolific interviewers. At the end of the day despite all the play he gets Al is a manager. You won't see a lot of pure manager interviews in general so this ain't even that odd a thing.

How many managers have Haymon's influence?

No clue what that has to do with managers not really doing interviews. About the only guy I can recall seeing interviewed more than once is that obese guy who managed/s Tim & a lot of other promising guys who usually eff with TR.