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fornicating travesty, I did not give de la hoya a round I would not be so pissed off if sturm was a name, but to rob a young fighter like that is awful. The man won the fight and I feel embarresed once again for being a boxing fan. Same goes for the earl fight earlier. Damn I hate this sport sometimes!

Dunno about not giving Hoya a round, I'd disagree with that but I agree in priciple, Sturm won

Wasn't really a great night for boxing, was it?

Just like Vanzie, i had Sturm winning by two rounds. It showed on De La Hoya's face at the end who he thought had won. He was the most surprised out of everyone. DLH is a proud and honest bloke, and he'll know he got a bit of a gift when he watches the tape.

glittermonkey wrote:Wasn't really a great night for boxing, was it?

Just like Vanzie, i had Sturm winning by two rounds. It showed on De La Hoya's face at the end who he thought had won. He was the most surprised out of everyone. DLH is a proud and honest bloke, and he'll know he got a bit of a gift when he watches the tape.

Totally agree mate, De La Hoyas face at the post fight interview told you all you neened to know.

It was a close fight but I have no doubt in my mind Sturm won. in the post fight interview Sturm came across well I thought and he seems an intelligent bloke who knew excactly waht had just happened. The German deserves a few high profile high payed fights after this verdict.

I had it 114-114, it was a real good, real close fight, very enjoyable. Sturm never threw a combination, all single shots, but most were landing. Oscar's body attack was incessant.
I gave De La Hoya rounds 1,2 & 4 then rounds 6,10 & 12. Alot of the rounds could've gone either way as could've the decision.
One thing's for sure, Oscar is no middleweight, it looked like a welterweight against a super-middleweight in there. He's clearly fighting way over his natural weight.

Think what Bernard is gonna do to him.

Just had a quick look at some USA sites, most of them seem to think that De La Hoya lost the fight.

I thought light middle was a big jump for him but middle seems 2 steps too far.

He should have fought Winky and tempted Tito to come back to light middle

I had it 114-114 aswell, my card was as Jim's, but I gave the first to DLH.

I think if people watch it with the sound down the scoring were be alot closer. I'm not saying Jim and Ian were wrong in their assessment, but I think they were so gob smacked by DLH's performance / Staum being a surprise that they were over emphisising Staum's work and overly critisicing DLH's. In some ways it was like Jim and Duke on the Tarver vs Jones first fight

On the rest, I agree DLH is no middle, he would be more effective coming in at 11 stone (with some jewerley to make the weight). His punches have got no snap at 11 st 6, so he might as well utilise what advantages he has over Hopkins to the full and focus on Speed and mobility.

He would be much better and its the only way I can see him winning, he's got to fight ala Johnny Nelson when he steps up.

stujones wrote:I had it 114-114 aswell, my card was as Jim's, but I gave the first to DLH.

I think if people watch it with the sound down the scoring were be alot closer. I'm not saying Jim and Ian were wrong in their assessment, but I think they were so gob smacked by DLH's performance / Staum being a surprise that they were over emphisising Staum's work and overly critisicing DLH's. In some ways it was like Jim and Duke on the Tarver vs Jones first fight

On the rest, I agree DLH is no middle, he would be more effective coming in at 11 stone (with some jewerley to make the weight). His punches have got no snap at 11 st 6, so he might as well utilise what advantages he has over Hopkins to the full and focus on Speed and mobility.

He would be much better and its the only way I can see him winning, he's got to fight ala Johnny Nelson when he steps up.

Good post.

Well I was very drunk when I posted to start this thread and would maybe give a few rounds to De La Hoya, but I am surprised that anyone would give him the draw or the win. I think this is just another inexcusable decision that hurts boxing in the longer term, which needs to be considered more than the pretty little hoya's legacy (tainted on the sixth title, surely he should have had ot win it fair and square) and pocket.

I think that it is reasonably clear to see that the body shots that certain people are pretending won him the fight mainly come of Sturm's defense (which was very good), but going the other way Sturm had a lot of real success.

As for the commentary, I got the feeling a few times that we were being built up for the robbery, but then again, we all knew that there would be one if the fight did not go according to plan.

Edit: Also this takes away from De La Hoya's credibility when he says that as a promoter he is going to clean up boxing and its rankings and scoring systems.

Im thinking middle was maybe a step too far for de la hoya, he didnt look the same and looked weighed down and chubby, i hope he does alot better for the hopkins fight for his sake

I wonder if Oscar will call for hi-level investigation regarding the
judging of this fight?


Nah I doubt it 8)

So Watt had it a draw? What about Darke? I watched it on German tv, and while I didn't score it, it didn't look too outrageous to me. Maybe because I knew the judges would give Oscar ALL the close rounds, based on those blinding combinations.

Even though Strum's guard stopped most getting through. Punch stats I read were -
Oscar lands 188 of 792, 24%
Sturm lands 234 of 541, 43%

So Felix can rightly feel hard done by. Good fighter, you could see all that amateur experience straight away.
Oscar got a surprise when Strum stood up to his opening assault without batting an eyelid.

And if I didn't know better, I'd say Hopkings carried Allen. Maybe worried about scaring off DLH??

He didn't seem like he was trying to finish off Allen, after he'd pole-axed him mid fight. He was smothering his work, which seemed an odd thing for a fighter of Hopkin's experience to be doing.

Total Punches
De La Hoya: 188/792
Sturm: 234/541

Jabs
De La Hoya: 58/398
Sturm: 112/306

Power Punches
De La Hoya: 130/394
Sturm: 122/235

What a gift decision for De La Hoya. Christ .... I'm having a few grand on Hopkins......

DOG wrote:I wonder if Oscar will call for hi-level investigation regarding the
judging of this fight?


Nah I doubt it 8)

Nice one!

MightyWarrior wrote:So Watt had it a draw? What about Darke? I watched it on German tv, and while I didn't score it, it didn't look too outrageous to me. Maybe because I knew the judges would give Oscar ALL the close rounds, based on those blinding combinations.

Even though Strum's guard stopped most getting through. Punch stats I read were -
Oscar lands 188 of 792, 24%
Sturm lands 234 of 541, 43%

So Felix can rightly feel hard done by. Good fighter, you could see all that amateur experience straight away.
Oscar got a surprise when Strum stood up to his opening assault without batting an eyelid.

And if I didn't know better, I'd say Hopkings carried Allen. Maybe worried about scaring off DLH??

He didn't seem like he was trying to finish off Allen, after he'd pole-axed him mid fight. He was smothering his work, which seemed an odd thing for a fighter of Hopkin's experience to be doing.

Jim Watt scored it for Straum 115-113.

What I said was my card was as Jim's except for the 1st round (He scored it for Straum, I scored it for DLH).

Ian Darke to scored it for Straum, although his card was unclear - he had DLH a fair bit ahead during the middle part (well, he said futher than Watt). He scored the last four rounds to Straum though which I thought was harsh (especially the last).

So I suppose there is an argument for both fighters (If you score the fight ala Darke early on and Watt later on, DLH would be a fairly clear winner).

It was close, on 2nd viewing you do start to appreciaite the DLH's quanitity, whilst his shots were not as hard, they were not pitta pattas and were scoring shots.

MightyWarrior wrote:And if I didn't know better, I'd say Hopkings carried Allen. Maybe worried about scaring off DLH??

Maybe it's an interesting thought and stranger things have happened.

Personnaly I think Hopkins could just see that huge DLH payday in a few months and didn't want to risk getting badly cut or KO'd by a 'lucky' punch.

Oscar looked terrible carrying the weight. He should just train for 154, assuming he was comfortable there and can actually make the weight. You know for sure that Hopkins will come in just over 160, maybe 170 - he always has - and won't be one of these bloated 190 pounders come fight night. Oscar should just do what he needs to to be comfortable, as Jones did against Ruiz - proof that a weight discrepancy is not a death sentence. Of course, if Hopkins is the Executioner, Ruiz is the decomposing corpse in that comparative analogy.

It can be done, though. Look at Leonard-Hagler, a scorecard robbery to many. Leonard was much more at home in the 160 lb range having come out of retirement. That "layoff" was a long period of time during which he trained hard and naturally gained the weight and, history tells us, ultimately the presence of a MW. He was also not coming off recent challenging bouts as Oscar is, long shot or no.

And even a much lighter Oscar will not make the most recent version of Hopkins look slow. Much admiration for all DLH has done, but he's no Ray Leonard.

He will probably move better against Hopkins. He basically stalked Sturm in all but the late rounds, but it was Sturm deciding where they went. DLH will spend more time going backwards. It is a question then of whether Hopkins can cut him off. If he does, DLH will fight admirably but there's no way he can handle the technical proficiency and thuggery of Hop.

stujones wrote: It was close, on 2nd viewing you do start to appreciaite the DLH's quanitity, whilst his shots were not as hard, they were not pitta pattas and were scoring shots.

When I watched the fight again yesterday, rounds that I scored for Sturm I re-scored for De La Hoya and vice versa, for me, all the signs of a very close fight.
Interestingly, respected journalist of the Boston Globe, Ron Borges had Oscar a 116-112 winner, APs Tim Dahlberg had it a draw (114-114) and notorious De La Hoya critic Tim Smith (New York Daily News) also had it level at 114 each.

Ulysses wrote:respected journalist of the Boston Globe, Ron Borges had Oscar a 116-112 winner

Respected by whom? Guy's a feckin' dildo...

But yeah, "robbery" is too strong - "completely unimpressive performance against an unproven fighter virtually unknown outside of Germany. A fight that many people though Sturm won, and which in fact Sturm won handily on the punchstats, making it reminiscent of another recent closely-contested De La Hoya fight which happened not to go DLH's way, and where an 'outraged' DLH and Bob Arum afterward called for a 'federal investigation' into what they alleged was corrupt judging..."

Fair enough?

You don't win rounds just for effort. Sturm blocked most of what DLH threw, and I'm sorry but those punches don't score.

yip and anyone clock that Sturm obviously had out trained oscar for this one, just kept his guard high and said slap me in the body as much as you like golden boy, it aint gonna take me out.