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Opponents of Floyd talk about memories and experiences of boxing Floyd and offer ideas of what it will take to beat him.
Most interesting comments by Miguel Cotto, Justin Juuko and Vivian Harris, who was ducked by Floyd...

http://spam.com/articles/facing-floyd

The key to beating Mayweather is to have a constantly changing gameplan/approach....

He will adapt to anything that is put to him, but it may take him a round or two to make the adjustments....so you have to go in with a really fluid plan and keep changing it crucially BEFORE he's adjusted. You require a very astute corner team and a very versatile, trusting fighter who is prepared to have faith in the plan and change tact even if its working. But once Floyd has made the adjustment its too late.

We've seen various fighters have success with crowding tactics, or boxing on the back foot behind a jab at times, and dirty stuff can unsettle him. But he'll adjust to it all if given time. Don't allow him time, a constantly fluid plan that'll have him having to reset his adjustments and playing tactical catchup. Massive ask but that is the best route to cracking the code.

Edit....just read the article and Cotto touched on what i said, with his comments about how Pac would pose Floyd problems because he doesn't have a rhythm and so Floyd would struggle to 'predict' him. Not sure he's right about Pac having the beating of Floyd, but tactically that's the way. Got to keep Mayweather guessing and having to make adjustments all the time.

This Scoop guy is a f#cking knuckleheaded Floyd hater from way back. And it appears the two most dramatic remarks are by a guy who never fought Floyd in a article that's supposed to be thoughts of guys who fought Floyd & a remark seemingly attributed to Miguel confirmed by some cat I've never heard of. Rather have seen Raincoat do a feature like this than this assclown hack.

It's not hate to say Floyd is a coward duck, we know he is.

It's not hate to say Pacquiao would destroy Floyd, even Floyd knows it and that's why he keeps ducking the fight with Pacquiao.

"The truth is hate to those who hate the truth."

montrealsuper wrote:It's not hate to say Floyd is a coward duck, we know he is.

It's not hate to say Pacquiao would destroy Floyd, even Floyd knows it and that's why he keeps ducking the fight with Pacquiao.

"The truth is hate to those who hate the truth."

Floyd ducked Vivian Harris ... seriously? Maybe you're 13 and don't remember that the night Floyd destroyed Gatti. Vivian Harris was on the undercard with an opportunity to prove himself after talking shit about Floyd. If he would have won, that fight would have been next.

What happened?

So, it is hate to make up scenarios that fit your negative view of someone.

Th Way I see it is IF Floyd REALLY wanted the fight it would have happened by now. He's in a powerful enough position to demand that.

What I believe is he "advisors" (call them what a like) behind the scenes are along with Floyd of course choosing not to travel that route and to protect the cash cow as if Floyd looses he looses his mystic. A major selling point for him. People tune in to see if he wll FINALY loose. So why Risk that against Pacquaio? Question: Will FLoyd still make 40mil plus paydays i he was to loose to Pacman

Should've stopped reading as soon as I saw it was written by Scoop Malinowski. Instead, stopped reading when it said Cotto challenged Mayweather in 2008 when Cotto never dared to do so, even when practically being begged to in post-fight interviews, and instead toed the line with "I'll fight who my team puts in front of me."

[quote="montrealsuper"]Opponents of Floyd talk about memories and experiences of boxing Floyd and offer ideas of what it will take to beat him.
Most interesting comments by Miguel Cotto, Justin Juuko and Vivian Harris, who was ducked by Floyd...

http://spam.com/articles/facing-floyd[/quote

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Cotto called out Floyd in 2008...

It's the most important and exciting match that can be made in boxing today - Floyd Mayweather vs. Miguel Cotto. Two of boxing's very best with contrasting styles and personalities to determine supremacy at welterweight. But that mouth-watering fight may never happen.

"You'll never see it," said Emanuel Steward yesterday at a New York City press conference. "It's a matchup I would love to see. But I don't think Mayweather will ever fight him." When asked if HBO could force it or if Floyd is fearful, Steward replied, "I won't even get into that. I just don't think you'll ever see it."

Bob Arum agreed with Steward's assessment, although a little more vehemently. "I think Mayweather will never ever EVER go into the ring with Miguel Cotto. Ever. EVER." Couldn't HBO force Floyd to fight Cotto? "No. No! Nobody can force him to do it. He won't do it.."

Consider if you will, that those are two insiders, who know the inner workings of boxing's most powerful television network. If they say Mayweather will continue to duck Miguel Cotto (well, in their own diplomatic words at least) then it must be true. We may never see Floyd vs. Cotto - the fight absolutely everyone wants to watch, with the exception of Floyd Mayweather. This is a shame on the overall sport of boxing and it's marketers, promoters, and decision-makers. The sport of Boxing, now under attack from the growing threat and popularity of the UFC, neglecting to make the biggest, most exciting and important match to be made today could be a severe error which could possibly do irreparable damage to the future of the sport. What if more champion boxers choose to duck the best fights? Suppose boxing fans pay another $50 and get another lousy Mayweather-De La Hoya sparring session/business fight - how will they react with their boxing budgets?

And just what does Miguel Cotto think of the handpicking, sidestepping and excuse-making antics of Mayweather? "That's the thing he does for his entire career. He run from the really good boxer kind, he choose the others. I don't know how the people who know about boxing put him in the first place in the pound-for-pound champion."

Those are pretty heavy words from Cotto who will not speak negatively about anyone in boxing. The other reporters at the press conference don't seem interested in probing Cotto about Mayweather's reluctance, so I will. Do you think Mayweather actually is afraid of you? "I don't know what kind of reason he has for choosing another fighter. If you want to be the best you have to fight the best."

You actually believe you will beat Floyd don't you? "I'm pretty sure of that," answers Cotto. When asked why he believes so: "Because of my training. Because of my - I trust a lot in myself. And I'm always do more than 100% in my training sessions."

Cotto says he sees vulnerabilities in Mayweather which he knows how to exploit. "He's quick. He's fast. But when you put pressure on him he closes his mind."

Cotto is such a gentleman you will not hear him say anything worse about Mayweather than that. No, it wasn't Cotto who referred to Mayweather as "Fraud Gayweather," that was Antonio Margarito, who similarly was avoided by Mayweather two years ago. Maybe Cotto's only chance to get his fists on Floyd is to insult and ridicule the hypocritical WBC champ, such as Antonio Tarver had to do to get at Roy Jones.

For now, Cotto will fight Alphonso Gomez on April 12 in Atlantic City. "He wanted the chance. He beat Gatti and Tackie. He's the right opponent for this moment," says Cotto.

If Mayweather continues to avoid a showdown with Cotto, Miguel says his future plans are undecided. "The company said something about fighting the winner of Margarito and Cintron fight but it's nothing clear. But I prefer to stay focused on Gomez."

So Gomez it will be. But what is the one fight Cotto seeks most of all? Cotto's inherent humility and sincerity shines through on his response. "I don't want anybody. The guy who want to fight me. All the big names I want to fight with them."

The welterweight division is stocked high with a diverse array of fascinating talents and personalities. However the most anticipated match up of all, Cotto vs. Mayweather, will not be happening any time soon. Or ever, according to Steward and Arum. But one thing must be understood. None of the blame whatsoever should be directed at Miguel Cotto who has proven time and again he is willing, able and courageous enough to fight the best.



http://www.boxing247.com/weblog/news.php?p=14563&more=1

I'd love to see Roachs Cotto rematch Floyd. The first onewas very very close. I had Floyd stealing the fight in the championship rounds, byt he got Cotto at a good time, as did Austin Trout. It was also the last Floyd fight I actually enjiyed. Since the I think Floyd has seen a significant regression in his 2 crap bouts vs Maidana while Cotto has looked as sharp as he ever has under FR. Cotto wins in rematch unless Floyd can find enough youth in his legs to keep of the ropes.

The Cotto win was weird. There were sequences in that fight where it looked like Cotto was throwing combinations that were intended to miss Floyd. Watch it again. Very weird. It seemed a competitive fight at times and also like a sparring session at times. And it was curious that Floyd didn't want the rematch, like he did for Maidana. For me, the Cotto-Floyd fight was suspicious, as was Floyd-Canelo. I think it's also suspicious that Floyd never talks about fighting Cotto again, because Cotto brings more money than Maidana, with his Puerto Rican fanbase and now the Roach factor. I'm sure Cotto would jump at the chance of a rematch, then face Canelo after. Weird how Cotto is never mentioned as a prospective opponent for Floyd.

Roach recently said that Cotto told him he wasn't in great shape for Floyd, and if he was he'd beat Floyd. It's curious that Cotto failed to get himself into top shape for Floyd isn't it?

montrealsuper wrote:There were sequences in that fight where it looked like Cotto was throwing combinations that were intended to miss Floyd.

Weird how Cotto is never mentioned as a prospective opponent for Floyd.

Cuz it wasn't that close. Floyd won 28 of the 36 rounds scored on judges cards.

Cotto did pretty good vs Floyd but Maidana number #1 was closer fight. Cotto doesn't have speed or stamina for Floydie. Not many-if ANY-does. And I hate FMW

I like the fact he interviewed Harris.

I look forward to his next scintillating interview, "How I would've destroyed Kelly Pavlik, by Eric Crumble".

Ricky_ wrote:I'd love to see Roachs Cotto rematch Floyd. The first onewas very very close. I had Floyd stealing the fight in the championship rounds, byt he got Cotto at a good time, as did Austin Trout. It was also the last Floyd fight I actually enjiyed. Since the I think Floyd has seen a significant regression in his 2 crap bouts vs Maidana while Cotto has looked as sharp as he ever has under FR. Cotto wins in rematch unless Floyd can find enough youth in his legs to keep of the ropes.

A lot of people would look sharp against Martinez. This 'new Cotto' business is kinda silly imo.

ponch wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:I'd love to see Roachs Cotto rematch Floyd. The first onewas very very close. I had Floyd stealing the fight in the championship rounds, byt he got Cotto at a good time, as did Austin Trout. It was also the last Floyd fight I actually enjiyed. Since the I think Floyd has seen a significant regression in his 2 crap bouts vs Maidana while Cotto has looked as sharp as he ever has under FR. Cotto wins in rematch unless Floyd can find enough youth in his legs to keep of the ropes.

A lot of people would look sharp against Martinez. This 'new Cotto' business is kinda silly imo.

On the contrary. It's more the "old" Cotto reinvigorated with his left hook back. His 2 performances under Roach were the best I've seen from Cotto since probably the ssm fight.

lurkyshaka wrote:The key to beating Mayweather is to have a constantly changing gameplan/approach....

He will adapt to anything that is put to him, but it may take him a round or two to make the adjustments....so you have to go in with a really fluid plan and keep changing it crucially BEFORE he's adjusted. You require a very astute corner team and a very versatile, trusting fighter who is prepared to have faith in the plan and change tact even if its working. But once Floyd has made the adjustment its too late.

We've seen various fighters have success with crowding tactics, or boxing on the back foot behind a jab at times, and dirty stuff can unsettle him. But he'll adjust to it all if given time. Don't allow him time, a constantly fluid plan that'll have him having to reset his adjustments and playing tactical catchup. Massive ask but that is the best route to cracking the code.

Edit....just read the article and Cotto touched on what i said, with his comments about how Pac would pose Floyd problems because he doesn't have a rhythm and so Floyd would struggle to 'predict' him. Not sure he's right about Pac having the beating of Floyd, but tactically that's the way. Got to keep Mayweather guessing and having to make adjustments all the time.

I agree just as Bradley agrees with you regarding what you have to do when facing Floyd: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zv-345WCYs

KBB wrote:

lurkyshaka wrote:The key to beating Mayweather is to have a constantly changing gameplan/approach....

He will adapt to anything that is put to him, but it may take him a round or two to make the adjustments....so you have to go in with a really fluid plan and keep changing it crucially BEFORE he's adjusted. You require a very astute corner team and a very versatile, trusting fighter who is prepared to have faith in the plan and change tact even if its working. But once Floyd has made the adjustment its too late.

We've seen various fighters have success with crowding tactics, or boxing on the back foot behind a jab at times, and dirty stuff can unsettle him. But he'll adjust to it all if given time. Don't allow him time, a constantly fluid plan that'll have him having to reset his adjustments and playing tactical catchup. Massive ask but that is the best route to cracking the code.

Edit....just read the article and Cotto touched on what i said, with his comments about how Pac would pose Floyd problems because he doesn't have a rhythm and so Floyd would struggle to 'predict' him. Not sure he's right about Pac having the beating of Floyd, but tactically that's the way. Got to keep Mayweather guessing and having to make adjustments all the time.

I agree just as Bradley agrees with you regarding what you have to do when facing Floyd: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zv-345WCYs

Yeah that's the way....requires such discipline, strength of mind and faith in your corner to make a change even when something seems to be working. A verbal signal/shout from the corner to change tact whenever the corner see fit and the fighter has to have enough trust to comply with the instructions. Got to stay tactically a step ahead so Floyd doesn't know which approach he's up against from minute to minute and keep him in a constant state of adjustment. Helluva ask, but that is the path to taking enough rounds off him to win a decision.

Ricky_ wrote:

ponch wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:I'd love to see Roachs Cotto rematch Floyd. The first onewas very very close. I had Floyd stealing the fight in the championship rounds, byt he got Cotto at a good time, as did Austin Trout. It was also the last Floyd fight I actually enjiyed. Since the I think Floyd has seen a significant regression in his 2 crap bouts vs Maidana while Cotto has looked as sharp as he ever has under FR. Cotto wins in rematch unless Floyd can find enough youth in his legs to keep of the ropes.

A lot of people would look sharp against Martinez. This 'new Cotto' business is kinda silly imo.

On the contrary. It's more the "old" Cotto reinvigorated with his left hook back. His 2 performances under Roach were the best I've seen from Cotto since probably the ssm fight.

So his best performances came when his level of opposition dropped significantly...

ponch wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:

ponch wrote: A lot of people would look sharp against Martinez. This 'new Cotto' business is kinda silly imo.

On the contrary. It's more the "old" Cotto reinvigorated with his left hook back. His 2 performances under Roach were the best I've seen from Cotto since probably the ssm fight.

So his best performances came when his level of opposition dropped significantly...

& also when, if his opponent were a racehorse, the state of his legs meant that he'd've been shot on merciful grounds.

Vivian Harris.
Ducked.



And just a sidenote, Vivian still claims ducking, to this day. Like right now. He says Floyd is ducking him. Currently.

By Viv's standards, boxing itself, as a whole, is actually ducking him. Currently.
He's mad.

ponch wrote: So his best performances came when his level of opposition dropped significantly...

Meh it's easy to criticise after the fact, i picked Sergio. Plus it was a reinvigorated left hook that put Sergio down and subsequently done his knee. But if you ignore the opposotion and loko at Cotto in isolation you can see what he's doing is better, it's sharper, it's snappier. Looking at a fighter in isolation however seems a skill few boxing fans have, many boxing fans are brainless zombies who can only gauge fighters on resume, so never have a true feel of who's doing what.

Ricky_ wrote:

ponch wrote: So his best performances came when his level of opposition dropped significantly...

Meh it's easy to criticise after the fact, i picked Sergio. Plus it was a reinvigorated left hook that put Sergio down and subsequently done his knee. But if you ignore the opposotion and loko at Cotto in isolation you can see what he's doing is better, it's sharper, it's snappier. Looking at a fighter in isolation however seems a skill few boxing fans have, many boxing fans are brainless zombies who can only gauge fighters on resume, so never have a true feel of who's doing what.

You have the skill!

haha jezuzz

Yes, it is much easier to critique a performance after the fight than before it's happened. Sergio was ass.

Sergio wanted to wear knee braces during the fight - that was probably because Cotto left-hooked somebody so hard in sparring that Sergio's knees gave in pre-fight.

fergusg wrote:I found these excuses mildly amusing:
• Louie Leija: "I was six pounds overweight before the fight, I lost the weight. I felt weak."
• Demarcus Corley: [Is there anything you would do differently?] "Be in better shape"
• Shane Mosley: "I wasn't a hundred percent when I fought him."
• Miguel Cotto: "I could always beat Mayweather, but not him and my corner at the same time."
• Angel Manfredy: "I wasn't prepared mentally or physically for the fight."
• Justin Juuko: "I had to lose ten pounds in less than three days... I didn't have enough preparation. "

but I tend to think this is standard. In an individual sport that is as rough as boxing & that has some underlying manly meaning ("if I can beat you in the ring I could probably kill you out the ring if push came to shove") I think you gotta tell lil lies to yourself about why you lost.

An interesting article might be talking to a Reggie Strickland like guy with numerous losses & find out his excuses for losing some if not most of his fights. I'm guessing you could find a few cats with 20+ L's & they'd have some logic on why they lost that didn't involve them being the 2nd best guy in the ring.

montrealsuper wrote:Opponents of Floyd talk about memories and experiences of boxing Floyd and offer ideas of what it will take to beat him.
Most interesting comments by Miguel Cotto, Justin Juuko and Vivian Harris, who was ducked by Floyd...

http://spam.com/articles/facing-floyd

Vivian Harris was ducked by Floyd?? hahahahaha