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ArmaanCFC wrote:Khan and Pacquiao aren't black :P

ponch wrote:

ArmaanCFC wrote:Khan and Pacquiao aren't black :P

wait...

he's ducking Khan, right?

ArmaanCFC wrote:

ponch wrote:

ArmaanCFC wrote:Khan and Pacquiao aren't black :P

wait...

he's ducking Khan, right?

Well it seems so

ArmaanCFC wrote:I think styles make fights and Khan would have been a better option financially and stylistically rather than the Maidana rematch.

ArmaanCFC wrote:I think styles make fights and Khan would have been a better option financially and stylistically rather than the Maidana rematch.

fergusg wrote:To be honest, if you consider all the black fighters currently competing within Floyd’s weight range (i.e. 140lbs to 154lbs), most of them aren’t viable opponents:
• Lamont Peterson - Has been KO'd in three rounds against Lucas Matthysse… and also "temporarily" failed a drug test
• Adrien Broner - Fight probably would have never happened as they’re “bros”, coupled with the fact that he dropped a wide decision to Marcos Maidana
• Jermell Charlo - Merely a prospect
• Jermall Charlo - Merely a prospect
• Erislandy Lara - Not a great resume and has only won four of his last eight bouts, so a fight against him would be difficult to sell
• Ishe Smith - Recently lost by decision to Carlos Molina
• Cornelius Bundrage - Recently lost by decision to Ishe Smith
• Demetrius Andrade - Only recently arrived onto the 154lb scene as a top-tier fighter, but has a limited resume & a small fan-base
• Austin Trout - Not a stylistically enjoyable fighter to watch and has suffered recent losses to Canelo Alvarez & Erislandy Lara
• Shawn Porter - Has only recently arrived onto the world stage and lost his most recent bout against Kell Brook
• Devon Alexander - Has a recent loss on his record against Shawn Porter
• Kell Brook - Has only recently won a world title and had previously either declined or withdrawn from title bouts against Cornelius Bundrage, Manny Pacquiao and Devon Alexander
• Timothy Bradley - Is contractually tied to Top Rank & HBO, so he'll never be granted an opportunity to face Mayweather… and Bradley knew this when he signed Bob Arum's contract extension
• Keith Thurman - A talented fighter, but has limited drawing power, isn't a "real" world champion and his resume isn't good enough to be considered a viable opponent for the man sitting on the pound-for-pound throne

fergusg wrote:

ponch wrote:I understand some people, particularly Khan fans, might think Khan has a style to trouble Floyd. But it's an absurd leap to think Floyd ducked the guy when he had no legitimate claim to being considered in the first place. If Khan has the goods, why can't he produce it in the ring...

Well said!

It’s an “absurd leap” to believe that any world-class fighter would actually make a premeditated decision to “duck” one of their rivals.

It is usually the TV networks, promoters and managers that are involved in steering the careers of the majority of professional boxers. And I suspect they’re more inclined to make decisions that will protect their financial investment, compelling them to be risk averse (unless there are going to be sufficient rewards to compensate them for the potential loss in the value of their prized asset).

Boxing is a business and the only real “fear” involved in this sport, relates to the potential loss of income.

fergusg wrote:

ikorolev wrote:He ducks Cuban fighters, fighters with Greek first name, fighters with first name ending with "th" and half-Russian/half-Korean fighters

Which fighter was "half-Russian/half-Korean"? Now think carefully before answering that one!

tiny_acres wrote:He won't fight Klingons,Romulans Jedi'd or Sith's.He should be banned.

fergusg wrote:

ponch wrote:

fergusg wrote:It’s an “absurd leap” to believe that any world-class fighter would actually make a premeditated decision to “duck” one of their rivals.

It is usually the TV networks, promoters and managers that are involved in steering the careers of the majority of professional boxers. And I suspect they’re more inclined to make decisions that will protect their financial investment, compelling them to be risk averse (unless there are going to be sufficient rewards to compensate them for the potential loss in the value of their prized asset).

Boxing is a business and the only real “fear” involved in this sport, relates to the potential loss of income.

I don't entirely agree - I don't think 'fear' is necessarily what it means to duck. We know Pac and Floyd aren't literally 'scared' of each other. Every obstacle to the fight was movable. They both have enough of a fanbase and influence to pretty much choose their opponents, regardless of promoters etc. No one would turn either guy down, except each other.

To me they ducked each other as clearly as Bowe did by chucking his belt in the trash when Lewis became his mandatory.

I don't believe that Manny or Floyd had any control over the HBO versus Showtime situation in recent years.

Since the Tyson-Lewis bout, which supposedly was agonisingly difficult to manage between both networks, no fight has ever been considered big enough to motivate those parties to work with each other.

fergusg wrote:

ikorolev wrote:He ducks Cuban fighters, fighters with Greek first name, fighters with first name ending with "th" and half-Russian/half-Korean fighters

Which fighter was "half-Russian/half-Korean"? Now think carefully before answering that one!

reggaereggae wrote:

fergusg wrote:

ikorolev wrote:He ducks Cuban fighters, fighters with Greek first name, fighters with first name ending with "th" and half-Russian/half-Korean fighters

Which fighter was "half-Russian/half-Korean"? Now think carefully before answering that one!

Kostya Tzsyu?

fergusg wrote:To be honest, if you consider all the black fighters currently competing within Floyd’s weight range (i.e. 140lbs to 154lbs), most of them aren’t viable opponents:
• Lamont Peterson - Has been KO'd in three rounds against Lucas Matthysse… and also "temporarily" failed a drug test
• Adrien Broner - Fight probably would have never happened as they’re “bros”, coupled with the fact that he dropped a wide decision to Marcos Maidana
• Jermell Charlo - Merely a prospect
• Jermall Charlo - Merely a prospect
• Erislandy Lara - Not a great resume and has only won four of his last eight bouts, so a fight against him would be difficult to sell
• Ishe Smith - Recently lost by decision to Carlos Molina
• Cornelius Bundrage - Recently lost by decision to Ishe Smith
• Demetrius Andrade - Only recently arrived onto the 154lb scene as a top-tier fighter, but has a limited resume & a small fan-base
• Austin Trout - Not a stylistically enjoyable fighter to watch and has suffered recent losses to Canelo Alvarez & Erislandy Lara
• Shawn Porter - Has only recently arrived onto the world stage and lost his most recent bout against Kell Brook
• Devon Alexander - Has a recent loss on his record against Shawn Porter
• Kell Brook - Has only recently won a world title and had previously either declined or withdrawn from title bouts against Cornelius Bundrage, Manny Pacquiao and Devon Alexander
• Timothy Bradley - Is contractually tied to Top Rank & HBO, so he'll never be granted an opportunity to face Mayweather… and Bradley knew this when he signed Bob Arum's contract extension
• Keith Thurman - A talented fighter, but has limited drawing power, isn't a "real" world champion and his resume isn't good enough to be considered a viable opponent for the man sitting on the pound-for-pound throne

fergusg wrote:

ikorolev wrote:Funny enough, Kostya Tzsyu is also half-Russian/half-Korean, so here you go -- there is a tendency :)

Kostya Tszyu's father was half Korean and half Mongolian... and his mother was Russian.

Besides, Tszyu was a Showtime fighter and injured for a couple of years at the time he and Floyd "could" have fought, whilst Mayweather competed under the HBO banner, so that fight was never going to happen!

Nobody ducked anybody.

fergusg wrote: What do you mean? :??

At the time he fought Floyd Mayweather Jr., Victor Ortiz was ranked number two by Ring Magazine at welterweight; was only 24 years old (a young lion); had beaten Andre Berto in his previous bout; and held the WBC 147lb title. His resume (as of the 17th September, 2011) was very good!