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It is pathetic. They all say same things before they get into the ring with GGG. What do you think Murray's chances are ?

I picked 5% because there was no zero. I'd give Murray a 5% chance of making it to the final bell though.

I think he's got a bit better chance than most who have faced Golovkin, which I'm not sure is saying a hell of a lot. I mean, he's big and strong, boxes well, good hand speed, good punch resistance. It would seem like he's got some assets that would help, and as I said in another thread, I can't complain about the match up at all.

That being said, I was totally wrong about Rubio, who I thought would at least hang around until mid fight and get sort of ground down. I'm tempted to say Murray will at least be able to pull that off. But who knows, he can be hit. I don't think he can make Golovkin go backwards, which is probably the key to beating him, more complicated than just saying it of course.

So yeah, mid-late stoppage, and I wouldn't be absolutely astounded if he took GGG the distance while getting beaten badly.

Watch it be another second round one-shot KO , as I'm prone to Teddy Atlas syndrome, having about a 5% success ratio in picking outcomes.

Murray who? Demarco Murray? I think he's above middleweight.

Othro wrote:Murray who? Demarco Murray? I think he's above middleweight.

I assume you're joking and suspect that you may be subtly criticizing GGG's opposition, but Murray is a top 10 MW who should be well-known to those who follow the division.

crusader wrote:

Othro wrote:Murray who? Demarco Murray? I think he's above middleweight.

I assume you're joking and suspect that you may be subtly criticizing GGG's opposition, but Murray is a top 10 MW who should be well-known to those who follow the division.

They are crowning this guy p4p King despite having faced none of the top middleweights and just when I think it's close to happening he faces the unstoppable Martin Murray? Come on man .

I think Murray is arguably top 5 in the division. Which bouts against superior opponents would've been realistic for roughly the same date?

There are political barriers to a Quillin (someone not clearly better than Murray imo) bout, Ward is having legal issues, Chavez already had a GGG fight on the table and decided otherwise, and it seems like Cotto and Canelo are planing to fight each other next and have been looking at that fight for a while. I think it's good he's staying active against top 10 fighters and there is still plenty of time for a big fight to be made for 2015.

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Othro wrote:

crusader wrote:

Othro wrote:Murray who? Demarco Murray? I think he's above middleweight.

I assume you're joking and suspect that you may be subtly criticizing GGG's opposition, but Murray is a top 10 MW who should be well-known to those who follow the division.

They are crowning this guy p4p King despite having faced none of the top middleweights and just when I think it's close to happening he faces the unstoppable Martin Murray? Come on man .

Who the f4ck are those misterious top middleweights ?

I'd like to know too.

BoxRec top 10 prior to Murray being assigned points for his fight today:

1. GGG
2. Cotto
3. Quillin
4. Sergio
5. Taylor
6. Sturm
7. Murray
8. Soliman
9. Korobov
10. Geale

I assume he considers Cotto a top middleweight. Sergio was a top MW, but he looked shot to shit his last fight and barely got past the guy Othro is complaining about GGG fighting. Quillin is currently among the top in the division but I don't think he's clearly better than Murray is, or Macklin and Geale were. Chavez, who had a GGG fight on the table but decided not to take it, fought most recently at 168 and him fighting at 160 again seems very questionable.

I understand that GGG is extremely overrated by some, but I don't think that extreme views should be the main comparison point for general assessments of a fighter. I think saying things such as 'GGG is the P4P king' is over the top, but at the same time I think the 'who has he fought' line is getting increasingly weak given that his recent MW opposition is quite arguably the best in division. I think that argument is even weaker when you're just discussing him fighting at MW and not moving up to fight people like Ward or Froch.

I actually think Murray is bigger than Gennady, but that doesn't mean he's not going to get his arse kicked

Murray is definitely bigger than Golovkin - taller, longer reach and heavier. He seems durable too, has he ever been knocked down? This one certainly has a good chance of going some rounds. He'll be one of the three best opponents GGG has faced along with Geale and Macklin.

Please make it stop.

Another pointless no hoper.

jezzamundo wrote:Murray is definitely bigger than Golovkin - taller, longer reach and heavier. He seems durable too, has he ever been knocked down? This one certainly has a good chance of going some rounds. He'll be one of the three best opponents GGG has faced along with Geale and Macklin.

Murray has fought only two good opponents -- Martinez (who was already shot at that time) and Sturm who is not a big puncher. Nevertheless, he was dropped at least once in his career, in the first Khomitsky fight. Murray himself has a very low KO percentage for a top 10 fighter.

In today's fight, his mediocre opponent who had big size disadvantage was able to get close easilly, so I am not sure what tools Murray has to compete with Golovkin. I think 5-10% I gave him may be too generous.

Diddy, I think your expectations for who GGG should fight are unrealistically high. I think we should be grateful that he is fighting 4 times per year. I'd much rather see GGG remain active than have him wait around for PPV fights that don't eventuate.

I don't give Murray much chance of winning, but he's the highest ranked realistic opponent at middleweight.

Murray's fight with Sergio Martinez is the juice GGG is looking for here.
It's also a potential gateway bout to 168.

Golovkin has a unique body type where to me, he seems to look shorter than he actually is. Quite often il see him being matched against a certain opponent and expecting them to be taller by an inch or two (well bar Curtis Stevens who's borderline a midget for middleweight it seems) but yet he seems to end up being the same height or taller or only fractionally shorter.

I have no problem with this fight. Murray beat a better version of Sergio Martinez than Cotto did. Murray could probably be undefeated right now with a 2011 victory over Sturm and a 2013 win over Martinez.

I think people are starting to floyd (verb) GGG's opponents. Murray is a more realistic challenge at 160 for GGG than Cotto or Alvarez. In fact, besides Peter Quillin, Murray might be the best challenge at 160 right now. So what more do you want?

I'm really excited for this fight.

These are 3 good undefeated oponnents for GGG at middle: Quillin, Korobov and Murray ( Murray arguably beat both Sturm and Martinez, or deserved at least a draw).

So it's an excellent fight.
But i give Murray a 15-20% chance, because he's big, durable and can punch.
He's not going to lay down like Rubio or Geale.

If GGG wins this impressively, the nay sayers will have to tone down quite a bit.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:I have no problem with this fight. Murray beat a better version of Sergio Martinez than Cotto did. Murray could probably be undefeated right now with a 2011 victory over Sturm and a 2013 win over Martinez.

I think people are starting to floyd (verb) GGG's opponents. Murray is a more realistic challenge at 160 for GGG than Cotto or Alvarez. In fact, besides Peter Quillin, Murray might be the best challenge at 160 right now. So what more do you want?

I'm really excited for this fight.

This.

GGG is finally doing what I wanted him to do a couple years back: you can't get the marquee fights? Clean out the motherfvcking division then!

Also, whilst I am looking forward to the match, I would like to quote my mate Counter-puncher as to its likely outcome:

Counter-puncher wrote:I am no g-train nuthugger but still think he would be club to murrays baby seal

a massive baby seal that probably walks around at about 14 stone. But still a baby seal

GGG splatters Murray in 3. One can't complain, because of the dearth of options.

This time next year there might literally be nobody even half credible left for him to fight at middle.

crusader wrote:I'd like to know too.

BoxRec top 10 prior to Murray being assigned points for his fight today:

1. GGG
2. Cotto
3. Quillin
4. Sergio
5. Taylor
6. Sturm
7. Murray
8. Soliman
9. Korobov
10. Geale

I assume he considers Cotto a top middleweight. Sergio was a top MW, but he looked shot to poo his last fight and barely got past the guy Othro is complaining about GGG fighting. Quillin is currently among the top in the division but I don't think he's clearly better than Murray is, or Macklin and Geale were. Chavez, who had a GGG fight on the table but decided not to take it, fought most recently at 168 and him fighting at 160 again seems very questionable.

I understand that GGG is extremely overrated by some, but I don't think that extreme views should be the main comparison point for general assessments of a fighter. I think saying things such as 'GGG is the P4P king' is over the top, but at the same time I think the 'who has he fought' line is getting increasingly weak given that his recent MW opposition is quite arguably the best in division. I think that argument is even weaker when you're just discussing him fighting at MW and not moving up to fight people like Ward or Froch.

Those are boxrec's computerized rankings that mean nothing. Murray is on the same level as the fighters Golovkin has already been beating. If this guy is top 10 p4p he has to beat the best or collect all of the belts and atleast be undisputed champ.

Yes I consider Cotto a top middleweight he is THE middleweight champion any other belt holder is just a titlist.

Okay, so who are those top middleweights apart from Cotto and are they much better than someone like Murray? If you're going just by major belts and exclude sub-variants (like the interim WBC belt Rubio held) the other champions are GGG himself and Jermain Taylor, and I don't think that the latter is currently better than Murray. I also think assessing a fighter's P4P standing based on belts won is fairly nonsensical, as one's ability is not determined by the belt they won; a fairy good fighter can never win a major title holder while a fairly mediocre one can.

And I'm not sure what the problem is with using the BoxRec rankings as a guide. Are there people you consider top middleweights outside those ten?

crusader wrote:Okay, so who are those top middleweights apart from Cotto and are they much better than someone like Murray? If you're going just by major belts and exclude sub-variants (like the interim WBC belt Rubio held) the other champions are GGG himself and Jermain Taylor, and I don't think that the latter is currently better than Murray. I also think assessing a fighter's P4P standing based on belts won is fairly nonsensical, as one's ability is not determined by the belt they won; a fairy good fighter can never win a major title holder while a fairly mediocre one can.

And I'm not sure what the problem is with using the BoxRec rankings as a guide. Are there people you consider top middleweights outside those ten?

I think Quillin could possibly beat Murray although admittedly I quite like the look of Quillin so it could just be bias coming into play.

Quillin is a good and perhaps underrated fighter and his chances of beating Murray would be relatively high in my view. Apart from him, Cotto, and GGG I don't think anyone in the division is currently better than Murray though, and obviously Quillin isn't a titlist anymore so GGG wouldn't need to beat him at this point to collect all the titles, which Othro seems to suggest is a precondition for GGG having a P4P top ten ranking.

crusader wrote:Okay, so who are those top middleweights apart from Cotto and are they much better than someone like Murray? If you're going just by major belts and exclude sub-variants (like the interim WBC belt Rubio held) the other champions are GGG himself and Jermain Taylor, and I don't think that the latter is currently better than Murray. I also think assessing a fighter's P4P standing based on belts won is fairly nonsensical, as one's ability is not determined by the belt they won; a fairy good fighter can never win a major title holder while a fairly mediocre one can.

And I'm not sure what the problem is with using the BoxRec rankings as a guide. Are there people you consider top middleweights outside those ten?

A)None, just ask Martinez and Sturm.

B)See A