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Golovkin is close to the top of the world and on everyone's lips.
Lets put him through his paces and talk about his weaknesses ... that's how you make the P4P Top 10.

He moves slowly and his positioning is predictable.

Evander wrote:Golovkin is close to the top of the world and on everyone's lips.
Lets put him through his paces and talk about his weaknesses ... that's how you make the P4P Top 10.

He moves slowly and his positioning is predictable.

Golovkin slowness is exagerrated. He can be fast when necessary. For example, his left hook - right uppercut combination which broke Rubio was very fast.

fergusg wrote:I am only willing to include Golovkin amongst my personal pound-for-pound to ten list when he removes all doubts from my mind, by proving his ability and fulfilling his potential, when he eventually defeats a top name fighter that are in their prime and fighting in their natural habitat... and does to them what we’ve seen him do to so many others, which is punish them with ease!

The lack of quality on his resume is probably the biggest factor that is tarnishing his reputation.

So only once he moves out of his natural habitat then? There's nobody who fits that bill at middleweight.

I think GGG has under-rated skills, but at the same possibly over-rated power. There is no doubt he has very good power, and has proved that, but I don't think he is the man-killer some think he is. He is technically sound and throws punches normally straight and hard, and is excellent in cutting off the ring. I think only a slick boxer-puncher that can take a good punch and can neutralize his power somewhat will beat him....someone like Ward I mean. I do think someone like a Lara or Andrade would give him trouble with their movement and boxing ability too.

Cotto or Canelo are styles of boxers that are tailor-made for GGG, imo. I don't think GGG is slow. He is fast as he needs to be, at least so far.

Badhusker wrote:I think GGG has under-rated skills, but at the same possibly over-rated power. There is no doubt he has very good power, and has proved that, but I don't think he is the man-killer some think he is. He is technically sound and throws punches normally straight and hard, and is excellent in cutting off the ring. I think only a slick boxer-puncher that can take a good punch and can neutralize his power somewhat will beat him....someone like Ward I mean. I do think someone like a Lara or Andrade would give him trouble with their movement and boxing ability too.

Cotto or Canelo are styles of boxers that are tailor-made for GGG, imo. I don't think GGG is slow. He is fast as he needs to be, at least so far.

I think Lara's chin isnt good enough to hold up against GGG. He was on queer street against Angulo a few times.

It's consistently been the case that GGG's biggest criticism has been his opposition... yet that falls squarely on the people that have, for a long time now, consistently refused to fight him.

If he knocks out Cotto and takes all the belts, he knocked out a Jr.middleweight and he "still ain't fought nobody".

Best to just enjoy the show, he is a must watch fighter.

i believe he will be ducked next year and he will end up fighting after murray

1. caleb truax

2. Lemieux

3. N'jikam

I think his next fight will be Korobov to collect another belt.

NDam or Lemieux are better fights than Murray - at least with some intrigue. No way HBO will let GGG fight a can like Truax.

Evander wrote:Golovkin is close to the top of the world and on everyone's lips.
Lets put him through his paces and talk about his weaknesses ... that's how you make the P4P Top 10.

He moves slowly and his positioning is predictable.

I honestly think he has regressed and is doing so in order to get bigger fights. He will show so much more when he has a real challenge in front of him.

Tomasino wrote:

Evander wrote:Golovkin is close to the top of the world and on everyone's lips.
Lets put him through his paces and talk about his weaknesses ... that's how you make the P4P Top 10.

He moves slowly and his positioning is predictable.

I honestly think he has regressed and is doing so in order to get bigger fights. He will show so much more when he has a real challenge in front of him.

:??

fergusg wrote:

SFW wrote:It's consistently been the case that GGG's biggest criticism has been his opposition... yet that falls squarely on the people that have, for a long time now, consistently refused to fight him.

Gennady’s fight against Rubio may have done good numbers, but this may be because HBO had to strengthen the fight card by including the highly-popular Nonito Donaire. GGG hasn't gained recognition from the mainstream casual boxing observers yet.

It seems as though K2 aren’t willing to fund the high payday’s they’d have to contribute to help pay for Golovkin to face top-tier opposition.

Simply put: GGG’s top-tier world-class rivals will continue to duck him until they receive a big payday. The money isn’t there – so the big fights aren’t being made. Gennady himself receives relatively small paydays in comparison to his pound-for-pound rivals.

Please remember that boxers are known as “PRIZE” fighters not “PRIDE” fighters, so really it’s K2’s fault for not investing in the career of their fighter.

Since no one else takes notice...
Who are they, those top dogs, world class rivals ducking him ? Names please.
Back to topic: i havent been able to spot any weaknesses in the fights ive seen. A bit careless at times maybe. And that could be his downfall, getting careless from not being met at where he is, skill wise. Maybe the rest of the mws arent so bad, he just makes them look that way ?

I don't think he's shown any weaknesses yet, in that he hasn't faced anyone that has been able to do anything effective against him. He has some pretty solid fundamentals and a load of power to go with it.
We've seen him be a little careless at times and take a few shots he needn't have.
I can see him struggling with a spoiler, someone with long-arms who employs the jab and grab tactics.

Evander wrote: his positioning is predictable.

His use of shifting makes his positioning rather unpredictable.

Golovkin is far from "slow". He is measured and he manoeuvers people round the ring to where he wants them. He doesn't need to dance or rush in like a bull at a gate.

I'm not sure he'll be able to fight going backwards, if I have to think of something negative. Someone who can move him back I think may well have success against him.

That's a pretty monumental task though, and can't just be improvised. I still think Ward would have the beating of him, but who knows. He's just about semi-retired at this point. I can't think of anyone else who I believe beats him right now from 154-168, and I'd include Mayweather in that.

The only good news for those around his weight class is that he's 32, I can't see him doing this until his late 30's. His style isn't well suited to it, and he seems too smart to keep fighting too long.

Bobbyptsd wrote:I'm not sure he'll be able to fight going backwards, if I have to think of something negative. Someone who can move him back I think may well have success against him.

That's a pretty monumental task though, and can't just be improvised. I still think Ward would have the beating of him, but who knows. He's just about semi-retired at this point. I can't think of anyone else who I believe beats him right now from 154-168, and I'd include Mayweather in that.

The only good news for those around his weight class is that he's 32, I can't see him doing this until his late 30's. His style isn't well suited to it, and he seems too smart to keep fighting too long.

Bute was sort of moving him back in amateurs. Didn't end well for Lucian. I think Ward's hit and clinch tactics would be more effective if a ref will allow excessive holding.

ikorolev wrote:

Bobbyptsd wrote:I'm not sure he'll be able to fight going backwards, if I have to think of something negative. Someone who can move him back I think may well have success against him.

That's a pretty monumental task though, and can't just be improvised. I still think Ward would have the beating of him, but who knows. He's just about semi-retired at this point. I can't think of anyone else who I believe beats him right now from 154-168, and I'd include Mayweather in that.

The only good news for those around his weight class is that he's 32, I can't see him doing this until his late 30's. His style isn't well suited to it, and he seems too smart to keep fighting too long.

Bute was sort of moving him back in amateurs. Didn't end well for Lucian. I think Ward's hit and clinch tactics would be more effective if a ref will allow excessive holding.

I thought Bute momentarily buzzed him in that fight. Before getting KTFO obviously lol

I guess like most fighters, we never know how good they are til they fight top competition.

At middle there is not much there. I don't believe GGG should move up to super middle, as he himself says he could make light middle.

MayweTher won't happen but he could clean out the middles and unify I guess.

Cotto and quilling are still of interest, though I think Miguel would get savaged. At least Pete is big, unbeaten and fresh.

fergusg wrote:

Bobbyptsd wrote:I'm not sure he'll be able to fight going backwards, if I have to think of something negative. Someone who can move him back I think may well have success against him.

Gennady Golovkin can almost certainly fight going backwards. We've seen him doing it often enough in his sparring videos against the likes of Chavez Jr. and also during the first half of his professional career.

GGG's an experienced fellow and I'm sure he'll be equally effective on the back-foot as he is being the stalk-'til-they-can't-walk aggressor!

Yeah, ok. I don't share your certitude based on sparring and gut feelings. I'm not sure he can (fight going backwards) against professional top level opponents. Didn't know I had to be that specific, but here we are.

verballistic wrote:

SFW wrote:It's consistently been the case that GGG's biggest criticism has been his opposition... yet that falls squarely on the people that have, for a long time now, consistently refused to fight him.

If he knocks out Cotto and takes all the belts, he knocked out a Jr.middleweight and he "still ain't fought nobody".

Best to just enjoy the show, he is a must watch fighter.

The ranks at MW just happen to be rather thin right now. IMO a prime Sergio Martinez would have been a good test, but he is FAR from his prime at this point & no longer competitive at top-level. In the absence of a prime Martinez, looks like Cotto will have to do for now, at least until GGG moves up to 168. I dont think Cotto will duck Golovkin, but he might hold out for a good payday.

Groves sparred GGG and said that he shouldn't go up to super middle because GGG makes middle so easily. Groves said it would be better for GGG to go to Light Middle given his size and the fact that he has no weight issues.

Groves also said many things about Froch ... GGG would prove him wrong the same way Froch did -- by stopping him in an actual fight.

ikorolev wrote:Groves also said many things about Froch ... GGG would prove him wrong the same way Froch did -- by stopping him in an actual fight.

Well that's true! But it's clear GGG is not a big middle and he himself says he would go down to LW

reggaereggae wrote:

ikorolev wrote:Groves also said many things about Froch ... GGG would prove him wrong the same way Froch did -- by stopping him in an actual fight.

Well that's true! But it's clear GGG is not a big middle and he himself says he would go down to LW

Of course he would go for big bucks, but I strongly doubt that Mayweather or Cotto will fight him even at 154.

What I find most peculiar are the people who say Floyd should move up and take on GGG
but defend GGG for not moving up to super middle.It makes no sense to me.

Nobody is saying that Floyd SHOULD move up and fight GGG. What people are saying is that Floyd COULD fight GGG at LMW where he already fought and where he holds a belt. He fought Canelo at 152, so why can't he fight GGG at 154 ? His father says that GGG is not a good boxer, so it would be another easy win :)