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Ruben Groenwald "Broken Dreams"
Posted: 15 Nov 2014, 03:22
by Darcy Delaney
Reuben has a book out "on amazon" and i must admit its a must read im half way through it he names and shames a few big names of british boxing and talks about how much money he should of got for fights and what he ended up getting (he was ripped off bigtime) so far in the book and after all thats happened to him he still seems a very humble man the books called "Broken Dreams:the untold truth"
Re: Ruben Groenwald "Broken Dreams"
Posted: 15 Nov 2014, 05:29
by jamesmcdonnell
Darcy Delaney wrote:Reuben has a book out "on amazon" and i must admit its a must read im half way through it he names and shames a few big names of british boxing and talks about how much money he should of got for fights and what he ended up getting (he was ripped off bigtime) so far in the book and after all thats happened to him he still seems a very humble man the books called "Broken Dreams:the untold truth"
I see a court case in his future, one which costs his publisher a great deal of money.
Re: Ruben Groenwald "Broken Dreams"
Posted: 15 Nov 2014, 06:38
by pyenest77
Lets be honest a book that spills the beans pisses all over a book that just plays it safe.
Re: Ruben Groenwald "Broken Dreams"
Posted: 15 Nov 2014, 07:01
by palooka
Yes, I'll look at this one, cheers Darcy.
Re: Ruben Groenwald "Broken Dreams"
Posted: 15 Nov 2014, 07:20
by tobyh5
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Darcy Delaney wrote:Reuben has a book out "on amazon" and i must admit its a must read im half way through it he names and shames a few big names of british boxing and talks about how much money he should of got for fights and what he ended up getting (he was ripped off bigtime) so far in the book and after all thats happened to him he still seems a very humble man the books called "Broken Dreams:the untold truth"
I see a court case in his future, one which costs his publisher a great deal of money.
Is it self published? I cannot believe a publisher would be stupid enough to put out a title with controversial allegations or statements without checking its wording with a legal team.
Re: Ruben Groenwald "Broken Dreams"
Posted: 15 Nov 2014, 11:08
by Coco
Any links to any stories? Or pm's?
Re: Ruben Groenwald "Broken Dreams"
Posted: 15 Nov 2014, 11:25
by ALI
tobyh5 wrote:jamesmcdonnell wrote:Darcy Delaney wrote:Reuben has a book out "on amazon" and i must admit its a must read im half way through it he names and shames a few big names of british boxing and talks about how much money he should of got for fights and what he ended up getting (he was ripped off bigtime) so far in the book and after all thats happened to him he still seems a very humble man the books called "Broken Dreams:the untold truth"
I see a court case in his future, one which costs his publisher a great deal of money.
Is it self published? I cannot believe a publisher would be stupid enough to put out a title with controversial allegations or statements without checking its wording with a legal team.
Reading the synopsis on Amazon you would have to think so, Meldrick Taylor might just have edited this one.
Re: Ruben Groenwald "Broken Dreams"
Posted: 15 Nov 2014, 19:36
by amirah
He still owes me money!! Lent him 150 quid wen we lived in same gym and he never paid it back!!!
Re: Ruben Groenwald "Broken Dreams"
Posted: 15 Nov 2014, 21:01
by renegadeboxing
fornicate legalities get the truth out!!! If he has fornicate all and has been ripped off,,, what is a court case going to do???? I could tell you a few facts,,
Re: Ruben Groenwald "Broken Dreams"
Posted: 15 Nov 2014, 23:34
by jamesmcdonnell
You say that, but the fact is that we have VERY powerful defamation and libel laws in this country.
There's a reason you don't read any controversial passages in the vast majority of boxing books, because the consequences of unsubstantiated allegations are severe financially.
I suppose if you self published, and you didn't have a pot to piss in, there's not so much they can do - you're not going to go to jail for it, as it's a civil matter.
Re: Ruben Groenwald "Broken Dreams"
Posted: 16 Nov 2014, 07:28
by 1 nut
Who is really interested in this poor post
Re: Ruben Groenwald "Broken Dreams"
Posted: 16 Nov 2014, 07:31
by Darcy Delaney
you still commented on this poor post ?
Re: Ruben Groenwald "Broken Dreams"
Posted: 16 Nov 2014, 07:42
by jamesmcdonnell
Obviously some of us are interested, otherwise we couldn't comment. Perhaps some people find talking about boxing, and boxing books, and boxing book publishing interesting - if you don't then you can always find another thread to comment on - it's not actually mandatory to comment on, or even read threads that you feel are not interesting.
Re: Ruben Groenwald "Broken Dreams"
Posted: 17 Nov 2014, 13:24
by olij999
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Reading the synopsis on Amazon you would have to think so, Meldrick Taylor might just have edited this one.[/quote]
If it is anything like the Meldrick Taylor book, then it is a must-have for me. However, I can only find it on a Kindle edition - does anyone know if it will be released in hard copy?
Re: Ruben Groenwald "Broken Dreams"
Posted: 17 Nov 2014, 15:51
by Wake up call
If you click on the picture thumbnail you can read the first few chapters using the "Look Inside" facility.
The writing isn't great, but it's better than I expected as the things Ruben writes on his Facebook page are barely legible and he comes across as a bit of nutjob.
Ruben probably doesn't give much of a toss about UK liable as he seems to be living back in South Africa and he's clearly self published over the internet. Without a UK publisher and the fact that you would be downloading a MOBI file probably held on Amazon's servers outside of this country, I think suing him would be very difficult. Of course that have been many instances of so-called liable tourism which people living overseas being sued because the accusers has stated that the the fact a text can be viewed in this country is the equivalent of it being published here, but a couple of landmark rulings last year now mean it is much more difficult to pursue than it used to be.
Re: Ruben Groenwald "Broken Dreams"
Posted: 17 Nov 2014, 16:15
by rio
Not gonna buy the book, can someone bullet point the comments that are controversial
Re: Ruben Groenwald "Broken Dreams"
Posted: 17 Nov 2014, 17:14
by jamesmcdonnell
rio wrote:Not gonna buy the book, can someone bullet point the comments that are controversial
Oh yeah, that would be really clever wouldn't it - get the site in trouble for distributing the defamation.
Anyone thinking of doing that - DON'T!
Re: Ruben Groenwald "Broken Dreams"
Posted: 18 Nov 2014, 05:56
by palooka
olij999 wrote:
Reading the synopsis on Amazon you would have to think so, Meldrick Taylor might just have edited this one.[/quote]
If it is anything like the Meldrick Taylor book, then it is a must-have for me. However, I can only find it on a Kindle edition - does anyone know if it will be released in hard copy?[/quote]
X2. Where did Orbtastic's labour of love thread go? The one where he transcribed parts of Meldrick's book, it was like trying to read Finnegan's Wake.
Re: Ruben Groenwald "Broken Dreams"
Posted: 18 Nov 2014, 06:38
by orbtastic
Re: Ruben Groenwald "Broken Dreams"
Posted: 18 Nov 2014, 07:13
by jamesmcdonnell
palooka wrote:olij999 wrote:
Reading the synopsis on Amazon you would have to think so, Meldrick Taylor might just have edited this one.
If it is anything like the Meldrick Taylor book, then it is a must-have for me. However, I can only find it on a Kindle edition - does anyone know if it will be released in hard copy?[/quote]
X2. Where did Orbtastic's labour of love thread go? The one where he transcribed parts of Meldrick's book, it was like trying to read Finnegan's Wake.[/quote]
Hahahah - brilliant - who'da thought that Meldrick Taylor would one day be mentioned in the same illustrious company as James Joyce? High praise (not) indeed!
Re: Ruben Groenwald "Broken Dreams"
Posted: 18 Nov 2014, 07:17
by jamesmcdonnell
Just found this in that thread.
http://www.haxed.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=48256.30
I just laughed so hard I've got a stitch, whoever wrote this stuff is an undiscovered genius, or perhaps it's what Anne Widdecombe does in her spare time, I'm not sure which.
Re: Ruben Groenwald "Broken Dreams"
Posted: 18 Nov 2014, 09:39
by palooka
Thanks for that James

I needed a laugh.
Re: Ruben Groenwald "Broken Dreams"
Posted: 18 Nov 2014, 11:10
by rio
jamesmcdonnell wrote:rio wrote:Not gonna buy the book, can someone bullet point the comments that are controversial
Oh yeah, that would be really clever wouldn't it - get the site in trouble for distributing the defamation.
Anyone thinking of doing that - DON'T!
Just curious to know who he's accused and of what. Nothing wrong with that.
Re: Ruben Groenwald "Broken Dreams"
Posted: 18 Nov 2014, 15:01
by jamesmcdonnell
rio wrote:jamesmcdonnell wrote:rio wrote:Not gonna buy the book, can someone bullet point the comments that are controversial
Oh yeah, that would be really clever wouldn't it - get the site in trouble for distributing the defamation.
Anyone thinking of doing that - DON'T!
Just curious to know who he's accused and of what. Nothing wrong with that.
I'm just saying, if it is distributed on here, the site could end up in legal strife.
Re: Ruben Groenwald "Broken Dreams"
Posted: 20 Nov 2014, 11:43
by reggaereggae
jamesmcdonnell wrote:rio wrote:
Just curious to know who he's accused and of what. Nothing wrong with that.
I'm just saying, if it is distributed on here, the site could end up in legal strife.
I think you're exaggerating.the defamation is, if it exists, at the door of the book. There is nothing defamatory about detailing the contents of the book I would suggest. Especially if the word 'allegedly' is used enough times! Lol
Disclaimer - I am not a lawyer. All advice is offered as a layman and should be taken as opinion, not as legally sanctioned. :-)