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BWH Rankings as of 15 November 2014:

Champion: Wladimir Klitschko
1. Alexander Povetkin
2. Kubrat Pulev
3. Tyson Fury
4. Bermane Stiverne
5. Dereck Chisora
6. Bryant Jennings
7. Vyacheslav Glazkov
8. Carlos Takam
9. Deontay Wilder
10. Tony Thompson
11. Steve Cunningham
12. Chris Arreola
13. Odlanier Solis
14. Artur Szpilka
15. Ruslan Chagaev

Topic A - How are the rankings affected by Vyacheslav Glazkov's TKO7 win over Darnell Wilson?

My vote: Glazkov remains at #7, Wilson remains unranked.

Topic B - How are the rankings affected by Wladimir Klitschko's KO5 win over Kubrat Pulev?

My vote: Wlad remains champion, Pulev remains at #2.

Note: This topic is for voting on the rankings of Glazkov, Wilson, Wlad and Pulev. Posting your own Top 15 will not count as a vote. Please cast your vote in the manner than I have done above.

Wilson OUT of the top 15 completely...

Pulev, knocked down to #11...

Need to have some legitimate rankings... if you lose, you're out of the top 10... you need a win over an established fighter to get back into those rankings... period.

HomicideHenry wrote:Wilson OUT of the top 15 completely...

Pulev, knocked down to #11...

Need to have some legitimate rankings... if you lose, you're out of the top 10... you need a win over an established fighter to get back into those rankings... period.

I generally like to demote fighters for KO or wide UD losses, but frankly everyone loses to Wlad, so doing this would favour guys who don't take on the best. I don't think Pulev deserves to be any lower than #4.

jezzamundo wrote:

HomicideHenry wrote:Wilson OUT of the top 15 completely...

Pulev, knocked down to #11...

Need to have some legitimate rankings... if you lose, you're out of the top 10... you need a win over an established fighter to get back into those rankings... period.

I generally like to demote fighters for KO or wide UD losses, but frankly everyone loses to Wlad, so doing this would favour guys who don't take on the best. I don't think Pulev deserves to be any lower than #4.

I think, until he faces someone of worth, he needs (at the very least) be outside the top five.

Glazkov out
Wilson remains unranked
Wlad remains as champion
Pulev drops to 6.

Glazkov remains at #7, Wilson remains unranked.

Klitschko remains champion, Pulev remains at #2.

BWH Rankings as of 15 November 2014:

Champion: Wladimir Klitschko
1. Alexander Povetkin
2. Kubrat Pulev
3. Tyson Fury
4. Bermane Stiverne
5. Dereck Chisora
6. Bryant Jennings
7. Vyacheslav Glazkov
8. Carlos Takam
9. Deontay Wilder
10. Tony Thompson
11. Steve Cunningham
12. Chris Arreola
13. Odlanier Solis
14. Artur Szpilka
15. Ruslan Chagaev

Topic A - How are the rankings affected by Vyacheslav Glazkov's TKO7 win over Darnell Wilson?

My vote: Glazkov remains at #7, Wilson remains unranked.

Topic B - How are the rankings affected by Wladimir Klitschko's KO5 win over Kubrat Pulev?

My vote: Wlad remains champion, Pulev drops to No.6

Wlad still the champion.
Pulev #7
Glazkov out

Glazkov down to #11 (Cunningham, Wilder and Takam'd mop to floor with him IMO - he is better than Arreola, Solis and Chagaev though)
Wilson unranked
Klitschko stays as champion
Pulev down to #4 (maybe he is better than he looked vs. Wlad but that was a pretty poor showing)

Glazkov down to #8, Wilson remains unranked.
Wlad remains champion, Pulev down to #3.

I previously believed that Glazkov did not deserve to be ranked above Takam. Now that Adamek has proven that he wasn't a very valuable scalp with his latest defeat, Glazkov's career best win seems pretty unremarkable. I am even more confident now that Glazkov belongs below Takam.
I would not demote Pulev or anybody for losing to Wlad. But upon reevaluation of his career best win over Tony Thompson, I am not really so sure that he's actually better than Tyson Fury. Takam beat Thompson by a wider margin, and we don't even have Takam ranked that highly.

Klitschko - Stays as Champion
Pulev - Down to No. 5
Glazkov - Down to No. 8
Wilson - Stays out

Pulev shuold stay at 2 until someone beneath beats him

JKlitschko - Champion.
Pulev - Stays at 2

Glazkov stays

(if we keep pushing peope down, wilder will eventually end up at number 1 without winning anyone. a defeat does not always mean they drop

Klitschko - stays as Champion
Pulev - down to #3
Glazkov - remains at #7
Wilson - stays out

HomicideHenry wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:

HomicideHenry wrote:Wilson OUT of the top 15 completely...

Pulev, knocked down to #11...

Need to have some legitimate rankings... if you lose, you're out of the top 10... you need a win over an established fighter to get back into those rankings... period.

I generally like to demote fighters for KO or wide UD losses, but frankly everyone loses to Wlad, so doing this would favour guys who don't take on the best. I don't think Pulev deserves to be any lower than #4.

I think, until he faces someone of worth, he needs (at the very least) be outside the top five.

why not just demote every one and let wlad hold all 15 places

Pulev to 9.

Can't see him ever fighting again, not paying his sanction fees to the WBA and WBO will limit his chances of a future ranking and the sort of thing that is madness to do unless it was your last fight plus it was a pretty poor performance, seems he was way over valued IMO. No one is very good in that 15, subjectively IMO Wilder and Joshua are the interesting fights.

Glazkov stay #7. No point moving fighters down when they win.

Wlad # Champ. Good fight from Wlad. Still at the top of his game.
Pulev # 4. Losing to Wlad should not drop anyone too much. He came to fight and tried to win. Many other would have stayed down from the early knock downs. He has sturdy chin. Maybe that bit overconfident in the fight thou. I don't see too many figters that i would favor to beat him :geek2:

Glazkov stays where he is,
Pulev down to #6, no shame in losing to the big man but, for me, the nature of the defeat calls for a drop of a few places. I also believe Stiverne, Fury, Chisora and Jennings would have put up a much better effort than Pulev last night.

Pulev to no.5

cold187 wrote: why not just demote every one and let wlad hold all 15 places

Sarcasm doesn't suit you.

I just think in all fairness to other fighters/contenders out there; if you lose on a knockout (especially) you should be demoted to #11. However, because we are dealing with such a rather limited division--- at the very least, Pulev needs to be pushed out into #6. That then leaves, the winner of Chisora/Fury, Wilder/Stiverne and Glazkov to fill the void.* And deservingly so, because they are the "best of the bunch" who have yet to receive a title shot at Vladimir.


*In my view Povetkin hasn't beaten anyone of consequence to warrant being #2, and he already failed in his title shot with Klitschko--- so until he defeats someone with value, he shouldn't be among the top five.

HomicideHenry wrote:I just think in all fairness to other fighters/contenders out there; if you lose on a knockout (especially) you should be demoted to #11.

Your policy is silly.

HomicideHenry wrote:*In my view Povetkin hasn't beaten anyone of consequence to warrant being #2, and he already failed in his title shot with Klitschko--- so until he defeats someone with value, he shouldn't be among the top five.

Takam was a good opponent.

Any heavyweight rankings with Povetkin outside of the top 5 are garbage.

HomicideHenry wrote:Need to have some legitimate rankings... if you lose, you're out of the top 10... you need a win over an established fighter to get back into those rankings... period.

That is way too absolute and not insightful enough to result in accurate rankings. If a fighter is truly the second best fighter, and he loses to the best, then that doesn't suddenly make him #11. If Muhammad Ali beats Joe Frazier, Frazier doesn't suddenly drop down to #11. If Ward were to beat Froch, Froch wouldn't suddenly be the #11 SMW. Everyone in the top 10 would lose to Wlad by domination, and that's basically a fact. The fact that Pulev was the guy to step-up and take his turn at a shot doesn't mean that he has been proven to be worse than the other guys in the top 10, it just means that it was his turn to get dominated by Wlad. Sooner or later, everybody gets a turn, and they all get dominated. What really matters is their results outside of their losses to Wlad.

HomicideHenry wrote:In my view Povetkin hasn't beaten anyone of consequence to warrant being #2, and he already failed in his title shot with Klitschko--- so until he defeats someone with value, he shouldn't be among the top five.

Povetkin's very last fight, which was only 3 weeks ago, was all by itself more than most other heavyweights have achieved in their entire careers. He knocked out Takam, who beat Thompson more clearly than Pulev did. Takam was better than Fury's best scalp -- Cunningham. Takam was better than Stiverne's best scalp -- Arreola. Takam was better than Chisora's best scalp -- nobody. Takam was better than Jennings's best scalp -- Mike Perez. This is not to overlook the fact that Povetkin also recently steamrolled Charr, and he also had a fairly rich professional career from 2007 to 2013 (wins over Byrd, Chambers, Chagaev, etc.).

Klitschko - stays as Champion
Pulev - remains #2
Glazkov - remains #7
Wilson - stays out

You can loose to a No1 and still be No2. No need to invent artificial rules.

Topic A - How are the rankings affected by Vyacheslav Glazkov's TKO7 win over Darnell Wilson?

My vote: Glazkov up to #2, Wilson remains unranked.

Topic B - How are the rankings affected by Wladimir Klitschko's KO5 win over Kubrat Pulev?

My vote: Wlad remains champion, Pulev drops to #8

Tarkus wrote:Klitschko - stays as Champion
Pulev - remains #2
Glazkov - remains #7
Wilson - stays out

You can loose to a No1 and still be No2. No need to invent artificial rules.

exactly, let someone beat povetkin and pulev to take their place. if every loses sooner or later i'll be going up in the ranking.

Klitschko - Champion
Pulev - #6
Glazkov - #9
Wilson - Out