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Having just watched the fight anyone surprised that PacMan didn't get a TKO / KO? Did he feel that he was so far ahead on the scorecards that it wasn't needed? Gun-shy? Be interested to hear your opinions....

If you watched the fight, you should know that there was a KO which ref didn't count. After a heavy KD, Algieri got up on count 8, started turning his back to the ref on count 9 and stayed in that position on count 10. Sounds like a clear KO to me.

Not surprised at all, he couldn't finish off his second 140lber coming up in weight that he hit cleanly with everything but the kitchen sink and all of this with his so called "punching power" which hasn't produced a KO in more years than that of Mayweather who supposedly punches a lot softer.

Oh well, I guess those "Mystery Milkshakes" aren't being given to him any longer.

Brut, why did you change your id ?

in the last 2 rounds he looked like he couldn't pull the trigger imo, but in round 9 he was ferocious. The ref was corrupt imo, he gave Algieri a long count (he wasn't up till 12 and the action didn't resume for 20 seconds) - he then gave Algieri a standing count and stepped in to stop the fight before changing his mind. Maybe Pacquiao gassed after that because he didn't look like he a had finish in him in the championship rounds.

Give credit to Algieri.
He's a gutsy kid with plenty of huevos. He already proved that against Provodnikov. He hung in there last night and somehow survived a beating.

Manny has never been a one-punch KO artist, save for his demolition 5 1/2 years ago of Hatton. You can't expect him to always stop the bigger bodies he's been in with since abandoning the lightweight division.
Pacquiao often takes his foot off the gas when a stoppage is in reach, something that's been his M.O. since the late stages of the Margarito fight.

He'll need to relocate the pedal if the Mayweather fight is realized.
He's not going to score a KO, so his only hope is to outwork Mayweather and steal a decision.
His recent form indicates that such a scenario is unlikely to occur.

SenorPipino wrote: He'll need to relocate the pedal if the Mayweather fight is realized.
He's not going to score a KO, so his only hope is to outwork Mayweather and steal a decision.
His recent form indicates that such a scenario is unlikely to occur.

He is definitely capable of outworking Mayweather and landing more punches. I agree that KO is highly unlikely.

Manny has lost his killer instinct with all these $$ he wins: after the 9 th rd knockdown, he could have ended it anytime he wished, but his attitude towards his opponents has changed drastically, and he shows pity in the ring.

Having said that, i agree the ref did everything in his powers to make sure Algieri got out of that rd.

crow wrote:Manny has lost his killer instinct with all these $$ he wins: after the 9 th rd knockdown, he could have ended it anytime he wished, but his attitude towards his opponents has changed drastically, and he shows pity in the ring.

Having said that, i agree the ref did everything in his powers to make sure Algieri got out of that rd.

Why?
You would think in Asia, the Asian superstar would be the recipient of all the breaks. It's not a coincidence that the 2 bouts in Macau have featured Pacquiao.
If the ref's intentions are suspect, should he have gone out of his way to see that Manny got the popular stoppage?

SenorPipino wrote:Give credit to Algieri.
He's a gutsy kid with plenty of huevos. He already proved that against Provodnikov. He hung in there last night and somehow survived a beating.

Manny has never been a one-punch KO artist, save for his demolition 5 1/2 years ago of Hatton. You can't expect him to always stop the bigger bodies he's been in with since abandoning the lightweight division.
Pacquiao often takes his foot off the gas when a stoppage is in reach, something that's been his M.O. since the late stages of the Margarito fight.

He'll need to relocate the pedal if the Mayweather fight is realized.
He's not going to score a KO, so his only hope is to outwork Mayweather and steal a decision.
His recent form indicates that such a scenario is unlikely to occur.

Pacman himself admitted in an interview a while back, that he doesn't want to inflict undue punishment on his opponents - he's lost the killer instinct now - he is happy to let opponents survive the fight, provided they don't fight back too hard.

I think a fight between him and Mayweather would probably be quite boring. Mayweather would win a closeish but clear decision, with Pacman never able to keep him under any kind of sustained pressure.

ikorolev wrote:

SenorPipino wrote: He'll need to relocate the pedal if the Mayweather fight is realized.
He's not going to score a KO, so his only hope is to outwork Mayweather and steal a decision.
His recent form indicates that such a scenario is unlikely to occur.

He is definitely capable of outworking Mayweather and landing more punches. I agree that KO is highly unlikely.

Don't think so.
It's not impossible for him to throw more punches than Floyd, but will he land them against the cagey Mayweather, and will they be clean scoring blows?
Mayweather figures to consistently land the cleaner blows.
Pac could of course steal the verdict from the judges if he was busier, but that's not the way boxing is supposed to be scored.
Remember, effective aggressiveness. Maybe Pacquiao is more aggressive but will his blows be effective or even land frequently?
I don't see it.

I don't believe Manny has lost his Killer Instinct, he was trying his best to take Algieri's head off with his shots but the truth of the matter should be evident to all since he hasn't had a KO in over 5 years and that is that he is simply getting old and though people say power is the last thing to go, I still believe it declines.

That's being fair to Manny, he tried his heart out last night but he just couldn't finish his second guy who came from 140.

SenorPipino wrote:

ikorolev wrote: He is definitely capable of outworking Mayweather and landing more punches. I agree that KO is highly unlikely.

Don't think so.
It's not impossible for him to throw more punches than Floyd, but will he land them against the cagey Mayweather, and will they be clean scoring blows?
Mayweather figures to consistently land the cleaner blows.
Pac could of course steal the verdict from the judges if he was busier, but that's not the way boxing is supposed to be scored.
Remember, effective aggressiveness. Maybe Pacquiao is more aggressive but will his blows be effective or even land frequently?
I don't see it.

Mayweather picks (at least in the last few fights) come forward opponents who are not good movers and are pretty easy to hit. Not sure if he will be able to land many clean shots against somebody as fast as Manny if Manny fights cautiously.

ade the grenade wrote:Having just watched the fight anyone surprised that PacMan didn't get a TKO / KO? Did he feel that he was so far ahead on the scorecards that it wasn't needed? Gun-shy? Be interested to hear your opinions....

Algieri ran so much that I am surprised Pacquiao was able to knock him down at all. Algieri never showed any desire to win. If you only try to survive you usually do survive.

ikorolev wrote:Mayweather picks (at least in the last few fights) come forward opponents who are not good movers and are pretty easy to hit. Not sure if he will be able to land many clean shots against somebody as fast as Manny if Manny fights cautiously.

Yeah because a slower and older Marquez hardly landed any clean shots on the faster and younger Pacquiao

Marguez was preparing that counter for four fights. Besides, that would a good lesson for Manny and he is more cautious now, but you preferred to not pay attention to the "if Manny fights cautiously" part.

ikorolev wrote:Marguez was preparing that counter for four fights. Besides, that would a good lesson for Manny and he is more cautious now, but you preferred to not pay attention to the "if Manny fights cautiously" part.

LOL, now you are defending your bogus comment with the word "IF"? If "IF" was a Fifth we'd all be drunk!! I paid attention to your "if" but this is a fight and it is not a matter of "IF" Manny will be hit especially facing the likes of a far faster (than JMM) and more accurate Floyd, it's only a matter of WHEN!!

Stop being so biased and delusional to think that Manny is so fast that even IF he fights cautious (btw, that's what Floyd makes his opponents do, slow down to his pace and fight cautiously) that he won't be hit.

Slowing down and being cautious are two different things, but you won't understand that.

ikorolev wrote:Slowing down and being cautious are two different things, but you won't understand that.

Either one works to Floyd's favor but you won't understand that.

You were as sure about Hopkins as you are about Floyd. Floyd is not so sure about himself which is why he picks slow opponents.

ikorolev wrote:You were as sure about Hopkins as you are about Floyd. Floyd is not so sure about himself which is why he picks slow opponents.

Marquez is very fast though, so is Rios.

I'm not surprised in the least that pac didn't get the ko. I've been saying for quite some time now that pac doesn't have the same punching power that he had at one point in his career. The pac that destroyed marg at a catch weight over 150 would have destroyed algeiri inside of 4 rounds. I'm not sure that there's anyone here who could argue with that. The fact that he knocked algieri down doesn't mean much because chris had NO BUSINESS being in the ring with pac. He is not a world class fighter and would lose to every single welterweight inside the boxrec top 10. (Anyone may feel free to debate that as well)

Bottom line, those punches don't have the same steam on them. I have my beliefs on why and we'll agree to leave it at that.

Not really, Algieri made Manny miss a lot and he's a resilient guy, he wasn't just going to give up as you witnessed him getting off the canvas 6 times. Algieri def. lacks balance, countering ability and punching power, his only real good assets are he's resilient has a good jab and footwork but for the most part very one dimensional. The main reason Pacquiao didn't get the KO was because he was chasing the fight the whole time because Algieri wasn't willing to stay stationary for very long and made for a tough target. It was a disgraceful miss-match though, although Algieri did kind of earn the shot by beating Provodikov at 140, but really he had no business being in the ring with Pacquiao.

beatdown337 wrote:I'm not surprised in the least that pac didn't get the ko. I've been saying for quite some time now that pac doesn't have the same punching power that he had at one point in his career. The pac that destroyed marg at a catch weight over 150 would have destroyed algeiri inside of 4 rounds. I'm not sure that there's anyone here who could argue with that. The fact that he knocked algieri down doesn't mean much because chris had NO BUSINESS being in the ring with pac. He is not a world class fighter and would lose to every single welterweight inside the boxrec top 10. (Anyone may feel free to debate that as well)

Bottom line, those punches don't have the same steam on them. I have my beliefs on why and we'll agree to leave it at that.

of course you need to stick with this narrative because it conveniently aligns with your PED suspicions. Of course what you say is utter bullshit because any rational human being with a brain can see that Margarito was a stationary target that Pacquiao could fire (while planting his feet down) at will while Algieri was running around the ring as Pac needed to chase and cut the ring off inorder to land his power punches. In the process, he could not accumulate the amount of punches needed that would send Algieri down permanently, it was mostly one-twos.

A person such as yourself does not allow the facts to change your beliefs. You let your beliefs change the facts.

Rodian wrote:of course you need to stick with this narrative because it conveniently aligns with your PED suspicions. Of course what you say is utter bullshit because any rational human being with a brain can see that Margarito was a stationary target that Pacquiao could fire (while planting his feet down) at will while Algieri was running around the ring as Pac needed to chase and cut the ring off inorder to land his power punches. In the process, he could not accumulate the amount of punches needed that would send Algieri down permanently, it was mostly one-twos.

A person such as yourself does not allow the facts to change your beliefs. You let your beliefs change the facts.

He didn't need to do that with Brandon Rios or Bradley who were both in his face for the taking and he didn't KO either of them despite hitting both of them with everything but the kitchen sink the same as he did to Algieri despite his running.

I agree with beatdown that Manny is no longer carrying the same power he once has, that's not a bad thing to say. Sure power is the last thing to go on any fighter but that doesn't mean it doesn't decline, Tommy Hearns had punching power but over time even he wasn't the same as he once was.

Nothing wrong with saying what is obvious, Pac is getting older but he still has respectable power despite he's no longer KOing anyone.