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Why bloat the 'prime time' of a fight card with fighters who either kill the atmosphere with a negative style or couldn't crack an egg ?

Padding out a show with people who can sell local tickets, but bore the wider UK public to tears is a trend I keep seeing a lot too.

Last night was all about Saunders vs Eubank Jr, it was a Michelin star main course of fillet steak.

So why feed us 4 hours of carrots and ruin the appetite? A friend who went to a bar said they were closing just as the fight looked set to finally begin. Viewers were ready for going to bed by the time they finally began the main two fights.

Promoters need people who come to fight and look for a KO - people like Travis Dickinson , Brad Saunders, Jack Catterall,

The big shows miss the crash, bang wallop of Hatton, Calzaghe, and soon Froch and Haye.

People like Skeete and Fury, pecking away with the jab - it was awful. I'll give the big man a pass because he's usually good value.


Serious question - has anyone actually been impressed in the last ten years by a visiting Latvian or whatever? Just think of how many you've watched in all that time - I bet you'd struggle to name 1 performance and struggle harder to tell me their name. Doesn't that tell you something ?

A good ticket seller doesn't equate to a good performer - same goes for a bad ticket seller equalling a bad performer.

I just feel last night had some great ingredients , but they overcooked it with bloat. It was 24 rounds too many before the big two fights.

I thought most of the fights were decent last night, and the Eubank v Saunders fight was great. The headline was a bit of a let down but from a purists point of view a pretty impressive performance by fury.

I don't think there's many people who wouldn't want to see a rematch between jr and bjs

G0mez wrote:Why bloat the 'prime time' of a fight card with fighters who either kill the atmosphere with a negative style or couldn't crack an egg ?

Padding out a show with people who can sell local tickets, but bore the wider UK public to tears is a trend I keep seeing a lot too.

Last night was all about Saunders vs Eubank Jr, it was a Michelin star main course of fillet steak.

So why feed us 4 hours of carrots and ruin the appetite? A friend who went to a bar said they were closing just as the fight looked set to finally begin. Viewers were ready for going to bed by the time they finally began the main two fights.

Promoters need people who come to fight and look for a KO - people like Travis Dickinson , Brad Saunders, Jack Catterall,

The big shows miss the crash, bang wallop of Hatton, Calzaghe, and soon Froch and Haye.

People like Skeete and Fury, pecking away with the jab - it was awful. I'll give the big man a pass because he's usually good value.


Serious question - has anyone actually been impressed in the last ten years by a visiting Latvian or whatever? Just think of how many you've watched in all that time - I bet you'd struggle to name 1 performance and struggle harder to tell me their name. Doesn't that tell you something ?

A good ticket seller doesn't equate to a good performer - same goes for a bad ticket seller equalling a bad performer.

I just feel last night had some great ingredients , but they overcooked it with bloat. It was 24 rounds too many before the big two fights.

Dunno if i'd put Catterall in the category of guys that looks for the KO. He ends up getting knockouts because he has good power but he's quite methodical in his work. Quite a thinking fighter i'd say.

Last nights show was still far more interesting and compelling than the shite on PPV last weekend.

I would have switched the order a little to have kept the atmosphere building up.

Buglioni v Robinson was the most enjoyable fight on the card for me.

[quote="G0mez"]Why bloat the 'prime time' of a fight card with fighters who either kill the atmosphere with a negative style or couldn't crack an egg ?

Padding out a show with people who can sell local tickets, but bore the wider UK public to tears is a trend I keep seeing a lot too.

Last night was all about Saunders vs Eubank Jr, it was a Michelin star main course of fillet steak.

So why feed us 4 hours of carrots and ruin the appetite? A friend who went to a bar said they were closing just as the fight looked set to finally begin. Viewers were ready for going to bed by the time they finally began the main two fights.

Promoters need people who come to fight and look for a KO - people like Travis Dickinson , Brad Saunders, Jack Catterall,

The big shows miss the crash, bang wallop of Hatton, Calzaghe, and soon Froch and Haye.

People like Skeete and Fury, pecking away with the jab - it was awful. I'll give the big man a pass because he's usually good value.


Serious question - has anyone actually been impressed in the last ten years by a visiting Latvian or whatever? Just think of how many you've watched in all that time - I bet you'd struggle to name 1 performance and struggle harder to tell me their name. Doesn't that tell you something ?

A good ticket seller doesn't equate to a good performer - same goes for a bad ticket seller equalling a bad performer.

I just feel last night had some great ingredients , but they overcooked it with bloat. It was 24 rounds too many before the big two fights.[/quote

i agree it dragged on too late man

lefty wrote:Last nights show was still far more interesting and compelling than the shite on PPV last weekend.

It sure was,I enjoyed the Walsh-Sykes fight also Buligoini-Robinson and Eubank jr-BJS was fun so it pissed on last weeks ppv.The scheduling was dire through so I agree with the op in many ways.I feel for the fans who had to choose between the last train and the main event,he should learn for the future,putting the Mitchell Smith fight on primetime was a joke and the main event starting so late was a massive mistake.I love my boxing but he scheduling made it a long hard night of viewing,I`d rather have 4 hours of boxing,then it to drag on that late.

A bunch of mates said the atmosphere was hideous last night - and it was wall to wall with arseholes, and they seemingly did exactly want they liked.

He believed some didn't even have a ticket and security just let loads of people walk in. The later it got, the nastier the vibe.

Anyone here go down ?

lefty wrote:Last nights show was still far more interesting and compelling than the shite on PPV last weekend.

Remove Saunders vs Eubank and it loses hands down in my opinion.

I gave that card a ton of stick from the outset, but the undercard panned out way better than this one. And the main event was no better or worse than Fury vs Chisora either.

I'm not taking sides with any promoter - im just a frustrated punter.

G0mez wrote:

lefty wrote:Last nights show was still far more interesting and compelling than the shite on PPV last weekend.

Remove Saunders vs Eubank and it loses hands down in my opinion.

I gave that card a ton of stick from the outset, but the undercard panned out way better than this one. And the main event was no better or worse than Fury vs Chisora either.

I'm not taking sides with any promoter - im just a frustrated punter.

You think? Nearly all the fights on that card were complete mismatches or extremely one sided. I struggle to think of one particularily fight on the whole card.

lefty wrote:Last nights show was still far more interesting and compelling than the shite on PPV last weekend.

Well,

Upon reflection we have to use the old multiplier of "what it cost to watch" to find the true value / comparison between last night and the week before.

So yes, point taken.

More even matches on paper and also in reality in the ring except the main event but boring as piss which was not the fault of the promoter. So on the basis of better matches, this still beats the PPV but the actual fights were dreary and awful at the peak viewing time

My newsfeed was full of people, casual guys, people who watch big fights only, complaining and saying they will not bother next time etc. Huge mistake to let that Smith fight and the Gavin fight go on before the main event though, especially the Gavin one as it has points all over it from the moment it was signed.

Would have been better to keep MOST of those matches but also chuck in a couple guaranteed matchroom esq KO's to keep the casual excited.

Stick Buglioni in a six rounder at 7pm. Follow with skeete Gavin at 7.30.
Then to Sykes walsh at 8.30. Follow on with BJS and Eubank at 9.45. Then stick the fury fight in at eleven.

That would have been a hell of a nights entertainment albeit with a disappointing last fight.

Frank needs someone to get a hold of the running of these events. It's happened before (I remember dropping off during BJS and Ryder...).

Overall though, really enjoyed it.

garethhop wrote:Stick Buglioni in a six rounder at 7pm. Follow with skeete Gavin at 7.30.
Then to Sykes walsh at 8.30. Follow on with BJS and Eubank at 9.45. Then stick the fury fight in at eleven.

That would have been a hell of a nights entertainment albeit with a disappointing last fight.

Frank needs someone to get a hold of the running of these events. It's happened before (I remember dropping off during BJS and Ryder...).

Overall though, really enjoyed it.

That's it in a nutshell - cut the bloat out and let people get home safely.

BJS vs Eubank finished at 12.20am , far too late and the vibe had gone flat.

Admittedly it did seem like a long ass night of boxing. Saying that though, promoters cant win sometimes. Put on a card with a lot of interesting fights and people will complain its dragging on too long and put on a shorter bill and they've been short changed

cold187 wrote:

G0mez wrote:Why bloat the 'prime time' of a fight card with fighters who either kill the atmosphere with a negative style or couldn't crack an egg ?

Padding out a show with people who can sell local tickets, but bore the wider UK public to tears is a trend I keep seeing a lot too.

Last night was all about Saunders vs Eubank Jr, it was a Michelin star main course of fillet steak.

So why feed us 4 hours of carrots and ruin the appetite? A friend who went to a bar said they were closing just as the fight looked set to finally begin. Viewers were ready for going to bed by the time they finally began the main two fights.

Promoters need people who come to fight and look for a KO - people like Travis Dickinson , Brad Saunders, Jack Catterall,

The big shows miss the crash, bang wallop of Hatton, Calzaghe, and soon Froch and Haye.

People like Skeete and Fury, pecking away with the jab - it was awful. I'll give the big man a pass because he's usually good value.


Serious question - has anyone actually been impressed in the last ten years by a visiting Latvian or whatever? Just think of how many you've watched in all that time - I bet you'd struggle to name 1 performance and struggle harder to tell me their name. Doesn't that tell you something ?

A good ticket seller doesn't equate to a good performer - same goes for a bad ticket seller equalling a bad performer.

I just feel last night had some great ingredients , but they overcooked it with bloat. It was 24 rounds too many before the big two fights.[/quote

i agree it dragged on too late man

I agree, I was bored to tears for much of the card, the matchups didn't deliver. By the time the heavyweight clash came, I was virtually asleep.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

cold187 wrote:

G0mez wrote:Why bloat the 'prime time' of a fight card with fighters who either kill the atmosphere with a negative style or couldn't crack an egg ?

Padding out a show with people who can sell local tickets, but bore the wider UK public to tears is a trend I keep seeing a lot too.

Last night was all about Saunders vs Eubank Jr, it was a Michelin star main course of fillet steak.

So why feed us 4 hours of carrots and ruin the appetite? A friend who went to a bar said they were closing just as the fight looked set to finally begin. Viewers were ready for going to bed by the time they finally began the main two fights.

Promoters need people who come to fight and look for a KO - people like Travis Dickinson , Brad Saunders, Jack Catterall,

The big shows miss the crash, bang wallop of Hatton, Calzaghe, and soon Froch and Haye.

People like Skeete and Fury, pecking away with the jab - it was awful. I'll give the big man a pass because he's usually good value.


Serious question - has anyone actually been impressed in the last ten years by a visiting Latvian or whatever? Just think of how many you've watched in all that time - I bet you'd struggle to name 1 performance and struggle harder to tell me their name. Doesn't that tell you something ?

A good ticket seller doesn't equate to a good performer - same goes for a bad ticket seller equalling a bad performer.

I just feel last night had some great ingredients , but they overcooked it with bloat. It was 24 rounds too many before the big two fights.[/quote

i agree it dragged on too late man

I agree, I was bored to tears for much of the card, the matchups didn't deliver. By the time the heavyweight clash came, I was virtually asleep.

Did you prefer the matchroom show the week before?

Scheduling was a jokr. I went to bed before fury chisora.

That mitchell smith fight sent a load of mates who were out to watch the boxing off down town to do something different.

just moving that fight would've made a huge difference.

I enjoyed the majority of the card though just ran too late

lefty wrote: Did you prefer the matchroom show the week before?

People after last weekends fights had taken place and before this weekends ones had taken place were on a crusade throughout the week. Bellew v Cleverly was an outrage because it failed to live up. Fury v Chisora was even worse but the same reaction just isn't there. Last weekend about 50% of the rbr posts were reggaereggae and boxer beetle posting about how annoyed they were that the event was going so late. This weeks rbr neither are anywhere to be seen and yet the card ran later.

I know everyone (including me) was pissed at PPV. But you yourself lefty said that based off of that 1 poor PPV means Eddie is as bad, or worse than Allegedly. I'd argue that Allegedly's PPV Bill of Clev v a bin man. Groves v DeGale when they had 10 fights a piece and Gavin v Young Muttley with 8 and 4 rounders beneath that was easily a worse PPV than last week. At least last week there were top 20 boxers facing other top 20 boxers a few times. By far the worst PPV has to go to Haye v Harrison, but people last week over-reacted that it was worse than that.

For the record I thought Saunders v Eubank was the best fight on both cards.

Why they stuck Mitchell Smith on before BJS and Eubank, I'll never know. I half expected another fight before they came out!

Was a very long night and as most of you have said, far too late for the fans at the event, the atmosphere was about done before Fury-Chisora even came out. I had to get on the red bulls to make it, which I normally only need for the US 2am cards.

I can't even face the US card from last night(Crawford-Beltran) but then again, I was that cross-eyed by the time this card was over, I forgot to record it anyway

Was a decent nights viewing though but I'd expect a few new subscribers might feel a bit hard done by this morning. I was all hyped out before either of the big fights started.

The running order defo needs looking at before the next big card from uncle Frrank. Gone 1am before the main event has finished has to be a no-no when you start at 7pm. The show must've been on for almost 7 hours!

Can understand why they gave Mitchell Smith an elevated spot. He's sold plenty of tickets for a fight in his own manor. The plan backfired cause Smith just didn't take the opportunity.

Pettitt, Liam Walsh and Mitchell Smith fights should of been on after the fury fight. the last fight finished at 2.15am, good night for the taxis.

G0mez wrote:A bunch of mates said the atmosphere was hideous last night - and it was wall to wall with arseholes, and they seemingly did exactly want they liked.

He believed some didn't even have a ticket and security just let loads of people walk in. The later it got, the nastier the vibe.

Anyone here go down ?

Yeah i went and the organisation was a farce

Hope the fighters got paid well cos he certainly didn't spend anything on production or security

People were free to do what they wanted so walkways were just full of people that just walked up to ringside and blocked everyones view. Others just sat where they wanted and caused fights when they refused to get out of peoples seats

Toilets and bars were a joke and the scheduling hideous. Was 3:30am before i finally got a cab out of there

Billy Joe and Eubank fight just about saved it

Toilets and bars were a joke and the scheduling hideous. Was 3:30am before i finally got a cab out of there

the staff looked about 12 actually i think they were 12 to 14 years old. excel is an awful venue, please don't go there again frank.

Black Sam Bellamy wrote:He's sold plenty of tickets for a fight in his own manor..

The television viewers do not care if it is at the MEN, o2, Vegas or the moon and for them there is no "his own manor". They do not know who he is nor care who he is or give a bollock whether he has sold tickets or not. Promoters of televised fights should be catering to the tens of thousands if not hundred thousands or millions of TV viewers not the 500 people at the venue who got tickets for one guy. Those people would have watched him whenever if they have forked out plus taken the time to go to the venue.