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How good would he be? Would he be a H2H beast in the division?

No, he's still beatable, but I think he'd have beaten the likes of Garcia/Prescott.

I think a fully functional brain would help him as much as a solid chin would.

Fair point, his in-ring intelligence is shocking.

SNG wrote:Fair point, his in-ring intelligence is shocking.

Even after the Collazo fight?

VG_Addict wrote:

SNG wrote:Fair point, his in-ring intelligence is shocking.

Even after the Collazo fight?

One fight against an ageing way passed-prime fighter doesn't make me think his ring intelligence has improved. He boxed to orders against Kotelnik years ago, it's all well and good when your opponent doesn't offer much in the way of resistance. It's a different story against other contenders. The Devon Alexander fight should go in a similar fashion, wait for the Mayweather hype train then.

SNG wrote:

VG_Addict wrote:

SNG wrote:Fair point, his in-ring intelligence is shocking.

Even after the Collazo fight?

One fight against an aging way passed-prime fighter doesn't make me think his ring intelligence has improved. He boxed to orders against Kotelnik years ago, it's all well and good when your opponent doesn't offer much in the way of resistance. It's a different story against other contenders. The Devon Alexander fight should go in a similar fashion, wait for the Mayweather hype train then.

OK, what does Khan do wrong?

He panics when he's buzzed. It's an admirable characteristic in some fighters that as soon as he's hurt he just throws at the other fighter but Khan doesn't have the chin for it, as soon as he's hurt any plan goes out of the window. He also jumps in and out, as seen in the Garcia fight.

SNG wrote:He panics when he's buzzed. It's an admirable characteristic in some fighters that as soon as he's hurt he just throws at the other fighter but Khan doesn't have the chin for it, as soon as he's hurt any plan goes out of the window. He also jumps in and out, as seen in the Garcia fight.

He panics when he gets rocked. The problem is, he's not that hard to hurt.

Is it just me, or did Khan still look hittable in the Collazo fight?

What else.

Khan's been hittable since he was fighting overblown super feathweights like Willie Limmond. What else would you like me to say? When your chin is as poor as Khan's, and he has quite poor recuperative abilities perhaps he should learn not to jump in and out so he doesn't get caught and when he does get caught, he should learn how to tie up a fighter/cling or smother rather than trying to throw back.

fergusg wrote:I believe that it’s only casual boxing observers perpetuating a widespread myth that Amir Khan has a suspect chin.

It seems fairly obvious to me that Amir is a durable fighter that is clearly capable of taking a lot of punishment and has a proven ability to recover really quickly to the majority of dire situations he’s found himself in.

The problem with Khan… is his porous defence! He can be hit… and as many fighters will testify, a boxer cannot have a reasonable expectation to remain standing when you keep allowing your opponents to cleanly land their powerful blows!

No, Khan clearly has a weak chin. He got KO'd by Prescott, stopped by Garcia, dropped and rocked by shot Julio Diaz, and badly rocked by Maidana.

I've heard some people say that Khan has good recuperative abilities, and I have to wonder if they're talking about another fighter. Khan's recuperative abilities are terrible. When he got rocked by Maidana, he stayed hurt the whole round, and when he got dropped by Garcia, he had a whole minute between rounds to recover. He gets dropped and hurt seconds into the next round.

fergusg wrote:I believe that it’s only casual boxing observers perpetuating a widespread myth that Amir Khan has a suspect chin.

What makes you say that?

SNG wrote:

fergusg wrote:I believe that it’s only casual boxing observers perpetuating a widespread myth that Amir Khan has a suspect chin.

What makes you say that?

It's amazing that people are STILL in denial about Khan's chin, in spite of the mountain of evidence pointing to him having a weak chin.

VG_Addict wrote:

SNG wrote:

fergusg wrote:I believe that it’s only casual boxing observers perpetuating a widespread myth that Amir Khan has a suspect chin.

What makes you say that?

It's amazing that people are STILL in denial about Khan's chin, in spite of the mountain of evidence pointing to him having a weak chin.

It isn't just the famous stoppages/knockdowns, he was hurt by fighters who brought in from lower weight classes to be knock overs. Offensively he has so many tools but his lack of chin isn't even up for debate for me, I'm not knocking his heart. He was even trying to get up against Prescott but he clearly can't hold a big shot.

SNG wrote:
It isn't just the famous stoppages/knockdowns, he was hurt by fighters who brought in from lower weight classes to be knock overs. Offensively he has so many tools but his lack of chin isn't even up for debate for me, I'm not knocking his heart. He was even trying to get up against Prescott but he clearly can't hold a big shot.

Like I said, another problem is that when he gets hurt, he STAYS hurt.

VG_Addict wrote:

SNG wrote:
It isn't just the famous stoppages/knockdowns, he was hurt by fighters who brought in from lower weight classes to be knock overs. Offensively he has so many tools but his lack of chin isn't even up for debate for me, I'm not knocking his heart. He was even trying to get up against Prescott but he clearly can't hold a big shot.

Like I said, another problem is that when he gets hurt, he STAYS hurt.

It's that, but he also does everything wrong when he's hurt. Getting hurt isn't terrible as with the correct tactics you can recover, but throwing punches and leaving your chin out to dry is suicide.

SNG wrote:

VG_Addict wrote:

SNG wrote:
It isn't just the famous stoppages/knockdowns, he was hurt by fighters who brought in from lower weight classes to be knock overs. Offensively he has so many tools but his lack of chin isn't even up for debate for me, I'm not knocking his heart. He was even trying to get up against Prescott but he clearly can't hold a big shot.

Like I said, another problem is that when he gets hurt, he STAYS hurt.

It's that, but he also does everything wrong when he's hurt. Getting hurt isn't terrible as with the correct tactics you can recover, but throwing punches and leaving your chin out to dry is suicide.

When Khan throws punches like that, he leaves himself WIDE open for a counter.

Khan has been out on his feet more than once, staggering back to his corner all glassy-eyed, and allowed to continue. Most boxers would not have been allowed to continue at that point. I guess his wanting to continue gives him heart. I have seen many, many fights stopped when guys are hurt like Khan has been.

His latest claim is that he has never been knocked out. How many fighters are actually knocked out cold? He also said he is on the top of every top fighter's list, and said him and Floyd are the super-stars of boxing. Not sure if I should laugh or throw up. I can't think of a fighter I would like to see KO'd more than Khan. I think Alexander is under-rated by most in this fight.

VG_Addict wrote:

fergusg wrote:I believe that it’s only casual boxing observers perpetuating a widespread myth that Amir Khan has a suspect chin.

It seems fairly obvious to me that Amir is a durable fighter that is clearly capable of taking a lot of punishment and has a proven ability to recover really quickly to the majority of dire situations he’s found himself in.

The problem with Khan… is his porous defence! He can be hit… and as many fighters will testify, a boxer cannot have a reasonable expectation to remain standing when you keep allowing your opponents to cleanly land their powerful blows!

No, Khan clearly has a weak chin. He got KO'd by Prescott, stopped by Garcia, dropped and rocked by shot Julio Diaz, and badly rocked by Maidana.

I've heard some people say that Khan has good recuperative abilities, and I have to wonder if they're talking about another fighter. Khan's recuperative abilities are terrible. When he got rocked by Maidana, he stayed hurt the whole round, and when he got dropped by Garcia, he had a whole minute between rounds to recover. He gets dropped and hurt seconds into the next round.

A bit harsh as Prescott was 19-0 at the time with 18KOs and we know all about Maidana.
Khan is open as already stated, being hit flush is a problem for most boxers. Yes he could deal with it better but doesn't he flaps, doesn't make him glassy chinned imo at least.

Khan should restrict his bouts to Macau--a perfect place for a guy with a China Chin.

C'mon, Khan's chin is poor. Willie Limond should not be able to drop a decent chinned fighter for a 9.9 count - even with a run up.

Lenny Cravats wrote:C'mon, Khan's chin is poor. Willie Limond should not be able to drop a decent chinned fighter for a 9.9 count - even with a run up.

He also got floored by Craig Watson in the amateurs.

What bothers me are the excuses people make for Khan getting dropped/KO'd.

"He got hit on the temple/neck!". Ignoring that "chin" refers to general punch resistance, and not a fighter's actual chin.

"He's never been KO'd cold!". A fighter doesn't have to get put out cold to be considered weak-chinned. If a fighter gets rocked or dropped often, chances are he has a weak chin.

Against the people he's fought?
He'd probably be undefeated. Garcia is the only unknown there, as he can bang, but Amir was dominating until that 1 punch. (but you could also argue that 1 punch would have put most guys down)

But given that he'd likely have been in bigger fights by now, if he had not had the losses, he would most likely still have a loss or 2 on the record.
Not a criticism. just that he is in a very good division and there are 2 or 3 guys in that weight class that could beat him with or without the suspect beard.

Khan has good technique, good movement and isn't as daft as some make out.
He has issues with decision making and focus but the chin is the big factor that has seen him dropped most times.

For me, if you took away that one major weakness the blistering handspeed would be the leveler in most fights and he could get away with the occasional lack of focus.
Even the fights he would lose would be interesting and his speed would give anyone trouble

davie wrote:Against the people he's fought?
He'd probably be undefeated. Garcia is the only unknown there, as he can bang, but Amir was dominating until that 1 punch. (but you could also argue that 1 punch would have put most guys down)

But given that he'd likely have been in bigger fights by now, if he had not had the losses, he would most likely still have a loss or 2 on the record.
Not a criticism. just that he is in a very good division and there are 2 or 3 guys in that weight class that could beat him with or without the suspect beard.

Khan has good technique, good movement and isn't as daft as some make out.
He has issues with decision making and focus but the chin is the big factor that has seen him dropped most times.

For me, if you took away that one major weakness the blistering handspeed would be the leveler in most fights and he could get away with the occasional lack of focus.
Even the fights he would lose would be interesting and his speed would give anyone trouble

OK, what does Khan do that makes you say he has good technique? He has a low ring IQ, which is part of why he gets hurt/dropped often.

And Prescott is probably overrated as a puncher.

Sure he was 19-0 with 17 KOs going into the Khan bout, but the majority of those KOs came against novice no-hopers in Colombia.
Since he relocated to the U.S. and raising the level of opposition, Prescott is a very pedestrian 8-6 with only 3 stoppages.
If Khan had a chin, he had no business being blitzed by Prescott.