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tiny_acres wrote:Too hard a task.nice effort.just so subjective

fergusg wrote:Even though there'll always be an inevitable “pendulum swinging” effect found in most casual boxing fans and also the media where they go from one vine (fighter) to the next based on the sport’s most recent noteworthy performance... the actual pound-for-pound rankings should be more static in nature.

A fighter has to accomplish something perceived as "significant" in order to be elevated up the rankings, which doesn't seem to be the case here.

Therefore, whilst I endorse your attempts at ranking the top 30 pound-for-pounders in the sport, there's far too much erratic movement for my liking.

mullenman wrote:Tyson fury has to be in there
he has done everything asked of him so far

till he gets knocked out he has to be in the top 30

fergusg wrote:

Horse wrote:

fergusg wrote:Even though there'll always be an inevitable “pendulum swinging” effect found in most casual boxing fans and also the media where they go from one vine (fighter) to the next based on the sport’s most recent noteworthy performance... the actual pound-for-pound rankings should be more static in nature.

A fighter has to accomplish something perceived as "significant" in order to be elevated up the rankings, which doesn't seem to be the case here.

Therefore, whilst I endorse your attempts at ranking the top 30 pound-for-pounders in the sport, there's far too much erratic movement for my liking.

This list is not erratic.

If a fighter gets a big win then of course they are going to move up a fair bit, that is common sense.

According to your rankings, Wladimir Klitschko was elevated to 5th place (from 13th) amongst your pound-for-pound rankings… on the back of his victory over Kubrat Pulev, who genuinely wasn’t considered as a serious threat to Dr Steelhammer’s title reign.

Sergey Kovalev was also promoted to being ranked 8th on the back of his one-sided victory over a 50 year old man that wasn’t considered by the majority of media outlets as a top ten pound-for-pounder.

Terence Crawford was promoted to 13th place in your rankings, on the back of defeating a second-tier fighter like Raymundo Beltran.

Marcos Maidana was ejected by your rankings altogether, but you rate Kell Brook in 23rd place (up one place from 24th the previous month)… and Keith Thurman doesn’t even get a mention.

Meanwhile, fighters like Juan Manuel Marquez , Gennady Golovkin, Guillermo Rigondeaux, Canelo Alvarez etc. all faced drops of at least two places for no apparent reason whatsoever.

My gripe isn’t your rankings per se, but merely the volume of movements, with fighters facing ranking falls or rises for no apparent reason whatsoever.

Therefore, it’s “common sense” to question the logic behind fighters benefitting from huge leaps in the rankings for defeating second tier opposition, whilst others are either promoted or relegated by two or more places for no apparent reason whatsoever!

Leonid wrote:Seems like flyweights are overrated here. Its not the most deep division, and Gonzalez is #3 p4p? Should he beat Estrada again, moving up seems inevitable, while Pac and Floyd duck each other. I agree he's a great fighter, he got up there by beating 2 of the top 5 guys of his division recently (btw, other than that - none of the 5-15 caliber fighters within a few years timeframe), but so did many other fighters. Off the top of my head - Klitschko, Froch, Rigondeaux, Bradley, Alvares, both Garcias, Huck.. Even guys like Povetkin (who beat Huch and Takam, but is not even in this top 30) may have a shout by a little stretch.

Ian1973 wrote:Terrible Horse, sorry. We're talking 2014 rankings here not 2010. Plus, why is Gonzalez top 5? He's becoming the new Martin Murray. Golovkin at 10 is absolutely comical, Froch is actually above him FFS! Come on man, join planet earth. ;;-)

At least Wlad's position is finally realistic, fair play to you for that one.

mullenman wrote:Tyson fury has to be in there
he has done everything asked of him so far

till he gets knocked out he has to be in the top 30

Ettt9350 wrote:Cotto needs to be higher without any debate.

Leonid wrote:Seems like flyweights are overrated here. Its not the most deep division, and Gonzalez is #3 p4p? Should he beat Estrada again, moving up seems inevitable, while Pac and Floyd duck each other. I agree he's a great fighter, he got up there by beating 2 of the top 5 guys of his division recently (btw, other than that - none of the 5-15 caliber fighters within a few years timeframe), but so did many other fighters. Off the top of my head - Klitschko, Froch, Rigondeaux, Bradley, Alvares, both Garcias, Huck.. Even guys like Povetkin (who beat Huch and Takam, but is not even in this top 30) may have a shout by a little stretch.

fergusg wrote:According to your rankings, Wladimir Klitschko was elevated to 5th place (from 13th) amongst your pound-for-pound rankings… on the back of his victory over Kubrat Pulev, who genuinely wasn’t considered as a serious threat to Dr Steelhammer’s title reign.

Sergey Kovalev was also promoted to being ranked 8th on the back of his one-sided victory over a 50 year old man that wasn’t considered by the majority of media outlets as a top ten pound-for-pounder.

Terence Crawford was promoted to 13th place in your rankings, on the back of defeating a second-tier fighter like Raymundo Beltran.

fergusg wrote:Marcos Maidana was ejected by your rankings altogether, but you rate Kell Brook in 23rd place (up one place from 24th the previous month)… and Keith Thurman doesn’t even get a mention.

fergusg wrote:Meanwhile, fighters like Juan Manuel Marquez , Gennady Golovkin, Guillermo Rigondeaux, Canelo Alvarez etc. all faced drops of at least two places for no apparent reason whatsoever.

fergusg wrote:My gripe isn’t your rankings per se, but merely the volume of movements, with fighters facing ranking falls or rises for no apparent reason whatsoever.

Therefore, it’s “common sense” to question the logic behind fighters benefitting from huge leaps in the rankings for defeating second tier opposition, whilst others are either promoted or relegated by two or more places for no apparent reason whatsoever!

Finch wrote:How does Rigo drop below Froch since they haven't fought this last month?

If two fighters don't fight, they any switch places surely!

Ettt9350 wrote:Cotto needs to be higher without any debate.

HyacinthusTurnipseed wrote:I take it Rigondeaux is moving down for his underwhelming post-Donaire opposition? And Ward is moving down for inactivity? You got a set plan on how far you're going to move 'em down next month assuming things don't change?

HyacinthusTurnipseed wrote:Not going to get into the general Wlad debate again but why did the Pulev win in particular vault him so high?

fergusg wrote:You have shuffled the pack considerably, resulting in 27 places being populated by different fighters in comparison to the previous month. Therefore, I stand by my remarks.

fergusg wrote:You tinker too much. Calm it down a tad by only making adjustments for major results, rather than needlessly shuffling a couple of places here and there, because you'll only end up reversing some of those tweaks at a later date.