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fergusg wrote:Floyd coped quite well with a 165lb version of Marcos Maidana who threw 858 heavy-handed punches over the course of 12 fast-paced rounds, which is 29% more shots thrown than Manny could manage against Algieri.

End of thread!

bnovelist wrote:We know who the better technical boxer is this isn't the question...

Can Floyd, really truely keep with Manny's furious pace? I mean EVERY exchange with Pac is HIGH STAKES...If miss one time, if you

are off balance, if you over commit yourself, any of these he tries to take you head off. EVERY EXCHANGE. Can Floyd deal with this for

12 FULL ROUNDS? Madaina is furious but his is more of a classic flat footed approach it's not the same as Manny's.

northern wrote:I don't think Maidana compares to Manny really though, both are powerful punchers no question and yeah Maidana throws more but is he as accurate as Manny Is ? just comparing styles again, Maidana is a beast, he throws everything at his opponents and physically dominates them, Manny he has destroyed a few of his opponents in the past but he dismantles them round after round more recently and just takes them apart with better all round boxing skills.

I don't know the full stats of their last few fights, I'm just going on what I've seen them both capable of in the past.

ikorolev wrote:

northern wrote:I don't think Maidana compares to Manny really though, both are powerful punchers no question and yeah Maidana throws more but is he as accurate as Manny Is ? just comparing styles again, Maidana is a beast, he throws everything at his opponents and physically dominates them, Manny he has destroyed a few of his opponents in the past but he dismantles them round after round more recently and just takes them apart with better all round boxing skills.

I don't know the full stats of their last few fights, I'm just going on what I've seen them both capable of in the past.

If Floyd finds new reasons to not fight Manny, I think Manny should fight Maidana to make it clear that he is in a different league.

davie wrote:Prime Pac would have been too much for Floyd.
At the time when the fight should have happened, i'd have agreed with bnovelist, there was a couple years where pacquiao looked unstoppable.
The relelentless pressure Manny would have put him under would have been too much and unless Floyd had a very favorable ref helping him he'd have lost that fight

but both men are now past their prime and pac doesn't have quite the same pace or intensity he once had and the algieri fight has done nothing to convince me otherwise
Mayweather sneaks a points decision now.
I've been of thew same opinion for a few years now.

Badhusker wrote:
Remember that the "unstoppable" Pac was the one that outright refused random blood testing, and made up lies about his fears from it and needles, despite having many tatoos. Now Ariza left, and he is ok with random testing, he looks "mortal" again. Not hard to figure it out.

fergusg wrote:

northern wrote:I don't think Maidana compares to Manny really though, both are powerful punchers no question and yeah Maidana throws more but is he as accurate as Manny Is ? just comparing styles again, Maidana is a beast, he throws everything at his opponents and physically dominates them, Manny he has destroyed a few of his opponents in the past but he dismantles them round after round more recently and just takes them apart with better all round boxing skills.

I don't know the full stats of their last few fights, I'm just going on what I've seen them both capable of in the past.

Thread is about the following question:

"Can Floyd, really truly keep with Manny's furious pace?"

The fact that Floyd coped with a 165lb version of Marcos Maidana that probably weighs close to 20lbs heavier than the Filipino, coupled with his work-rate being 29% higher than Pacquiao's, almost certainly supply's the obvious answer to that extremely simple question!

End of thread!

Badhusker wrote:

davie wrote:Prime Pac would have been too much for Floyd.
At the time when the fight should have happened, i'd have agreed with bnovelist, there was a couple years where pacquiao looked unstoppable.
The relelentless pressure Manny would have put him under would have been too much and unless Floyd had a very favorable ref helping him he'd have lost that fight

but both men are now past their prime and pac doesn't have quite the same pace or intensity he once had and the algieri fight has done nothing to convince me otherwise
Mayweather sneaks a points decision now.
I've been of thew same opinion for a few years now.

Remember that the "unstoppable" Pac was the one that outright refused random blood testing, and made up lies about his fears from it and needles, despite having many tatoos. Now Ariza left, and he is ok with random testing, he looks "mortal" again. Not hard to figure it out.

fergusg wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:Difference is Pacquiao has NEVER had a problem touching an opponent even in his losses. Maidana had more problems with Alexander than he did with Floyd.

That is a FACT

Irrelevant! Your point doesn't relate to the actual topic of this thread.

fergusg wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:Difference is Pacquiao has NEVER had a problem touching an opponent even in his losses. Maidana had more problems with Alexander than he did with Floyd.

That is a FACT

Irrelevant! Your point doesn't relate to the actual topic of this thread.

fergusg wrote: Do have have difficulty reading English language? The topic of the thread is about Mayweather's ability to cope with fighting at a fast pace...

fergusg wrote: Do have have difficulty reading English language? The topic of the thread is about Mayweather's ability to cope with fighting at a fast pace... so I referred to Floyd's fight against Maidana, who threw 29% more punches than Pacquiao could manage in his last fight... In fact, I don't recall Manny ever throwing that amount of punches in any of his recent contests.

fergusg wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:

fergusg wrote: Do have have difficulty reading English language? The topic of the thread is about Mayweather's ability to cope with fighting at a fast pace... so I referred to Floyd's fight against Maidana, who threw 29% more punches than Pacquiao could manage in his last fight... In fact, I don't recall Manny ever throwing that amount of punches in any of his recent contests.

But Manny can landed more in his last few fights than Maidana did against even Adrien Broner

We’re not talking about Adrien Broner!

fergusg wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:

fergusg wrote: Do have have difficulty reading English language? The topic of the thread is about Mayweather's ability to cope with fighting at a fast pace... so I referred to Floyd's fight against Maidana, who threw 29% more punches than Pacquiao could manage in his last fight... In fact, I don't recall Manny ever throwing that amount of punches in any of his recent contests.

But Manny can landed more in his last few fights than Maidana did against even Adrien Broner

We’re not talking about Adrien Broner! The topic of the thread is Floyd’s ability to fight at a fast pace for 12 rounds, which he proved against Maidana!

Are you guys intentionally trying to divert the topic under discussion, because my claim is an irrefutable statistical fact, or are you intellectually-sub-normal?

fergusg wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:No it wasn't, it was the ability to fight 12 rounds with PACQUIAO not can he fight 12 rounds period or fight 12 rounds with Maidana who is a different fighter.

Learn to read!

bnovelist wrote:Can Floyd Honestly Keep With Manny's Pace??

bnovelist wrote:Can Floyd, really truly keep with Manny's furious pace?

bnovelist wrote:That's one hell of a pace to defend against for a full 12 round contest.

I simply supplied a fighter that fought at a higher intensity than Manny Pacquiao has done for at least several years, when I posted the following sentence!

Floyd coped quite well with a 165lb version of Marcos Maidana who threw 858 heavy-handed punches over the course of 12 fast-paced rounds, which is 29% more shots thrown than Manny could manage against Algieri.

Do you notice the constant theme? It’s all about PACE, PACE, PACE, PACE, PACE!!!

And Manny's pace which is more effective is different from Maidana's pace which is generally less ineffective

End of thread!

fergusg wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:And Manny's pace which is more effective is different from Maidana's pace which is generally less ineffective

The original topic of the thread was questioning Floyd’s ability to fight at pace for 12 full-rounds… if you want to speculate that Manny’s pace, coupled with his ability, reflexes etc. would trouble Mayweather, then that’s a different subject matter altogether!

The original argument has already been undermined!

You just want to divert the topic under discussion as a weak play to move your stance onto more solid ground!