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Fighter of The Millenium '00-'15

Posted: 08 Dec 2014, 19:33
by Ricky_
As we approach 2015, who has been your Fighter of the Millenium so far? My short list for consideration (not in order):


1. Wladimir Klitchko - Wladimir was just reaching world level around 2000. Dominant wins against Barret & Byrd put him in the frame for a world title, becoming champion easily knocking out Derrick Jefferson in round 2. It started to go wrong for Wladimir when he met Corrie Sanders, who smacked him around inside 2 rounds, soon followed by a KO loss to Brewster. Wladimir went back to the drawing board with Manny Steward after that loss and reinvented hismelf, becoming one of the most dominant HW champions in history, although, against weaker comeptition. Wladimir is since unbeaten since 2004, with notable wins against David Haye to unify, Unbeaten Samual Peter x2, unbeaten Povetkin & Tony Thompson.


2. Lennox Lewis (post Evander Holyfield) - Both wins against Holyfield (although 1 was a "draw") both came in 1999. WE only got to see Lennox fight 6 times since the millenium, 1 of which was a KO loss to Rahman, although it was brutally avenged. Lewis showed he was simply a different class of Heavyweight though, blasting out the unbeaten Grant in 2 rounds, 40-2 Botha inside 2, 118-110 the 37&1 Tua, and finished his career with KO wins over ATG's Mike Tyson & Vital Klitchko.


3. Bernard Hopkins - The everlasting Hopkins, it's hard to pin point exactly when this guys prime really was, for me it's around 2001, a masterful performance against the 41&0 Trinidad. Hopkins started the millenium with 10 wins in a row in world title fights - including the KO win over Oscar DeLaHoya, before finally losing to Jermaine Taylor via SD, and making it 2 L's in a row when he lost the rematch. BHop bounced back by schooling Tarver & winky Wright, a loss to Calzaghe seemed it may have marked the end but Hopkins bounced back by schooling the feared and 34&0 Kelly Pavlik. Hopkins broke records and beat father time, winning the world light heavyweight title from Pascal, although finally looks close to retirement with recent loses to Dawson & Kovalev.


4. Joe Calzaghe - The unbeaten man (46&0), Calzaghe is 20&0 from 2000 and is the longest reigning super middleweight champion in history of the sport. Criticism of Calzaghe is that Joe's best in came late in his career against Bernard Hopkins, and only beat RJJ once he was shot. Other notable wins for Calzaghe would be the destruction of Jeff Lacey, and an outstanding win against a prime, unbeaten 39&0 Mikkel Kessler.


5. Floyd Mayweather Junior - another unbeaten man, around 2000 was arguably Floyd's prime, with his destruction of Diego Corrales coming in 2001. It wasn't long after that however than Floyd twice met his bogey man JL Castillo, with many believing Floyd lost the first, if not both, of those fights. There's been few fighters to have stood in Floyd's way since however, notable wins came over Corley, the destruction of Gatti, Mitchell and Judah put Floyd as the no.1 p4p fighter in the world as he moved through 140lb & 147lb. He was moved out his comfort zone to face the bigger, but aged, Oscar DeLaHoya, showing himself to simply be the better, slicker fighter than DeLaHoya, and picking up a title in 154lb division. Notable wins since then having been taking Ricky Hatton's undefeated record with a systematic knock out, and points wins over Mosley, Cotto & the young unbeaten Saul Alvarez.


6. Manny Pacquiao - Pacquiao burst on to the scene in 2001 as an unheard of 14-1 underdog against the feared 33&1 Ledwaba. Pacquiao announced hismelf to America by blitzing Ledwaba inside 6. After Ledwaba, Pacquiao began knocking opponents out for fun as he moved through the weight classes. His next big win coming against the legendary Barrera, who had never been stopped, his corner waving the fight off in the 11th after a 1-sided beating. Pacquiao lost a close decision to Morales in 2005, a loss he avenged with 2 sensational KO victories over Morales in 2006. In 2008 Pacquiao added a win over another ATG with a closely disputed fight over Marquez in a rematch of a fight that ended in a draw. After Marquez, Pacquiao reached super-stardom, blitzing David Diaz, Oscar DeLaHoya, Ricky Hatton, Miguel Cotto, Margarito & Shane Mosley. Another close yet controversial victory over Marquez seen a rematch in which Pacquiao was put to sleep however in a brutal 1 shot punch KO at the fist of his bogey-man Marquez. Pacquiao bounced back with a win over P4P ranked Timothy Bradley.


7. Juan Manuel Marquez - in contention with Chavez as one of the greatest Mexican fighters ever. The greatest win of Marquez career ofcourse, the sensational 1 punch KO over Manny Pacquiao. If Marquez isn't the fighter of the millenium so far, he certainly has the KO of the millenium. Marquez amazing power/counter punching style has seen him in some amazing fights, notable wins came against Katsidis, Diaz, Barrera & Casamayor.


8. Marco Antonio Barrera - Barrera was a beats of a fighter, knocking opponents out with ease for much of his career, from 2000, Barrera's first major fight came against Eric morales, losing by split decision. MAB responded with 8 straight victories, one of which was against the HOF fighter Naseem Hamed, taking his 35&0 record, and revenge over Morales, taking his 41&0 record with a decision victory, followed by UD of the 52 win Tapia. After losing to Pacquiao, Barrera won the bounce match against Morales, putting him 2-1 up. MAB retired in 2011 with 67 wins.


9. Eric Morales - Another ATG Mexican Warrior, 41&0 including a win over Barrera before his streak came to an end to Barrera giving him a rematch. Morales bet victory however came against another ATG in Manny Pacquiao winning a 115-113UD in 2005. It was followed however by 4 straight defeats. Morales showed what a great warrior he truly is fighting (and beating in most people's cards) with 1 eye gainst bg punching Maidana. Morales career came to a sad end in a brave performance against Danny Garcia where he was nearly knocked out the ring.


10. Andre Ward - A bit of a late one to the party, Ward still an Amatuer in 2004- winning gold at the Olympics. Over the last 5 years Ward has established himself as one of the best technicians in the game adding some outstanding wins to boot. wins include Mikkel Kessler, Green, Bika, Abraham & Froch, cleaning out what wast he most competitive division in boxing.

Re: Fighter of The Millenium '00-'15

Posted: 08 Dec 2014, 23:18
by JCS
Lennox Lewis is way too high.

Other than that, it's not a bad list. Rather see Mosley at #10 than Ward... maybe he deserves to be higher though. Winky and Vitali.. maybe two other guys who are close.. Calzaghe seems a touch high.


Would have to sit on the exact placements for a bit.

Re: Fighter of The Millenium '00-'15

Posted: 09 Dec 2014, 03:34
by davie
JCS wrote:Lennox Lewis is way too high.

Other than that, it's not a bad list. Rather see Mosley at #10 than Ward... maybe he deserves to be higher though. Winky and Vitali.. maybe two other guys who are close.. Calzaghe seems a touch high.


Would have to sit on the exact placements for a bit.
i can't make a case for Lennox this century when he had 6 fights this century and his best wins were pre 2000
if he gets in, then so does RJJ

Manny edges floyd for me
floyd has spent longer at the top of the p4p ranking. but manny has faced the better opposition.
they should have fought and at different times in the last 10 years i'd have picked different fighter to win.
i suspect the style and entertainment factor from manny edges it and the fact i like him better biases my decision i'm afraid

Re: Fighter of The Millenium '00-'15

Posted: 09 Dec 2014, 04:45
by zero
I think Hopkins deserves the spot the fact he is still competitive is astonishing.

Re: Fighter of The Millenium '00-'15

Posted: 09 Dec 2014, 07:48
by dominik
If we just consider achievements after 00 and ignore what happened before I think floyd takes the cake with pac being a Close second.

Re: Fighter of The Millenium '00-'15

Posted: 09 Dec 2014, 08:25
by Ricky_
JCS wrote:Lennox Lewis is way too high.

Other than that, it's not a bad list. Rather see Mosley at #10 than Ward... maybe he deserves to be higher though. Winky and Vitali.. maybe two other guys who are close.. Calzaghe seems a touch high.


Would have to sit on the exact placements for a bit.


I never wrote it intended as a list, just 10 fighters i thought were viable candidates. I started from Heavyweight and worked my way down, by #10 i wasn't entirely sure who I was going to add, Winky, Vitali, Oscar & Mosley all featured in my consideration but settled on Ward in the end for having the most 'best wins' & no defeats.


For me #1 clearly has to be Pacquiao, I always loved Mexican fighters and that quartet of MAB, Morales, Marquez and Pac, the Filipino has beat them all, stopping both MAB & Morales in or around their primes.

Re: Fighter of The Millenium '00-'15

Posted: 09 Dec 2014, 08:27
by Batley18
Get Andre Ward off that list, other than that I like it. Rather have Butterbean on it than him.

FMJ is the only winner.

Re: Fighter of The Millenium '00-'15

Posted: 09 Dec 2014, 08:49
by tiny_acres
1 and 2 have to be without any question Floyd and Pac in any order you prefer.
No one's accomplishments even come close to their's this century.

Re: Fighter of The Millenium '00-'15

Posted: 09 Dec 2014, 09:12
by Cloutov
I voted for Floyd, but I can see Manny up there. In term of accomplishment i would like to vote also for Nard because years after years he still fight regulary and he is still at 50 one of the top light heavy in there.

Re: Fighter of The Millenium '00-'15

Posted: 09 Dec 2014, 09:31
by greg
...I'll go for Floyd followed by Wlad and Bhop...

Re: Fighter of The Millenium '00-'15

Posted: 09 Dec 2014, 09:39
by Bard of Boxrec
Floyd.

Re: Fighter of The Millenium '00-'15

Posted: 09 Dec 2014, 09:58
by jezzamundo
greg wrote:...I'll go for Floyd followed by Wlad and Bhop...
No Manny? He's certainly fought significantly better opposition than Wlad and his losses are much less embarrassing.

Re: Fighter of The Millenium '00-'15

Posted: 09 Dec 2014, 10:14
by jezzamundo
I think you really have to have Floyd and Manny at #1 and #2, in either order. Floyd has been a top p4p fighter for longer, but in my opinion Manny's peak has been more impressive. Here's my list, based on the available options:

1. Mayweather
1. Pacquiao
3. Hopkins
4. Marquez
5. Morales
6. Barrera
7. Calzaghe
8. W.Klitschko
9. Ward
10. Lewis

IMO Lewis clearly rates as a greater heavyweight than Wlad, but obviously the latter has achieved more this millenium.

Re: Fighter of The Millenium '00-'15

Posted: 09 Dec 2014, 10:58
by Ricky_
jezzamundo wrote:I think you really have to have Floyd and Manny at #1 and #2, in either order. Floyd has been a top p4p fighter for longer, but in my opinion Manny's peak has been more impressive. Here's my list, based on the available options:

1. Mayweather
1. Pacquiao
3. Hopkins
4. Marquez
5. Morales
6. Barrera
7. Calzaghe
8. W.Klitschko
9. Ward
10. Lewis

IMO Lewis clearly rates as a greater heavyweight than Wlad, but obviously the latter has achieved more this millenium.
Good list, out of interest, if it wasn't limited to the 10 nominated fighters i put up, would you have anyone else in? Perhaps Mosley in place of Lewis?

I'd go with;

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Marquez
4. Barrera
5. Morales
6. Calzaghe
7. Hopkins
8. Lewis
9. Ward
10. W.Klitschko

The biggest factor for me is wins, Pacquiao has numerous against ATG fighters in or around their prime. The most disapointing aspect of Floyd's career is he doesn't really have any, he's consistently outclassed and outboxed great fighters perhaps a little out of their prime, but lacks that 1 definitive victory to come close to Pacquiao, who has a few of them, and 8 weight division championships.

Marquez Barrera & Morales are the next tier for me, again using my same criteria, knocking Pacquiao out cold is the greatest win this millenium, and clearly puts him infront of the other 2, also factoring he beat MAB. Barrera/Morales is a tough 1, very difficult to split them.

As for the Middle>LHW's Calzaghe/Ward/Hopkins, I'm sort of torn between Calzaghe & Hopkins. Bhop has several losses and while winning at such an old age is commendable, i'm not sure it should gain any sympathy points. Ward's too inactive at the moment, but who knows, 4 or 5 more fights he could prove to be the best of the 3.

Lennox over Wlad for me, even though Lewis's activity is limited from 2000 onwards, beating Vitali by stoppage is about 10x better than any win Wlad has. Infact, ktfo a shot Tyson is probably still better than decisioning a blown up Haye - but Wlad deserves his props, it might be a very weak era, but he's completely dominated it.

Re: Fighter of The Millenium '00-'15

Posted: 09 Dec 2014, 11:22
by Rodian
Pacquiao because he isnt a coward.

Re: Fighter of The Millenium '00-'15

Posted: 09 Dec 2014, 13:21
by Counter-puncher
Calzaghe? Calzaghe? 3 votes for Calzaghe?

by god, I have some manlove for Joe, but that's just sick...

Re: Fighter of The Millenium '00-'15

Posted: 09 Dec 2014, 13:55
by JCS
How is Ward making lists.. but Mosley and Cotto are not?

Re: Fighter of The Millenium '00-'15

Posted: 09 Dec 2014, 14:01
by Ricky_
JCS wrote:How is Ward making lists.. but Mosley and Cotto are not?

I considered both. I went with Ward because this is for nominees for best fighter over the last 15 years. It's almost impossible to make the case that Cotto or Mosley being ahead of Mayweather or Pacquiao on the basis that both of them lost to each, and both have a couple of losses that tends to show they failed once they reached that top, ATG level.

Re: Fighter of The Millenium '00-'15

Posted: 09 Dec 2014, 14:07
by JCS
Ricky_ wrote:
JCS wrote:How is Ward making lists.. but Mosley and Cotto are not?

I considered both. I went with Ward because this is for nominees for best fighter over the last 15 years. It's almost impossible to make the case that Cotto or Mosley being ahead of Mayweather or Pacquiao on the basis that both of them lost to each, and both have a couple of losses that tends to show they failed once they reached that top, ATG level.
Harry Simon is undefeated. Does he get a nomination?

Re: Fighter of The Millenium '00-'15

Posted: 09 Dec 2014, 14:14
by Ricky_
JCS wrote:
Ricky_ wrote:
JCS wrote:How is Ward making lists.. but Mosley and Cotto are not?

I considered both. I went with Ward because this is for nominees for best fighter over the last 15 years. It's almost impossible to make the case that Cotto or Mosley being ahead of Mayweather or Pacquiao on the basis that both of them lost to each, and both have a couple of losses that tends to show they failed once they reached that top, ATG level.
Harry Simon is undefeated. Does he get a nomination?

It's not about being undefeated - incase i didn't explain it very well, the losses Cotto & Mosley suffered make it almost impossible to give them the title of "Fighter of the Millenium" (I'm a big fan of both for what it's worth, certainly more so that Ward). So there's simply no way they can take that title. I'd also consider Mosley to be an ATG lightweight, but he didn't compete as a lightweight in 2000 onwards.

Ward on the other hand is a viable contender, imo, no other fighter on the list has cleaned out a division as competitive as 168 like Ward did.

Re: Fighter of The Millenium '00-'15

Posted: 09 Dec 2014, 14:55
by Boxing Prospect
Roman Gonzalez is surely worth being on the list ahead if Ward

Re: Fighter of The Millenium '00-'15

Posted: 10 Dec 2014, 04:56
by jezzamundo
Compiling the Ring Magazine ranking for the end of each year and awarding 10 points for a #1 ranking, through to 1 point for a #10 ranking, they fall in this order:

1. Mayweather - 115 points
2. Pacquiao - 91 points
3. Hopkins - 66 points
4. Marquez - 63 points
5. Mosley - 37 points
6. Jones Jr - 35 points
7. Martinez - 29 points
8. Wlad - 27 points
9. Wright - 26 points
10. Ward - 25 points

Other notables:
De La Hoya - 24 points
Barrera - 24 points
Bradley - 21 points
Tszyu - 19 points
Morales - 18 points
Calzaghe - 14 points
Trinidad - 14 points
Hatton - 14 points
Cotto - 11 points
Lewis - 5 points

Far from conclusive, but kind of fun to look at.

Re: Fighter of The Millenium '00-'15

Posted: 10 Dec 2014, 09:32
by Fergz16COTJ
Rodian wrote:Pacquiao because he isnt a coward.
Hell yeah :TU:

The 'Pacman' for me

Re: Fighter of The Millenium '00-'15

Posted: 10 Dec 2014, 14:02
by ReggieDiggs
fergusg wrote:According to The Ring Magazine's annual pound-for-pound ratings, the answer seems obvious, because Floyd Mayweather Jr. has been ranked accordingly:
• 1998 – 8th
• 1999 – 2nd
• 2000 – 7th
• 2001 – 5th
• 2002 – 8th
• 2003 – 5th
• 2004 – 2nd
• 2005 – 1st
• 2006 – 1st
• 2007 – 1st
• 2008 - Not ranked due to temporary retirement
• 2009 – 2nd
• 2010 – 2nd
• 2011 – 2nd
• 2012 – 1st
• 2013 – 1st
• 2014 – 1st

Has any other fighter, since the start of the Millenium, ever been consistently ranked amongst the very best the sport has to offer? :OhYes: :TU:
This. Don't see how the #1 spot doesn't go to anyone other than Floyd. 15 years of P4Pness in the 2k era. Floyd has been #1 six times, in the top 2 ten times & in the top 10 fourteen times. Show me a guy with better numbers than Floyd in this area & I'll change my answer.

Re: Fighter of The Millenium '00-'15

Posted: 10 Dec 2014, 14:21
by Ricky_
ReggieDiggs wrote: This. Don't see how the #1 spot doesn't go to anyone other than Floyd. 15 years of P4Pness in the 2k era. Floyd has been #1 six times, in the top 2 ten times & in the top 10 fourteen times. Show me a guy with better numbers than Floyd in this area & I'll change my answer.

I can't get past Mayweather lacking in definitive wins. For a fighter of his calibre, and his rating, he has no definitive wins. All the greats have them, Ali's was Foreman, take your picks with Leanord. Floyd's career is absent of a win over an ATG in his prime & usual weight class, and at this point, looks like it ma well stay that way.