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Should he get a Floyd fight?

No. Alexander was beaten by Porter, so unless he KO's him or something like an absolute shutout, he may be on Porter's level, but no higher. He needs a win against a top 5 guy with a belt so he can bring something to the table, imo.

if he wins, good enough for me. he is the $$$$ man in the division. i think boxing wise he is behind garcia, bradley, marquez etc
but styles make fight too, floys wasted his september fight on a crappy remtch vs a guy who lost t devon alexander and khan

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In order for Khan to win, hopefully he makes weight. He recently said in an interview he was sitting there at 151, and said he was 3 pounds over. Good thing he has someone else that is a little smarter helping him make weight.

Riddick Blowe wrote:Paging BAD INTENTIONS

What do you need me for ... Khan is a :global star".

Badhusker wrote:In order for Khan to win, hopefully he makes weight. He recently said in an interview he was sitting there at 151, and said he was 3 pounds over. Good thing he has someone else that is a little smarter helping him make weight.

Khan at 154

Maidana got a Floyd fight for beating Broner, so it clearly doesn't take much to get a Floyd fight....

Badhusker wrote:No. Alexander was beaten by Porter, so unless he KO's him or something like an absolute shutout, he may be on Porter's level, but no higher. He needs a win against a top 5 guy with a belt so he can bring something to the table, imo.

Exactly.

Khan vs Brook should be next, if he wins this Sat.

Should he automatically get the fight? Absolutely not. Devon is good, but he's not on that level where a win over him gets you the biggest guy in the business.

Could he get that fight with a W over Devon? Sure. There isn't a lot of interesting fights that are makeable. Manny isn't makeable due to Bob & Floyd drama imho whatever CBS or anyone else can do to help the fight along. Saul doesn't wanna get outboxed again. Miguel maybe fighting Saul. Those are the 3 biggest options to make right there. Than it gets into the land of up & coming champions basically that I could see any get the fight, but no one stands out & probably most if all aren't as known as Amir is.

verballistic wrote:

fergusg wrote:

Badhusker wrote:No. Alexander was beaten by Porter, so unless he KO's him or something like an absolute shutout, he may be on Porter's level, but no higher. He needs a win against a top 5 guy with a belt so he can bring something to the table, imo.

Fortunately or unfortunately, depending on your point of view… Amir Khan really is a global star! I think the fact that he’s the first-ever Muslim British Pakistani major world champion means that he has a sizeable fan base that may be disproportionate to his boxing talent and his charisma deserves.

In simple terms, Amir Khan brings an awful lot of global media coverage and overseas revenue to any potential super-fight he competes in.

Therefore, whether he deserves it or not, he’s one of the bigger draws of all fighters competing in the 140lb to 154lb weight range!

And let’s not forget that boxers are known as “PRIZE” fighters, not “PRIDE” fighters, which means that "money" often speaks louder than "credibility"!

You're trying to make him sound like Manny Pacquiao...

Pro boxing isnt that big of a sport in the Arab/Muslim world...how many Muslim nations like Pakistan even televise Khan's bouts or any other pro boxing for that matter? I know they occasionally have pro boxing cards in UAE or Egypt, but that's about it. Naz was way more popular in UK and had a larger global following than Khan does.

So I have to disagree that Khan brings that many TV viewers(or live fans) to the table. How many traveling UK fans follow Khan across the pond like they followed Naz or Hatton?

There are millions of muslims in Europe. Soon one could count some European countries as muslim ones

CheckHook wrote:Maidana got a Floyd fight for beating Broner, so it clearly doesn't take much to get a Floyd fight....

Like it or not, Adrien has won titles in 3 divisions. Thats impressive even with the title bonanza we got going on nowadays.

Mayweather-Khan in June

a non hispanic opponent not on a Mexican holiday week

sure to be a big hit

If Floyd continues to duck Pacquiao then it doesn't leave Floyd with much. Not alot of people are sold on Brook even though he's the other title holder, and Khan is a much, much bigger draw.

I don't see any other fighter Floyd can face now other than Khan or Pacquiao.

ReggieDiggs wrote:

CheckHook wrote:Maidana got a Floyd fight for beating Broner, so it clearly doesn't take much to get a Floyd fight....

Like it or not, Adrien has won titles in 3 divisions. Thats impressive even with the title bonanza we got going on nowadays.

Broner was a over hyped mediocre boxer who's best win at 147 was an old Malignaggi.... I don't think he was an impressive scalp at 147 in the slightest, but each to their own.

Ricky_ wrote:If Floyd continues to duck Pacquiao then it doesn't leave Floyd with much. Not alot of people are sold on Brook even though he's the other title holder, and Khan is a much, much bigger draw.

I don't see any other fighter Floyd can face now other than Khan or Pacquiao.

No one knew who the f#ck Marcos was & those fights did around 850k-950k from most reports I saw. There are less big options to cross that 1 million threshold, but there are maybe a dozen guys that get to that 700k-950k mark imho. Hell I think with the right angle Floyd vs Jermain Taylor for a middleweight strap can be one of those that surpassed that 1 mill mark (if he didn't have this shooting case going on anyway). I think the September fight is the one that needs to be big though if that is to be his "last one". First off knowing boxers its unlikely to be his last one, but if it were to be his last he goes out big & if he's not done it makes him more valuable to re-sign for another fight or two.

CheckHook wrote:

ReggieDiggs wrote:

CheckHook wrote:Maidana got a Floyd fight for beating Broner, so it clearly doesn't take much to get a Floyd fight....

Like it or not, Adrien has won titles in 3 divisions. Thats impressive even with the title bonanza we got going on nowadays.

Broner was a over hyped mediocre boxer who's best win at 147 was an old Malignaggi.... I don't think he was an impressive scalp at 147 in the slightest, but each to their own.

If winning three belts in three divisions as a 23 year old isn't impressive to you idk what to tell you. That alone puts him into a small category of professional boxers. You can certainly diss Adrien for many reasons & you can argue the belts are watered down, but you can't argue with results in particular at such a young age or that he's still doing sh!t that people aren't doing even when its watered down.

ReggieDiggs wrote: If winning three belts in three divisions as a 23 year old isn't impressive to you idk what to tell you. That alone puts him into a small category of professional boxers. You can certainly diss Adrien for many reasons & you can argue the belts are watered down, but you can't argue with results in particular at such a young age or that he's still doing sh!t that people aren't doing even when its watered down.

I'm stating that one controversial win over an old Paulie Malignaggi is not what I would call a good 147lb resume. If beating the guy that beat Malignaggi in a close fight gets you a shot at Floyd then you don't need to do much to get a fight with Floyd. That seems pretty obvious to me. Even Broner knows he doesn't belong at welter, that's why he wants to campaign at 140lb.

ReggieDiggs wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:If Floyd continues to duck Pacquiao then it doesn't leave Floyd with much. Not alot of people are sold on Brook even though he's the other title holder, and Khan is a much, much bigger draw.

I don't see any other fighter Floyd can face now other than Khan or Pacquiao.

No one knew who the f#ck Marcos was & those fights did around 850k-950k from most reports I saw. There are less big options to cross that 1 million threshold, but there are maybe a dozen guys that get to that 700k-950k mark imho. Hell I think with the right angle Floyd vs Jermain Taylor for a middleweight strap can be one of those that surpassed that 1 mill mark (if he didn't have this shooting case going on anyway). I think the September fight is the one that needs to be big though if that is to be his "last one". First off knowing boxers its unlikely to be his last one, but if it were to be his last he goes out big & if he's not done it makes him more valuable to re-sign for another fight or two.

Marcos Maidana had headlined the MGM against Khan, he also won alot of fans putting a beat down on Broner. To say he was a nobody is ridiculous, in terms of boxing stardom, you have level #1 of Mayweather, Pacquiao, Cotto & Canelo. Level 2 is Khan, Marquez, Klitchko, etc... Broner and Maidana are arguably level 2, level 3 at worst.

Bradley has a decent following but is with Bob, beyond that, Thurman.... Brook, these guys have no fans. If Mayweather picks someone other than Khan or Pacquiao it will be a name lesser than Guerrero, and there's just now way that will be the case with CBS bosses getting on Floyd's back.

The reality is CBS want the Pacquiao superfight, they might just be talked into running with Khan if it's not the Pacman.

ReggieDiggs wrote: If winning three belts in three divisions as a 23 year old isn't impressive to you idk what to tell you. That alone puts him into a small category of professional boxers. You can certainly diss Adrien for many reasons & you can argue the belts are watered down, but you can't argue with results in particular at such a young age or that he's still doing sh!t that people aren't doing even when its watered down.

Winning 3 belts in three divisions in 2014 is not impressive at all considering he NEVER beat the MAN to win none of those titles.

Broner being a 3 weight champ is just as unimpressive as Robert Guerrero being considered a "multi weight champ" It's not like the 80s.

Ricky_ wrote: Marcos Maidana had headlined the MGM against Khan, he also won alot of fans putting a beat down on Broner. To say he was a nobody is ridiculous, in terms of boxing stardom, you have level #1 of Mayweather, Pacquiao, Cotto & Canelo. Level 2 is Khan, Marquez, Klitchko, etc... Broner and Maidana are arguably level 2, level 3 at worst.

At the Floyd level of the game is what I mean. The majority of people that come out or get interested in boxing when Floyd is fighting don't go down to level 3 guys. Obviously Marcos isn't a nobody to boxing fans, but the casual fans got no f#cking clue who he is until All Access starts being televised.

IKSRTFO wrote: Winning 3 belts in three divisions in 2014 is not impressive at all considering he NEVER beat the MAN to win none of those titles.

Broner being a 3 weight champ is just as unimpressive as Robert Guerrero being considered a "multi weight champ" It's not like the 80s.

Than why aren't more guys doing it if its not a big deal? I agree its not the 80's & its not the task it once was. No debating that. That don't mean its suddenly not impressive at all though.

I think more guys capable of it aren't doing it because they aren't getting the opportunities to do so and most aren't jumping divisions like that. What Broner accomplished by the time he was 23 was fairly impressive in my view and I think people's dislike of his personality leads him to be generally underrated now, but I don't think a title being on the line in a bout makes a win much more impressive than it would be otherwise, so rather than judging a fighter by what he's won people should judge him by who he's fought and how he performed. When you do that with Broner and see that his title winning efforts included a victory over a mediocre fighter like Vicente Martin Rodriguez and close win over Paulie, someone I thought Broner seemed bigger than despite moving up a division, the titles at three weights seems less impressive than one might expect if they only knew that he was a three division champion.

ReggieDiggs wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote: Winning 3 belts in three divisions in 2014 is not impressive at all considering he NEVER beat the MAN to win none of those titles.

Broner being a 3 weight champ is just as unimpressive as Robert Guerrero being considered a "multi weight champ" It's not like the 80s.

Than why aren't more guys doing it if its not a big deal? I agree its not the 80's & its not the task it once was. No debating that. That don't mean its suddenly not impressive at all though.

Winning three titles in three different weight divisions IS impressive. Most go their whole career without accomplishing that.

What Guerrero did is impressive too. His stock fell sharply after Floyd wipped him, and what we now think of Berto. (We forget Berto was a welterweight champ for about 2 years) Guerrero is still a very good boxer, and apparently good enough to cause Khan to turn him down two or three times.

Right now I see Guerrero, Thurman, Porter, Maidana, Bradley, and Brook to be close to being on the same level. I see Alexander and Khan a level below, and I see Manny and Floyd a level above them all. Just my opinion.

crusader wrote:I think more guys capable of it aren't doing it because they aren't getting the opportunities to do so and most aren't jumping divisions so much. What Broner accomplished by the time he was 23 was fairly impressive in my view and I think people's dislike of his personality leads him to be generally underrated now, but I don't think a title being on the line in a bout makes a win much more impressive than it would be otherwise, so rather than judging a fighter by what he's won people should judge him by who he's fought and how he performed. When you do that with Broner and see that his title winning efforts included a victory over a mediocre fighter like Vicente Martin Rodriguez and close win over Paulie, someone I thought Broner seemed bigger than despite moving up a division, the titles in three weight divisions seems less impressive. W

I can agree with this. In particular the part where Adrien's persona plays into how his accomplishments are looked at. Obviously Adrien's road to 3 divisional belts vs Floyd's, Manny's or Oscar's or the numerous great fighters who've done it puts it into a more critical area, but still the task in & of itself is what is impressive despite the watered down title situation & Adrien's lesser obstacles to completing that task. Not many guys in this sport can do what Adrien has done like it or not, like him or not.