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To my knowledge, Al Haymon has the majority of today's top boxers under contract and he's managed to match them very softly on HBO and Showtime for big purses. How is this working? Why do the premium networks accept his terms and how is he able to generate enough money to overpay his fighters time after time? I'm well aware that Haymon is one of the most influential men in boxing but I don't understand how he got there and how he's able to rake in tons of money and overpay his fighters while putting up some of the shittiest fights in decades.

For starters there's no bonuses given to the fighters. He's taking out a small percent out of the fighters purse as well.

Idk that anyone is seeing the accounting to know exactly how all this is working out, but I think the biggest draw to Al is he's taking a smaller cut than most managers (from the info I've heard) & he's seen as a better manager than most (he has gotten high praise from Floyd). I think he's got like a 140 guys or something f#cking crazy like that under contract. I think thru sheer numbers it'd work out on his side of things.

The phone must be ringing 24/7/365...

(IF) 140 fighter's, their is only 365 days in a year. If Haymon was to work with each fighter individually and have them fight one time a year would equal to 2.6 days per fighter to negotiate a fight contract.

He's supsicious and I don't like his involvement. The next couple of years will be interesting with him. I just want the best fights being made and his involvment seems to help prevent that. IE look at how crap the Barclay Centre card was in August. Anyone who was involved in putting on Garcia v Salka is a disgrace to the sport.

MachoTime wrote:The phone must be ringing 24/7/365...

(IF) 140 fighter's, their is only 365 days in a year. If Haymon was to work with each fighter individually and have them fight one time a year would equal to 2.6 days per fighter to negotiate a fight contract.

Idk that being a manager is necessarily that involved. You have your assistant get a Danny Garcia or a whoever contract made up. She faxes it over to whoever. They agree to the deal or fax back a contract with amendments. Assistant takes results back to Al. Everything is good or you need to haggle a bit so earlier steps get rinsed & repeated. I bet Al is working a dozen contracts a day or more sometimes. Its not gonna be that time consuming of a thing.

Naandrew wrote:He's supsicious

How is he suspicious to you? Most of the time we don't even know who a fighters manager is & they never talk to media so Al being ninja with the media is normal behavior for a manager. I guess I can see the number of fighters suspicious, but its not like there aren't managers out there now with 25+ fighters themselves, Al just gots a bit more than 25 lol.

Al Haymon's business strategy is pretty obvious. He takes the smallest percentage of the purse than all of the other promoters. It's the old supply and demand equation from Micro-Econimics Class. Low Supply-Raise the price, High Supply-lower the price. His goal is to get as many fighters under his shield and make his money on volume. He's like the opposite of Jerry Mcguire.

Then he pays Sam Watson and his 17 twin sons to cater to these boxers every need. I saw a few interviews with the Watson Boys and as much as i hate seeing these fools in the ring kissing ass with these boxers, it seems that their work with these boxers is a huge asset for Haymon.

Do you think Haymon even gets dressed each day. I picture him like a Doctor Evil kind of figure, sitting at home in his PJ's all day stroking his kitten. I bet he doesn't even watch these fights on tv. I don't know but the one thing that i do know, Haymon is bad for boxing and 2015 could be a very bad year for the sport if he continues matching his boxers up so poorly.

ReggieDiggs wrote:

Naandrew wrote:He's supsicious

How is he suspicious to you? Most of the time we don't even know who a fighters manager is & they never talk to media so Al being ninja with the media is normal behavior for a manager. I guess I can see the number of fighters suspicious, but its not like there aren't managers out there now with 25+ fighters themselves, Al just gots a bit more than 25 lol.

The post below expalins my point perfectly

fergusg wrote:The only reason why people consider Al Haymon a suspicious character is because of his flat-refusal to talk to the media.

The reason for him acquiring such a massive stable of fighters is due to the fact he makes sure they're paid handsomely for their services, their careers are protected and that they are given title opportunities, which explains why he often receives glowing tributes from the men under his care.

For sure, their are some dodgy decision-making going on, such as Haymon turning down huge sums of money on his fighters' behalf due to his constant refusal to work with HBO, Top Rank, Main Events and Roc Nation, but we as fight fans are only ever given one side of the story (as Al doesn't talk to the media).

Therefore, I won't judge Haymon's character either until we know more about him as a person or until his NBC master plan has been unveiled.

I do not remember who posted this on Boxrec a while back
"Haymon will either be remembered as a genius or a crook"
For me the jury is still out

Whether for the good or the bad, the establishment will always resent someone who tries to change the game.
I'm not thinking that we, the fans, will necessarily be the ultimate beneficiaries from Al's soon to be revealed business model, but if he helps fighters earn the most money that they can from this brutal and unforgiving profession, when the almost complete opposite has been the case forever now, I can't totally hate him for it.
I've long wished fighters got money equal to their physical sacrifice level. Boxing is a sport almost like no other.
The most celebrated fighters are often the most damaged and sad in the end.
You know, since I'm the one loving it while they're destroying themselves, I like to see fighters get taken care of.
Now, I'm not claiming Al is the savior of fighters or anything like that-
But I'm curious to see what he does next.

uptconnect wrote:Whether for the good or the bad, the establishment will always resent someone who tries to change the game.
I'm not thinking that we, the fans, will necessarily be the ultimate beneficiaries from Al's soon to be revealed business model, but if he helps fighters earn the most money that they can from this brutal and unforgiving profession, when the almost complete opposite has been the case forever now, I can't totally hate him for it.
I've long wished fighters got money equal to their physical sacrifice level. Boxing is a sport almost like no other.
The most celebrated fighters are often the most damaged and sad in the end.
You know, since I'm the one loving it while they're destroying themselves, I like to see fighters get taken care of.
Now, I'm not claiming Al is the savior of fighters or anything like that-
But I'm curious to see what he does next.

Good post. Just listened to the Joe Rogan podcast with Russell Peters (comedian who's a HUGE boxing fan) & they were talking about Iran Barkley being homeless & offering to train guys at a gym for $5 a day. Boxing needs less sh!tty post-fighting career stories with boxers & if Al can get more boxers more money I can't see it as too much of a bad thing.

All promoters have to put on below standard cards and be able to sell them.
It enables them to build their coin base and front bigger fights in the future.
Yes sometimes the cards are terrible and sometimes there's a decent fight or two on them.
They have to babysit every young fighter coming up through the ranks and provide the basic necessities, it could take years and anything can happen.
Costs money it's not free.
As long as the promoter has good intentions I have no problem with it.

Let me edumicate you all ,, What does a good manager do , he looks after his boxers , How does he look after his boxers ,

He gets them the MOST MONEY , for THE least RISK ..

Thats has oppossed to a good promoter . because his job is to get the Hardest , toughest , BEST fights , for the public , and he will generally want to pay the least money .

Hence when you get a promoter managing , or a manager promoting you have a CONFLICT OF INTEREST ..

bUT MOST ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT hAYMON BEING A MANAGER , FOR ME HE'S DOING HIS JOB .

coneye wrote:Let me edumicate you all ,, What does a good manager do , he looks after his boxers , How does he look after his boxers ,

He gets them the MOST MONEY , for THE least RISK ..

Thats has oppossed to a good promoter . because his job is to get the Hardest , toughest , BEST fights , for the public , and he will generally want to pay the least money .

Hence when you get a promoter managing , or a manager promoting you have a CONFLICT OF INTEREST ..

bUT MOST ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT hAYMON BEING A MANAGER , FOR ME HE'S DOING HIS JOB .

Surely a manager also looks to keep the public interested in a fighter as far as they can? Something he has failed to do with Garcia, Quillin and Stevenson with fans quickly turning on all 3

He takes ALL sport out of boxing.

Boxing Prospect wrote:

coneye wrote:Let me edumicate you all ,, What does a good manager do , he looks after his boxers , How does he look after his boxers ,

He gets them the MOST MONEY , for THE least RISK ..

Thats has oppossed to a good promoter . because his job is to get the Hardest , toughest , BEST fights , for the public , and he will generally want to pay the least money .

Hence when you get a promoter managing , or a manager promoting you have a CONFLICT OF INTEREST ..

bUT MOST ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT hAYMON BEING A MANAGER , FOR ME HE'S DOING HIS JOB .

Surely a manager also looks to keep the public interested in a fighter as far as they can? Something he has failed to do with Garcia, Quillin and Stevenson with fans quickly turning on all 3

Nope ,, Thats the promoters job , kep the good fights coming , keep the public interested so they buy tickets , build a fighter up , ready to get him knocked off his perch for a ppv fight ect ect .

The managers job is to get his fighter the best possible payday , look after the fighter and enable him to have a long carreer make lots of money and not get hurt . Thats why they get a decent % ,

coneye wrote:

Boxing Prospect wrote:

coneye wrote:Let me edumicate you all ,, What does a good manager do , he looks after his boxers , How does he look after his boxers ,

He gets them the MOST MONEY , for THE least RISK ..

Thats has oppossed to a good promoter . because his job is to get the Hardest , toughest , BEST fights , for the public , and he will generally want to pay the least money .

Hence when you get a promoter managing , or a manager promoting you have a CONFLICT OF INTEREST ..

bUT MOST ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT hAYMON BEING A MANAGER , FOR ME HE'S DOING HIS JOB .

Surely a manager also looks to keep the public interested in a fighter as far as they can? Something he has failed to do with Garcia, Quillin and Stevenson with fans quickly turning on all 3

Nope ,, Thats the promoters job , kep the good fights coming , keep the public interested so they buy tickets , build a fighter up , ready to get him knocked off his perch for a ppv fight ect ect .

The managers job is to get his fighter the best possible payday , look after the fighter and enable him to have a long carreer make lots of money and not get hurt . Thats why they get a decent % ,

If no one wants to watch your fighterfighter he won't be getting paydays. If you piss off the promoters that can get your guys paydays then he won't be getting paydays...Haymon has run a ponzi scheme of sorts and it is crumbling.

Boxing Prospect wrote:Haymon has run a ponzi scheme of sorts and it is crumbling.

Whats crumbling exactly? Sounds like Al is moving in on taking over NBC Sports & perhaps some new sorta boxing layout that could change the status quo. The latter is obviously more iffy, but mainly I don't see any cracks in whatever Al is doing.

If that junkie Oscar De La Hoya kept his ass in rehab ...
If that junkie Oscar De La Hoya realized that it's only his ego that makes him think he should run GBP ...
If that junkie Oscar De La Hoya had half a brain ...

Al Haymon would be running boxing and we'd have ALL the fights we want to see right now.

I'm sick of the same old shit. I'm sure that DLH and Arum will keep boxing the way it is. Hayman will make changes. I don't care if the changes are better or worse. As long as there is some f'ing change in this sport, I'm all for it.

... and fornicate what anyone says. If we get Garcia/Peterson type fights on NBC, who's complaining?

fergusg wrote:The only reason why people consider Al Haymon a suspicious character is because of his flat-refusal to talk to the media.

The reason for him acquiring such a massive stable of fighters is due to the fact he makes sure they're paid handsomely for their services, their careers are protected and that they are given title opportunities, which explains why he often receives glowing tributes from the men under his care.

For sure, their are some dodgy decision-making going on, such as Haymon turning down huge sums of money on his fighters' behalf due to his constant refusal to work with HBO, Top Rank, Main Events and Roc Nation, but we as fight fans are only ever given one side of the story (as Al doesn't talk to the media).

Therefore, I won't judge Haymon's character either until we know more about him as a person or until his NBC master plan has been unveiled.

Thank you.

Everyone keeps talking shit about matchups, but i think 2014's matchmaking isn't what we'll be getting moving forward. I think haymow is trying to get his guys out of their old contracts with as little risk as possible. Like I said before, this would have already been in effect if it weren't for DLH shaking things up out of rehab.

I'm sick of the same old poo. I'm sure that DLH and Arum will keep boxing the way it is. Hayman will make changes. I don't care if the changes are better or worse. As long as there is some f'ing change in this sport, I'm all for it.

It seems nonsensical that you'd support changes for the worse. If the changes make boxing more interesting to you why would you consider that a change for the worse anyway?

You know what would be a change, only televising bouts between female clubfighters. You all for it?

.. and eff what anyone says. If we get Garcia/Peterson type fights on NBC, who's complaining?

Too bad that hasn't happened, although we did get Garcia-Salka and Peterson-Santana. Should we give Haymon credit for fights that haven't happened?

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:If that junkie Oscar De La Hoya kept his ass in rehab ...
If that junkie Oscar De La Hoya realized that it's only his ego that makes him think he should run GBP ...
If that junkie Oscar De La Hoya had half a brain ...

Al Haymon would be running boxing and we'd have ALL the fights we want to see right now.

Then all fights would be like Garcia vs Salka or Quillin vs Konechny.

ReggieDiggs wrote:

Boxing Prospect wrote:Haymon has run a ponzi scheme of sorts and it is crumbling.

Whats crumbling exactly? Sounds like Al is moving in on taking over NBC Sports & perhaps some new sorta boxing layout that could change the status quo. The latter is obviously more iffy, but mainly I don't see any cracks in whatever Al is doing.

Nobody watches NBC Sports man. Haymon has already burned bridges with HBO, and Showtime cant be happy with the sh1t theyre getting. This fcuker has the biggest stable in boxing and we get Barthelemy Saucedo and all the other dreck. Quillin passing on 3x career high and dropping belt cause Haymon burned bridges with Jay Z. Stevenson vs stiff just got 320k viewers, thats pathetic. And the Floyd deal has pretty much been a flop, with 3/4 fights money losers.

I don't know anything about him other than his name and who he manages...

Oh, and people seem to think of him as an excuse for fighters not taking the bets fights out there.

Boxing fans have changed since I first started watching the sport. These days fans seem to go for celebrity rather than match up. They prefer to watch a superstar against anybody than two evenly matched fighters...or perhaps what I mean is they don't seem to care that the stars don't take on the best available opposition.