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Rumour has it the chess pieces are moving where Cinco De Mayo weekend is king.


With Arums' recent comments on 'hispanics/Cinco De Mayo' and involvement with Cotto & now rekindled flame with Oscar, it looked as though the pieces were stacking against Floyd. With Cotto vs Canelo being scheduled on Cinco De Mayo, it would freeze Floyd out of a date he's claimed as his own; Cinco de Mayweather.

The rumour has it that Floyd's counter move has been to offer Cotto a rematch, paying him more than he'd make in a bout with Canelo.

We all know these things work in the background with laywers, TV bosses, and only have speculation to go on, but it looks like either Floyd, Canelo or Cotto, 1 of those 3 will be flushed out of the Cinco De Mayo weekend.


How do you see it playing out, and which would you rather see?

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I'm a bit surprised that both Floyd and Manny haven't been desperate to get at cotto simply because he's the linear middle weight champ yet he's really a welterweight that they both have already beat and would both be favourite to win again ,as much as I like cotton he's an easy way for both fighters to win the middle weight belt

The way I see this is it's a dick measuring contest.
Arum and DeLaHoya want to push Floyd out of the date.And show him he is not
a big time promoter.Floyd is saying mine is bigger than yours and by signing the next biggest
free agent to fight Floyd on this weekend will show how big it is.

The only way Floyd will fight on May 2nd is against Cotto.I think he does it and pisses
everyone off.

That being said I would rather see Cotto-Canelo

When Cotto first picked up the belt I thought Floyd would get this fight signed immediately.

The promotion for Cotto-Floyd would be nauseating, the hype about Cotto being 'reinvigorated' or the 'historical' aspects of Floyd fighting the middleweight belt.

Plus, we haven't actually seen Cotto-Canelo yet.

I'm kinda torn. I think Saul vs Miguel is the better fight, but I don't think it'd be nearly as competitive as many think it will be thus its not THAT much better & Floyd doing anything is always gonna be bigger. So Floyd vs Miguel II would be bigger than anyone else vs Miguel & there is a theory that whatever is bigger should be the thing happening. This being the case I think Miguel is a cat with $ signs in his eyes above & beyond the norm so he's gonna go with the best offer out there & assuming the Floyd offer is legit he's gonna take it.

From Miguel's side Floyd makes more sense all things considered. First off the obvious. It'll be more money. Second if he loses again, Saul will still be there, he's like 23 or w/e. Saul needs Miguel more than Miguel needs Saul. Thats just a fact. Third Floyd is getting older & Miguel gave him a solid challenge that didn't really get revealed in the scorecards & if somehow Miguel can get a W he sets himself up HUGE. He'd have a very sexy payday for a rubber match with Floyd. Saul would need to give Miguel a higher cut. Manny is drinking some protein shakes trying to get up to 155.

If Miguel fights Saul it'd be for less money. If he loses a Floyd rematch is out the window. If he wins he can parlay that into a rematch or a fight with Floyd or Manny, but with the age of Floyd & Manny its possible they could be out of the sport at any time.

Its really a no brainer to pick Floyd from Miguel's pov. In 20 years no one is gonna care if Miguel fought Saul in May 2015 or Nov 2015 or sometime in 2016 so there's no rush on fighting Saul, but Floyd supposedly only gots 2 fights left.

I wonder if Floyd would be willing to give up weight or if he'd insist on a catchweight if facing Cotto for the MW belt.

The pair of them are a couple of diva's. If Cotto were to face Canelo or a regular middleweight i wouldn't be surprised if he demanded some kind of 156 catchweight in his favour, but against Floyd would look to push the full 160 limit.

Ricky_ wrote:I wonder if Floyd would be willing to give up weight or if he'd insist on a catchweight if facing Cotto for the MW belt.

The pair of them are a couple of diva's. If Cotto were to face Canelo or a regular middleweight i wouldn't be surprised if he demanded some kind of 156 catchweight in his favour, but against Floyd would look to push the full 160 limit.

I'd lean towards the fight being at 155, maybe a 157 limit although there is some chance Floyd doesn't demand a limit, but I think thats the least likely option.

I hate the use of diva in boxing. I don't think its possible to be a diva in a sport where you get hit in your head this much.

Said this a while back ...

Showtime plays up Cotto gave Floyd a challenge (lost 9-3/10-2 ) and now he has FREDDIE ROACH!!! Middleweight title!!!

1.5M buys ...

Manny does 250K in his next bout ...

Arum says Manny/Floyd only at 50/50 ...

BAD INTENTIONS wrote: Arum says Manny/Floyd only at 50/50 ...

Floyd vs Manny had my hopes up for the first time in several years when Floyd called Manny out on that Showtime card & then Bob blew it up a day or two later when after saying no excuses after Manny's last W he said they can't fight on May 2.

Okay sure you wanna make that fight Mr Yesterday I was lying, today I'm telling the truth.

ReggieDiggs wrote:I'm kinda torn. I think Saul vs Miguel is the better fight, but I don't think it'd be nearly as competitive as many think it will be thus its not THAT much better & Floyd doing anything is always gonna be bigger. So Floyd vs Miguel II would be bigger than anyone else vs Miguel & there is a theory that whatever is bigger should be the thing happening. This being the case I think Miguel is a cat with $ signs in his eyes above & beyond the norm so he's gonna go with the best offer out there & assuming the Floyd offer is legit he's gonna take it.

From Miguel's side Floyd makes more sense all things considered. First off the obvious. It'll be more money. Second if he loses again, Saul will still be there, he's like 23 or w/e. Saul needs Miguel more than Miguel needs Saul. Thats just a fact. Third Floyd is getting older & Miguel gave him a solid challenge that didn't really get revealed in the scorecards & if somehow Miguel can get a W he sets himself up HUGE. He'd have a very sexy payday for a rubber match with Floyd. Saul would need to give Miguel a higher cut. Manny is drinking some protein shakes trying to get up to 155.

If Miguel fights Saul it'd be for less money. If he loses a Floyd rematch is out the window. If he wins he can parlay that into a rematch or a fight with Floyd or Manny, but with the age of Floyd & Manny its possible they could be out of the sport at any time.

Its really a no brainer to pick Floyd from Miguel's pov. In 20 years no one is gonna care if Miguel fought Saul in May 2015 or Nov 2015 or sometime in 2016 so there's no rush on fighting Saul, but Floyd supposedly only gots 2 fights left.

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ReggieDiggs wrote:I'm kinda torn. I think Saul vs Miguel is the better fight, but I don't think it'd be nearly as competitive as many think it will be thus its not THAT much better & Floyd doing anything is always gonna be bigger. So Floyd vs Miguel II would be bigger than anyone else vs Miguel & there is a theory that whatever is bigger should be the thing happening. This being the case I think Miguel is a cat with $ signs in his eyes above & beyond the norm so he's gonna go with the best offer out there & assuming the Floyd offer is legit he's gonna take it.

From Miguel's side Floyd makes more sense all things considered. First off the obvious. It'll be more money. Second if he loses again, Saul will still be there, he's like 23 or w/e. Saul needs Miguel more than Miguel needs Saul. Thats just a fact. Third Floyd is getting older & Miguel gave him a solid challenge that didn't really get revealed in the scorecards & if somehow Miguel can get a W he sets himself up HUGE. He'd have a very sexy payday for a rubber match with Floyd. Saul would need to give Miguel a higher cut. Manny is drinking some protein shakes trying to get up to 155.

If Miguel fights Saul it'd be for less money. If he loses a Floyd rematch is out the window. If he wins he can parlay that into a rematch or a fight with Floyd or Manny, but with the age of Floyd & Manny its possible they could be out of the sport at any time.

Its really a no brainer to pick Floyd from Miguel's pov. In 20 years no one is gonna care if Miguel fought Saul in May 2015 or Nov 2015 or sometime in 2016 so there's no rush on fighting Saul, but Floyd supposedly only gots 2 fights left.

I'll never get this whole 'Cotto will do better next time' sentiment re him and Floyd.

Floyd's gotten older, but so has Cotto. Cotto's the guy with mileage on the clock and imo we'll see him looking truly 'old' long before Floyd.

Floyd adjusts in rematches. He changed for the Maidana rematch (which was considerably less exciting and competitive as a result) and he'd change for the Cotto rematch. Cotto seemed unable to change much against Marg, he's just lucky the guy was a shell with a caving face by that stage (who still seemed to be coming on late when it was stopped).

Cotto had one fight in the whole of 2014 - against a peg leg guy who was prevented from wearing leg braces. One fight in 2013, a confidence builder. And one fight in 2012 after Floyd - a lopsided loss to a guy who then lost his next two fights.

I'm curious what your pick would be for Cotto vs Alvarez, since you suggest it's probably not that competitive?

ponch wrote:

ReggieDiggs wrote:I'm kinda torn. I think Saul vs Miguel is the better fight, but I don't think it'd be nearly as competitive as many think it will be thus its not THAT much better & Floyd doing anything is always gonna be bigger. So Floyd vs Miguel II would be bigger than anyone else vs Miguel & there is a theory that whatever is bigger should be the thing happening. This being the case I think Miguel is a cat with $ signs in his eyes above & beyond the norm so he's gonna go with the best offer out there & assuming the Floyd offer is legit he's gonna take it.

From Miguel's side Floyd makes more sense all things considered. First off the obvious. It'll be more money. Second if he loses again, Saul will still be there, he's like 23 or w/e. Saul needs Miguel more than Miguel needs Saul. Thats just a fact. Third Floyd is getting older & Miguel gave him a solid challenge that didn't really get revealed in the scorecards & if somehow Miguel can get a W he sets himself up HUGE. He'd have a very sexy payday for a rubber match with Floyd. Saul would need to give Miguel a higher cut. Manny is drinking some protein shakes trying to get up to 155.

If Miguel fights Saul it'd be for less money. If he loses a Floyd rematch is out the window. If he wins he can parlay that into a rematch or a fight with Floyd or Manny, but with the age of Floyd & Manny its possible they could be out of the sport at any time.

Its really a no brainer to pick Floyd from Miguel's pov. In 20 years no one is gonna care if Miguel fought Saul in May 2015 or Nov 2015 or sometime in 2016 so there's no rush on fighting Saul, but Floyd supposedly only gots 2 fights left.

I'll never get this whole 'Cotto will do better next time' sentiment re him and Floyd.

Floyd's gotten older, but so has Cotto. Cotto's the guy with mileage on the clock and imo we'll see him looking truly 'old' long before Floyd.

Floyd adjusts in rematches. He changed for the Maidana rematch (which was considerably less exciting and competitive as a result) and he'd change for the Cotto rematch. Cotto seemed unable to change much against Marg, he's just lucky the guy was a shell with a caving face by that stage (who still seemed to be coming on late when it was stopped).

Cotto had one fight in the whole of 2014 - against a peg leg guy who was prevented from wearing leg braces. One fight in 2013, a confidence builder. And one fight in 2012 after Floyd - a lopsided loss.

I'm curious what your pick would be for Cotto vs Alvarez, since you suggest it's probably not that competitive?

I pick Cotto to stop Canelo and narrow points over Floyd.

Ricky_ wrote:

ponch wrote:

ReggieDiggs wrote:I'm kinda torn. I think Saul vs Miguel is the better fight, but I don't think it'd be nearly as competitive as many think it will be thus its not THAT much better & Floyd doing anything is always gonna be bigger. So Floyd vs Miguel II would be bigger than anyone else vs Miguel & there is a theory that whatever is bigger should be the thing happening. This being the case I think Miguel is a cat with $ signs in his eyes above & beyond the norm so he's gonna go with the best offer out there & assuming the Floyd offer is legit he's gonna take it.

From Miguel's side Floyd makes more sense all things considered. First off the obvious. It'll be more money. Second if he loses again, Saul will still be there, he's like 23 or w/e. Saul needs Miguel more than Miguel needs Saul. Thats just a fact. Third Floyd is getting older & Miguel gave him a solid challenge that didn't really get revealed in the scorecards & if somehow Miguel can get a W he sets himself up HUGE. He'd have a very sexy payday for a rubber match with Floyd. Saul would need to give Miguel a higher cut. Manny is drinking some protein shakes trying to get up to 155.

If Miguel fights Saul it'd be for less money. If he loses a Floyd rematch is out the window. If he wins he can parlay that into a rematch or a fight with Floyd or Manny, but with the age of Floyd & Manny its possible they could be out of the sport at any time.

Its really a no brainer to pick Floyd from Miguel's pov. In 20 years no one is gonna care if Miguel fought Saul in May 2015 or Nov 2015 or sometime in 2016 so there's no rush on fighting Saul, but Floyd supposedly only gots 2 fights left.

I'll never get this whole 'Cotto will do better next time' sentiment re him and Floyd.

Floyd's gotten older, but so has Cotto. Cotto's the guy with mileage on the clock and imo we'll see him looking truly 'old' long before Floyd.

Floyd adjusts in rematches. He changed for the Maidana rematch (which was considerably less exciting and competitive as a result) and he'd change for the Cotto rematch. Cotto seemed unable to change much against Marg, he's just lucky the guy was a shell with a caving face by that stage (who still seemed to be coming on late when it was stopped).

Cotto had one fight in the whole of 2014 - against a peg leg guy who was prevented from wearing leg braces. One fight in 2013, a confidence builder. And one fight in 2012 after Floyd - a lopsided loss.

I'm curious what your pick would be for Cotto vs Alvarez, since you suggest it's probably not that competitive?

I pick Cotto to stop Canelo and narrow points over Floyd.

Fair enough, I've given my logic behind it. I see Cotto Alvarez as a pick 'em but the only way I see it being uncompetitive is if we find out that Cotto's completely done and Alvarez dominates, which I think is very unlikey.

My guess is it would be a pretty even odds fight which is a great reason to make it (from a fans point of view).

I think Cotto is a different class of offensive fighter to anything Alvarez has seen. A top p4p boxer-puncher. I think Canelo brings the eat but Cotto is too cute, landing his left hooks and gets the finish when he troubles Canelo.

As for Floyd, i had him a very narrow winner the first time a round, Cotto was really taking it to Floyd when Floyd found himself on the ropes, Cotto just flow offensively, scoring alot to the body. Given how Mayweather regressed vs Maidana, i think we see a few more of those rounds, with Cotto being agressive and Floyd struggling to tie up on the ropes, 7-5 Cotto & split Decision win imo.


If Cotto genuinely thinks he can beat Mayweather (which i'm sure he does as he thinks he won the first one) it would make sense to fight Floyd first, then Alvarez.

Ricky_ wrote:I think Cotto is a different class of offensive fighter to anything Alvarez has seen. A top p4p boxer-puncher. I think Canelo brings the eat but Cotto is too cute, landing his left hooks and gets the finish when he troubles Canelo.

As for Floyd, i had him a very narrow winner the first time a round, Cotto was really taking it to Floyd when Floyd found himself on the ropes, Cotto just flow offensively, scoring alot to the body. Given how Mayweather regressed vs Maidana, i think we see a few more of those rounds, with Cotto being agressive and Floyd struggling to tie up on the ropes, 7-5 Cotto & split Decision win imo.


If Cotto genuinely thinks he can beat Mayweather (which i'm sure he does as he thinks he won the first one) it would make sense to fight Floyd first, then Alvarez.

A prime 147 Cotto was on a different level to Alverez, I just don't see that guy anymore. One too many whoopings.

ponch wrote: I'll never get this whole 'Cotto will do better next time' sentiment re him and Floyd.

Floyd's gotten older, but so has Cotto. Cotto's the guy with mileage on the clock and imo we'll see him looking truly 'old' long before Floyd.

Floyd adjusts in rematches. He changed for the Maidana rematch (which was considerably less exciting and competitive as a result) and he'd change for the Cotto rematch. Cotto seemed unable to change much against Marg, he's just lucky the guy was a shell with a caving face by that stage (who still seemed to be coming on late when it was stopped).

Cotto had one fight in the whole of 2014 - against a peg leg guy who was prevented from wearing leg braces. One fight in 2013, a confidence builder. And one fight in 2012 after Floyd - a lopsided loss to a guy who then lost his next two fights.

I'm curious what your pick would be for Cotto vs Alvarez, since you suggest it's probably not that competitive?

I'm not saying if Miguel would do better or not. I'm saying the upside is better & downside isn't as low whatever happens vs Floyd. I'm sure from Miguel's pov he thinks he'd do better though. I mean he's a fighter.

My picks would involve Miguel losing to Floyd or Saul.

ReggieDiggs wrote:

ponch wrote: I'll never get this whole 'Cotto will do better next time' sentiment re him and Floyd.

Floyd's gotten older, but so has Cotto. Cotto's the guy with mileage on the clock and imo we'll see him looking truly 'old' long before Floyd.

Floyd adjusts in rematches. He changed for the Maidana rematch (which was considerably less exciting and competitive as a result) and he'd change for the Cotto rematch. Cotto seemed unable to change much against Marg, he's just lucky the guy was a shell with a caving face by that stage (who still seemed to be coming on late when it was stopped).

Cotto had one fight in the whole of 2014 - against a peg leg guy who was prevented from wearing leg braces. One fight in 2013, a confidence builder. And one fight in 2012 after Floyd - a lopsided loss to a guy who then lost his next two fights.

I'm curious what your pick would be for Cotto vs Alvarez, since you suggest it's probably not that competitive?

I'm not saying if Miguel would do better or not. I'm saying the upside is better & downside isn't as low whatever happens vs Floyd. I'm sure from Miguel's pov he thinks he'd do better though. I mean he's a fighter.

My picks would involve Miguel losing to Floyd or Saul.

Cool, don't disagree at all really. Losing to Floyd is no shame and he'd still have leverage. Losing to Alvarez, especially if it isn't at least very competitive, would do him a bit more damage - assuming he'd still be looking for more fights. I'd certainly take the Floyd fight if it was there. I just hope it isn't!

Personally, I would rather see Canelo vs Cotto, the battle of the over-rated guys. Lara and Floyd beat Canelo, and Floyd, Pac and Trout beat Cotto. Meaningless fight, but big for those fans that still think they are big.

Floyd vs Cotto 2 would totally fornicate Arum as far as money goes, so not surprised if it happens. It all comes down to if Arum wants Floyd vs Pac, which history shows us he doesn't want.

Badhusker wrote:Personally, I would rather see Canelo vs Cotto, the battle of the over-rated guys. Lara and Floyd beat Canelo, and Floyd, Pac and Trout beat Cotto. Meaningless fight, but big for those fans that still think they are big.

Floyd vs Cotto 2 would totally eff Arum as far as money goes, so not surprised if it happens. It all comes down to if Arum wants Floyd vs Pac, which history shows us he doesn't want.

I understand you may be claiming Canelo as overrated but are you honestly stating that Cotto is overrated? If so, how??

Badhusker wrote: It all comes down to if Arum wants Floyd vs Pac, which history shows us he doesn't want.

LOL. No he doesn't.

There isn't a better example than the last couple months.

Bob after Manny's W over Algeiri: No Excuses
Floyd on Showtime in mid Dec: May 2 Me vs Manny
Bob a couple days later: May 2 is disrespectful

KBB wrote:

Badhusker wrote:Personally, I would rather see Canelo vs Cotto, the battle of the over-rated guys. Lara and Floyd beat Canelo, and Floyd, Pac and Trout beat Cotto. Meaningless fight, but big for those fans that still think they are big.

Floyd vs Cotto 2 would totally eff Arum as far as money goes, so not surprised if it happens. It all comes down to if Arum wants Floyd vs Pac, which history shows us he doesn't want.

I understand you may be claiming Canelo as overrated but are you honestly stating that Cotto is overrated? If so, how??

Maybe over-rated is a bit too strong of a term. Cotto was dominated by Trout, but maybe that was just a bad style match-up. Cotto dominating Sergio makes him look better than he actually is due to Sergio being 40yrs old and nearly shot.

I see Canelo vs Cotto as the more interesting match-up, since Floyd already beat Cotto. Floyd made that fight harder than it needed to be by the way he fought, kind of like Maidana I. I think Cotto's best days are behind him, and Canelo's ahead of him, but to me it is a 50-50 fight.

Would rather see Canelo take on Cotto. A much more entertaining fight. Believe the Mexican would convincingly handle Cotto, who has been matched well in his past 2 fights---wins over fighters (Rodriguez, Martinez) on the decline. Canelo, on the other hand, is young and ascending.

Cotto's a very small middleweight while the Mexican looks like he'll develop into a solid 160 pounder.
With Cotto's naturally aggressive style (although he's boxing more under Roach), I figure he gets chewed up by Alvarez and stopped within 10.
The Mexico vs. Puerto Rico rivalry would certainly inspire Cotto to step up his attack, take foolish chances with the stronger Canelo, and get beaten up like he did the first time against Margarito.

Figure the oddsmakers to install Canelo as about a 9-5 favorite.
The actual fight would be far more one-sided.

No one cares about Cotto/Floyd 2

Canelo v cotto is the fight to make and it would smash any Floyd not involving Manny and would show Floyd its not all about him like his yes men have made him believe.

Boxing is bigger than any fighter and always will be that's what Floyd doesn't realize.

kidbazooka1 wrote:No one cares about Cotto/Floyd 2

Canelo v cotto is the fight to make and it would smash any Floyd not involving Manny and would show Floyd its not all about him like his yes men have made him believe.

Boxing is bigger than any fighter and always will be that's what Floyd doesn't realize.

Floyd shadow boxing would out draw Canelo - Cotto.
I don't see Canelo- Cotto doing more than 500,000 buys