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Who Would Have Gone The Furthest ?
Posted: 30 Dec 2014, 18:46
by Seamus
Had they not been tragically cut down in there prime ?
Stanley Ketchel
Les Darcy
Salvador Sanchez
Re: Who Would Have Gone The Furthest ?
Posted: 30 Dec 2014, 21:56
by Michael bennt
Seamus wrote:Had they not been tragically cut down in there prime ?
Stanley Ketchel
Les Darcy
Salvador Sanchez
Sanchez would of went through the weights winning more world titles and he not julio cesar chavez would now be seen as Mexicans greatest fighter
Re: Who Would Have Gone The Furthest ?
Posted: 31 Dec 2014, 01:52
by Dancin' Dan
Tough question..... Sanchez was a beast but had a truly close fight with a young Azumah Nelson. Ketchel still only 24! Had a lot of years ahead. But Les Darcy may have been the best and was only 21 I believe. All great fighters
Re: Who Would Have Gone The Furthest ?
Posted: 31 Dec 2014, 05:18
by Ezzard
Looking back Ketchel seems to have done plenty for his age.
All 3 were obviously greats. Hard to say but great question.
Re: Who Would Have Gone The Furthest ?
Posted: 31 Dec 2014, 11:16
by Nile4000
Seamus wrote:Had they not been tragically cut down in there prime ?
Stanley Ketchel
Les Darcy
Salvador Sanchez
Tough call.I could see Sanchez possibly winning a title at 130, but after that, it would be real hard for him to deal with the likes of Camacho, Davis jr, Kenty, Mancini, and Rosario.In the mix of these three, I would probably favor him by the slightest of margins.
Re: Who Would Have Gone The Furthest ?
Posted: 31 Dec 2014, 20:15
by HomicideHenry
The issue with Ketchell, in my view anyways, is that had he lived on and fought on... he could have been unbeaten for a decade... cus when you look at the class of fighters following him, needless to say, none of them could have really tested him or stood up to his power.
Re: Who Would Have Gone The Furthest ?
Posted: 31 Dec 2014, 20:29
by tiny_acres
HomicideHenry wrote:The issue with Ketchell, in my view anyways, is that had he lived on and fought on... he could have been unbeaten for a decade... cus when you look at the class of fighters following him, needless to say, none of them could have really tested him or stood up to his power.
Yeah and you know this by all the great video footage we have of him
HH put down the bottle it is too early to be this drunk
Re: Who Would Have Gone The Furthest ?
Posted: 01 Jan 2015, 16:48
by Seamus
One of the first things we should take into consideration was next possible bouts. Sanchez very likely would have gone after one of the JLW belts in the next year.
Re: Who Would Have Gone The Furthest ?
Posted: 01 Jan 2015, 17:09
by littlepug
Can't believe ketchell was only 24 when he died but seems the crazy life he led he was always destined for a short life, not in the same league but would've been interesting to watch Edwin Valero career unfold
Re: Who Would Have Gone The Furthest ?
Posted: 01 Jan 2015, 18:56
by p4p1
As an Aussie it is a real shame about Darcy, He would of probably been undisputedly our greatest ever fighter.
Re: Who Would Have Gone The Furthest ?
Posted: 03 Jan 2015, 11:20
by Seamus
Darcy would have had some great challenges ahead had he lived, Mike Gibbons, Jack Dillon, Harry Greb, etc. As for Ketchel, a rematch with Langford still hadn't been arranged at the time of his death, so his path may have looked less challenging.
Re: Who Would Have Gone The Furthest ?
Posted: 04 Jan 2015, 20:35
by Ambling Alp II
Would have been interesting had he fought some of those guys.
Never really thought about this before, but if neither Darcy or Ketchel died young, there is a good chance that they could have fought each other.
Re: Who Would Have Gone The Furthest ?
Posted: 05 Jan 2015, 14:19
by cfang
Wasn't ketchell a big drinker? Also, he'd been in so many wars in such a short time, I'd find it very hard to see him dominating for much longer no matter how tough he was.
Darcy was clearly great but he never fought outside Austrialia and has a few good wins but untested in regards to facing off against another real great.
So I'm going for sanchez here. He beat Nelson which looking at what nelson did in the future was an incredible win.
Re: Who Would Have Gone The Furthest ?
Posted: 06 Jan 2015, 10:57
by Ezzard
How about a 30 year old Ketchel in with a 21 year old Kid Norfolk?
Re: Who Would Have Gone The Furthest ?
Posted: 06 Jan 2015, 12:16
by Seamus
For Sanchez, the next bouts could have been, mandatory title defense vs Mario Miranda. Possible unification bout with Eusebio Pedroza, or maybe go after WBA or WBC JLW titles, Rafael Limon and Samuel Serrano. I'd definitely take Sanchez in any of those fights.
Re: Who Would Have Gone The Furthest ?
Posted: 06 Jan 2015, 13:29
by Ezzard
Seamus, there was a rumour that he was struggling to make 126. That he would have been forced to move up.
My guess is that we would have seen fights at 130 and above with Pedroza, Nelson II, Rosario, Chavez, Lockridge and Arguello
Re: Who Would Have Gone The Furthest ?
Posted: 07 Jan 2015, 07:28
by orbtastic
He was quoted as saying he felt the WBC the most prestigious and was looking to fight Arguello up at 135.
Re: Who Would Have Gone The Furthest ?
Posted: 07 Jan 2015, 09:32
by Seamus
I have doubts about that supposed Sanchez vs Arguello bout being in the works, I think he'd have moved up slower than that.
Ketchel's next bout was supposed to be against Australian Bill Lang, which was probably more of a tune up.
Re: Who Would Have Gone The Furthest ?
Posted: 10 Jan 2015, 08:23
by The_Sugarman
Salvador Sanchez.
What a talent!
Re: Who Would Have Gone The Furthest ?
Posted: 10 Jan 2015, 14:45
by Nile4000
The_Sugarman wrote:Salvador Sanchez.
What a talent!
Despite that, still may have saw failure once he moved up.
Re: Who Would Have Gone The Furthest ?
Posted: 10 Jan 2015, 16:05
by The_Sugarman
Nile4000 wrote:The_Sugarman wrote:Salvador Sanchez.
What a talent!
Despite that, still may have saw failure once he moved up.
Or not, we will never know.
Re: Who Would Have Gone The Furthest ?
Posted: 11 Jan 2015, 12:11
by palooka
Defeat and failure are inevitable to a boxer.