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hurricanemitch14 wrote:i hope not.........this fight sucks

keirw wrote:http://www.BS.com/arum-chavez- ... rue--85805
Apparently not

The_Sugarman wrote:I think it's a good fight. Would rather see Froch v Chavez Jr than Froch v DeGale.

keirw wrote:I can completely understand why Froch wants to fight Chavez, he is the only supermiddle who has enough of a casual following in the US to make his dream of a big Vegas Swansong possible, also the fan friendly styles of both men should gel well for a good fight.
It's just a shame politics might just cock it all up

ReggieDiggs wrote:I hope so. Seems like a war for as long as it goes. There isn't a lot of Carl fights I give a f#ck at this point as its him & Andre at the top of 168 & Andre is gonna beat Carl 93 times out of 100 imho. I just don't think Carl has a style that does well vs Andre's style.

meahdem wrote:i think it's a good fight,, cant see why some are slagging it off whats not to like two come forward aggressive fighters and both can punch and both have good chins, rather see this than him fight ward or degale especially since sky's gonna make us fork out 17 brick for it.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:They've been talking about this fight forever, but there are 2 problems.

1. Jr seems to be done with Arum. (SMART MOVE)
2. There isn't enough money/interest in this fight in the US. This fight would do good numbers in the UK, but no one in US outside of boxing fans give a eff about Carl. So he'll have to settle for a big stage, but probably less money than he'd make fighting DeGale at home.

Horse wrote:

ReggieDiggs wrote:I hope so. Seems like a war for as long as it goes. There isn't a lot of Carl fights I give a f#ck at this point as its him & Andre at the top of 168 & Andre is gonna beat Carl 93 times out of 100 imho. I just don't think Carl has a style that does well vs Andre's style.

Andre Dirrell is not at the top of 168.

He's done nothing of world level worth since beating Abraham almost 5 years ago.

fergusg wrote:

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:Without Arum he's Omar Chavez, a sideshow. He was offered great money for GGG, the likes of which he wont see soon. If that's too risky, finish up his contract with a patsy for a low purse, instead of going to court and making nothing and paying lawyer fees and losing

The financials were agreed but Top Rank demanded that Chavez Jr. sign a three-fight contract extension as part of the deal to secure the GGG fight, but the Mexican wanted to become a free agent, rather than being contractually-tied to Bob Arum.

Apparently, there was an alternative offer for Chavez Jr. to accept, which did not contain a contract extension clause, but the financial incentive wasn’t there as Bob Arum only offered him a fraction of the purse.

Therefore, Chavez Jr. had three choices:
1. Fight Golovkin for pennies (even though he’s the bigger draw) and be freed of his Top Rank contract
2. Fight Golovkin and receive a handsome payday, but be forced to sign a three fight contract extension with Top Rank (and continue paying Bob Arum 27% commission)
3. Refuse to fight Golovkin altogether and file a lawsuit against Top Rank in an effort to become a free agent… and be in a better position to negotiate bigger purses in the future

I believe that Chavez Jr. chose the third option.

expe wrote:

meahdem wrote:i think it's a good fight,, cant see why some are slagging it off whats not to like two come forward aggressive fighters and both can punch and both have good chins, rather see this than him fight ward or degale especially since sky's gonna make us fork out 17 brick for it.

They'll try to make us pay £17, doesn't mean we have to pay it.

fergusg wrote:

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:Without Arum he's Omar Chavez, a sideshow. He was offered great money for GGG, the likes of which he wont see soon. If that's too risky, finish up his contract with a patsy for a low purse, instead of going to court and making nothing and paying lawyer fees and losing

The financials were agreed but Top Rank demanded that Chavez Jr. sign a three-fight contract extension as part of the deal to secure the GGG fight, but the Mexican wanted to become a free agent, rather than being contractually-tied to Bob Arum.

Apparently, there was an alternative offer for Chavez Jr. to accept, which did not contain a contract extension clause, but the financial incentive wasn’t there as Bob Arum only offered him a fraction of the purse.

Therefore, Chavez Jr. had three choices:
1. Fight Golovkin for pennies (even though he’s the bigger draw) and be freed of his Top Rank contract
2. Fight Golovkin and receive a handsome payday, but be forced to sign a three fight contract extension with Top Rank (and continue paying Bob Arum 27% commission)
3. Refuse to fight Golovkin altogether and file a lawsuit against Top Rank in an effort to become a free agent… and be in a better position to negotiate bigger purses in the future

I believe that Chavez Jr. chose the third option.

Bob did offer him a $7 million guarantee with a one-fight extension, and $10 million if he won, $5 million if he lost. Again, we accepted the fight, but not the extensions."

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:They've been talking about this fight forever, but there are 2 problems.

1. Jr seems to be done with Arum. (SMART MOVE)
2. There isn't enough money/interest in this fight in the US. This fight would do good numbers in the UK, but no one in US outside of boxing fans give a eff about Carl. So he'll have to settle for a big stage, but probably less money than he'd make fighting DeGale at home.

Why smart move? Without Arum he's Omar Chavez, a sideshow. If there's one boxer that shouldn't have any promoter complaints it's this weight cheating no talent bum. He was offered great money for GGG, the likes of which he wont see soon. If that's too risky, finish up his contract with a patsy for a low purse, instead of going to court and making nothing and paying lawyer fees and losing

fergusg wrote: "To make that fight everyone must come to an agreement, but [Top Rank] wanted a contract extension. I wanted to fight him, but I have to think about my future. In fact the bout with Golovkin has not fallen off, I can still fight him. The fight Golovkin could happen later this year or in early 2015. It's not that I didn't want to face him, there were contract issue." Chavez Jr. said.
http://www.BS.com/chavez-jr-ge ... pen--81939

Billy Keane (Chavez Jr’s manager) told Yahoo! Sports:

"Julio just wants to be treated fairly and like I've always told them, we will sit down immediately after the fight and see if we can come to a deal," Keane said. "But what he will not do is negotiate with a gun to his head under duress. You know what? When you offer a guy $7 million and then you call back five minutes later, screaming, and say the offer is now $2 million, that's a gun to his head."

“Bob then came back and offered us the standalone fight with no extensions for a $2 million guarantee. That was $5 million less from his last offer, which is more than a 70 percent decrease from the original guaranteed purse.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxing/ch ... 02501.html

"According to Chavez, Top Rank will only finalize the fight if he agrees to a three fight extension of their promotional agreement. The Mexican star's contract with Top Rank is running out and he wants to become a promotional free agent."

http://www.BS.com/chavez-ill-o ... ion--77251

Even if you doubt the three fight extension claim, Dan Rafael (ESPN) claims that there was at least a two fight clause:

"Keane said Top Rank was asking for a two-fight extension beyond the fight with Golovkin (29-0, 26 KOs), which Chavez did not want to sign."

http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/tag/ ... -chavez-jr

"Chavez also filed a counterclaim, asking the court to formally declare the Top Rank contract has expired."

http://www.boxingtalk.com/pag/article.php?aid=27008

"he is teaming up with a guy (Bob Arum) who takes 27% of his fighters purses."

http://www.spam.com/news/article17226.html

Note: Replace "spam" in the url with "fight hype" without spaces.

fergusg wrote:

ikorolev wrote:Except he is nowhere near Oscar or Floyd, so money he has been earning is more than he deserves.

It really doesn’t matter what Chavez Jr’s detractors believe, the numbers don’t lie and the facts are irrefutable…

The Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. vs. Bryan Vera first fight attracted the second highest HBO figures of 2013 (at 1.4m views), with the rematch staged earlier this year peaking at 1.53m views and averaged 1.39m views, which was most viewed fight of 2014 (according to Ring Magazine & Ken Hershman [HBO President]).

Whilst I’m not for one second suggesting that Chavez Jr. has the star power of fighters like Mayweather Jr. or De La Hoya, he almost certainly deserves to be one of the biggest earners in the sport, based on the viewing figures alone.

TV networks don’t pay the bills based on hard-core fans giving them their thumbs-up, their money is earned from subscription fees and advertising revenue, which means that viewing figures are of paramount importance to them!