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Good start to the discussion. I would briefly add, someone's done something very right for that Warrington kid in Leeds and i think he will similarly end up getting shots that are fortunate to say the least in the context of his talent and record, as opposed to drawing power/backing.

Ricky Hatton I Thought Was Promoted Very Well By allegedly.Packed Nights At The M.E.N.Defending W.B.U.Then Delivering Kostya At Right Time With A Performance To Match.allegedly Most Of The Time Would Get Fighter The 12th Man Home Advantage.

For me, the likes of Bruno and Hatton benefitted from textbook perfect matchmaking and promoting.

The likes of Benn, Eubank and Collins were promoted so well that most of us actually believe that by fighting each other they were by far the best in the world.

Another one that stands out for me is Clinton Woods.

It might sound daft considering he won every level of title available, but he sure got a lot of opportunities. I think that he won a world title at the third or fourth attempt with a home advantage (I also think that it was shown terrestrial tv ?).

Jim Watt

Counter-puncher wrote:Good start to the discussion. I would briefly add, someone's done something very right for that Warrington kid in Leeds and i think he will similarly end up getting shots that are fortunate to say the least in the context of his talent and record, as opposed to drawing power/backing.

My pal beat him twice as an amateur, stopping him once, Eddie will milk it for all its worth, he will sell out arenas soon.

bripez wrote:For me, the likes of Bruno and Hatton benefitted from textbook perfect matchmaking and promoting.

The likes of Benn, Eubank and Collins were promoted so well that most of us actually believe that by fighting each other they were by far the best in the world.

Another one that stands out for me is Clinton Woods.

It might sound daft considering he won every level of title available, but he sure got a lot of opportunities. I think that he won a world title at the third or fourth attempt with a home advantage (I also think that it was shown terrestrial tv ?).

Clinton was one of the few fighters I can think of who was shown a bit of loyalty by his promotor wasn't he?

Bruno.

mickey1975 wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:Good start to the discussion. I would briefly add, someone's done something very right for that Warrington kid in Leeds and i think he will similarly end up getting shots that are fortunate to say the least in the context of his talent and record, as opposed to drawing power/backing.

My pal beat him twice as an amateur, stopping him once, Eddie will milk it for all its worth, he will sell out arenas soon.

aye one of the lads in my gym beat him as an am aswell

I think Warrington will prosper having 12 rounds instead of 3; it must be a dream for a promoter to have a boxer closely allied with a decent sized football team.

Duke McKenzie was well managed and well promoted, Named was well promoted, Paul Ingle was well promoted.

Paul Smith altho that is more about a relationship between 2 promotional companies.

Some Eastwood fighters - McGuigan or Close, Dave McAuley especially.

Dereck Chisora. Plenty of decent paydays for a pretty limited heavy.

Joe Calzaghe and Naseem Hamed - both long reigning world champions, beating some decent names but avoiding the all time greats that were around at the same time.

Both in the hall of fame, but might have been very different had they fought the very best in or around their division early in their reigns.

Bruno - 4 world title fights and the names he fought between Lewis and McCall were like a whose who of boxing.

A-Force promotions and Big Audley (and credit to various co-promotors over the years). Always able to talk up a fight and pull in large numbers of viewers despite some poor performances. When you consider the 'revenue earned' to 'boxing success' ratio he's done better than everyone else who has been mentioned, and that's down to two things. The fact he's a heavyweight, and the way he's been (self)promoted.

Going back a few years Billy Walker has to stand out as promoted brilliantly, The Golden Boy never won a title, but was a crowd pleasing blond haired heavyweight puncher, he was one of the most popular heavies from these shores. Even the Queen said she enjoyed watching his fights.
Promoted by his brother George, they invested their winnings and George lived the playboy lifestyle, he certainly didn't struggle to get the ladies

Essentially any British fighter who has won a world titl since around 1970 -I think you could argue that Mcguigan, Hodkinson, Ingle, Hardy, Neary, Dunne, Mcmillan, etc where managed and promoted well in addition to the names above.

So all those guys and there are more that probably back in the day might have won a Euro or British title. Let us not however forget the role that the WBO, IBF and to a lkesser extent the WBU played in this as they all allowed a route previously not available to managers or fighters.

So you could argue that in todays market much easier to get a fighter to "world" level and keep them there.

Noxy wrote:Some Eastwood fighters - McGuigan or Close, Dave McAuley especially.

Dave Macauley? Not sure he made much miney. He was hardly a big name either.

I think the best promoted Brit by far and away was Bruno. No one else comes close.

stujones wrote:Joe Calzaghe and Naseem Hamed - both long reigning world champions, beating some decent names but avoiding the all time greats that were around at the same time.

Both in the hall of fame, but might have been very different had they fought the very best in or around their division early in their reigns.

Bruno - 4 world title fights and the names he fought between Lewis and McCall were like a whose who of boxing.

You could argue that Calzaghe wasn't brilliantly promoted, as it wasn't until his mid-30s that he got to really prove himself. Obviously saying he avoided all-time greats is ridiculous, as Hopkins backed out of a fight with him at super-middle, while Jones I believe never offered him a fight until they finally met.

Black Sam Bellamy wrote:Dereck Chisora. Plenty of decent paydays for a pretty limited heavy.

At his best, against Helenius and Klitschko, Chisora was easily a top 10 HW. He's been promoted well, though, no doubt.

Hatton without a doubt! and Bruno.

Ricky Burns. Very well despite the later fallouts.

Frank Bruno getting 4 world title shots was a masterstroke in promoting and filling the big arena for Hatton's WBU fights was also brilliant.

Tony Oakey - I would suggest he earnt very very well during the 'alphabet bauble years'. Limited fighter who earnt well due to being promoted well.

A big following and a big name promoter can reel in the pounds.

gobbles wrote:

stujones wrote:Joe Calzaghe and Naseem Hamed - both long reigning world champions, beating some decent names but avoiding the all time greats that were around at the same time.

Both in the hall of fame, but might have been very different had they fought the very best in or around their division early in their reigns.

Bruno - 4 world title fights and the names he fought between Lewis and McCall were like a whose who of boxing.

You could argue that Calzaghe wasn't brilliantly promoted, as it wasn't until his mid-30s that he got to really prove himself. Obviously saying he avoided all-time greats is ridiculous, as Hopkins backed out of a fight with him at super-middle, while Jones I believe never offered him a fight until they finally met.

Multi-millionaire with his 0 in tact in a 11 year world title reign only twice being the underdog throughout his career (Delaney - amazingly, and Lacy). I think most boxers would be quite envious of that reign, even true all timers (I mean the likes of Ali etc) lose at some stage in their career.

I wonder if Ricky Hatton will be a first ballot hall of famer, the man who tried to prove himself fairly early as a proper world champion and got found out. Joe Calzaghe might not ever have got found out, he might have even beaten a prime Hopkins and Jones - why not add Toney, Montell Griffin, Harry Simon, Ottke and Beyer to the list. The fact that we can even debate this is testament to brilliant promoting.

Ricky could have reigned undefeated probably until 2010 had he just continued to fight the likes of Harries, Witter, Gatti, Urkal etc... had he retired never facing Mayweather and Pacquaio we'd be saying "damn shame he was so badly promoted he never fought them, he might have won". Joe has the added bonus of beating Roy Jones when he was ancient and so ambitious he was play fighting with his fat friend as a serious sparring partner.

palooka wrote:I think Warrington will prosper having 12 rounds instead of 3; it must be a dream for a promoter to have a boxer closely allied with a decent sized football team.

Duke McKenzie was well managed and well promoted, Named was well promoted, Paul Ingle was well promoted.

It'll turn into a nightmare if Eddie isn't careful, seems like he wants Cleverly on the next undercard, the same day Leeds play Cardiff, asking for trouble there. Did it with the last fight when they played Wednesday the same day, if he keeps doing it, sooner or later it will go off big time in the arena.

Warrington should go well over the longer distance, but I'm not sure how he will do against a fighter that can match the pace he sets, Mouneimne was inexperienced and didn't pace himself properly, Munroe and Lindsay were right at the end of their careers and Dieli wasn't up to much. He's a tidy boxer, but he isn't the biggest puncher, his workrate is his biggest asset, if it's taken away, I get the feeling he might struggle.