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But don't get too excited. What can we expect but a series of handpicked set up showcases for his favorite fighters. It's just gonna be the same old same old from boxing's machiavelli...

http://spam.com/articles/al-hay ... ing-to-nbc

I dunno why NBC would be hot to trot after what Heymon did to Showtime. Ended up giving them a bunch of garbage showcase fights that were supposed to set up marquee matchups that never materialized.

I really don't understand how this haymon deal works. It says that he is paying NBC $20 million to put his fighters on. I would have thought the network would be the ones paying. So what is Haymon getting out of it?

The difference between showtime and NBC is that Showtime needed haymon so he had them by the balls. NBC isn't going to give a shit about boxing unless it makes them money. If people don't watch haymons garbage fights, they will pull the plug. Something showtime couldn't do.

Haymon is paying NBC to use it as a platform to develop his next wave of star fighters. Insiders think Haymon is going to suffer major losses with this risky endeavor.

Anyone linking a "Scoop" Malinowski article non-ironically is an idiot or clueless. Guy is a hack & a known-Floyd hater & all things Floyd related hater.

montrealsuper wrote:Insiders think Haymon is going to suffer major losses with this risky endeavor.

Link to these alleged "Insiders" making this assessment?

Most of the "Insiders" & outsiders got lil to no clue exactly what Al is even trying to do with this NBC deal lol. Hard to speculate on some sh!t you ain't even seen the business plan for.

The amounts he's paying for these dates breaks down to $850k per event. I got no doubt he can parlay a profit with that low an amount per event with his insane roster of guys. I mean suggesting he can't isn't so much saying Al sucks as saying boxing sucks with his who's who roster.

fornicate Al Haymon.

Who's boxing and what's the schedule ?

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What an awkward, ham-fisted title for a boxing program.

I wasn't aware that Heymon was effectively buying the airtime when I wrote that post.

I'm happy to have fights on NBC, but I'm suspicious of Heymon's influence on matchmaking considering the garbage he convinced Showtime to air last year. I also don't like the way he seems to hamstring matchmaking in general. I think it's telling that when he and Schaefer split from GBP, suddenly GBP and TR started working together much more frequently.

I never said he's "evil". That's silly talk. I'm just not sure I share his vision for the sport.

How exactly does this Al buying NBC time thing work anyway? When there is an agreement between a promoter & a channel its never mentioned quite like how this deal has been mentioned. And I mean Al isn't even a promoter, he's a manager so how does this all work.

So he's brought 20 dates of w/e for $24M. Is he just finding a promoter (I know he gots 3 or 4 guys he works with on the reg these days) & giving them the dates or does he make them pay for the dates so he'd be potentially profiting out the gate & maybe even part of the show profits or something idk? Or if he's just the middleman for the promoter is he selling advertising, taking his fighters shares (who he gets the promoter to agree to showing before he gets the date) & getting a piece of the promoter revenue for giving them the date? Or is there some other thing here I'm not understanding with how this will work? Anyone got insight on this...I mean besides Al is the devil insight.

Yea, while it's not completely outside the realm of possibility, it's hard to believe he's just dumping $20m to gain some sort of brand recognition. Maybe he gets the advertising proceeds? It's an extra unconventional arrangement because he's not even a licensed promoter. His website says this:

Haymon Boxing is the creator of the PBC Series, PBC bouts on NBC will be promoted by various licensed promoters, with each bout in accordance with applicable regulatory rules and regulations.

So it sounds like he has to contract out the promotions. It's possible he gets some percentage of the gate, but then what's in it for the promoters? I just don't get how the economics work here.

As I said on another thread, Thurman/Guerrero I like, Broner/Molina not so much.

Garcia/Peterson is good, although it's a bit shady that he sold the garbage Garcia/Salka card to Showtime on the promise of a future Garcia/Peterson fight, and then Garcia/Peterson ends up on NBC 8 months later.

The rest of the bullet points on your list I don't particularly care about.

fergusg wrote: • Olympic style random unannounced blood-based drug testing on all fighters participating on Al Haymon's shows

Oh damn. This is never good. This just leads to fights getting canceled & lesser fights replacing them. I was extremely anti-PED at one point, but upon learning more about PEDs its gonna be impossible to keep a lid on this PED thing & imho its even arguable what is or can be performance enhancing & why that is even bad to some degree. People are already doing loads of performance enhancing things, why is this enhancing thing over here bad & this other one not?

I'd hope they at least got an out where a fight won't necessarily be canceled & we can just fine a guy or something idk. You can still agree to the fight if you want & its like a overweight situation where you get 20% of their purse. If we can somehow not cancel fights & test for PEDs fair enough. Otherwise its brings more problems than successes.

fergusg wrote: I could be wrong, but the Olympic style drug testing uses WADA protocols administered by USADA/NSAC that are more flexible and less strict than the VADA standard.

Therefore, there may be scope for the treatment of borderline situations, which (I think) is what we saw with Jon Jones in the UFC.

Personally-speaking, I believe that PED cheats should be banned from participating in combat sports and not rewarded with a handsome payday.

I’m fine with athletes using anti-social drugs, such as cocaine, but not PED’s, because that’s just dangerous and cheating!

I don't believe there to be proof that fighting in the ring with PEDs in your system is any more dangerous than no PEDs in your system. If you mean to their own body eating enough cheeseburgers or not wearing a seatbelt can be considered more dangerous too. I just see that as a personal choice. But I'm open to listening if you got proof PEDs inside the ring is more dangerous. Even if there are stats that say its 0.8% more dangerous I tend to think there are better areas to focus on to improve safety in the sport. Probably could start with weigh ins & ringside protocol when guys gets KO'd.

And its only cheating cuz they say it is. Are wearing contacts cheating? Your eyes don't work that well. Do you take supplements? Thats not food. The example I use in MMA is the ACL's getting replaced with a dead guys body parts. The f#ck if that ain't cheating or should be. Brother your body broke & you took body parts from a dead guy & its cool yet this dude over here getting one lil shot is cheating? The term performance enhancing has become something I see more arbitrary than I did at one time. Plus eventually its gonna be impossible to catch it. And at some point guys will be replacing their acl with robot parts or eating stem cells for breakfast or something sci fi like that anyway. PED testing will be a failed time in sports like prohibition was for US history.

montrealsuper wrote:But don't get too excited. What can we expect but a series of handpicked set up showcases for his favorite fighters. It's just gonna be the same old same old from boxing's machiavelli...

http://spam.com/articles/al-hay ... ing-to-nbc

So, Garcia/Peterson on network TV isn't a great start?

So, Thurman/Guerrero on network TV isn't a great start?

So, full Olympic style testing isn't a great start?

You have some foolish agenda against Floyd/Haymon. I wish we could erase your stupid comment from leading this discussion on what could be a great move for boxing.

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Wow... Bloomberg TV just had Don King on for an interview... shoulda given him MUCH more time tho...

Interesting times indeed.

fergusg wrote:

jujigatame wrote:I wasn't aware that Heymon was effectively buying the airtime when I wrote that post.

I'm happy to have fights on NBC, but I'm suspicious of Heymon's influence on matchmaking considering the garbage he convinced Showtime to air last year. I also don't like the way he seems to hamstring matchmaking in general. I think it's telling that when he and Schaefer split from GBP, suddenly GBP and TR started working together much more frequently.

I'm just not sure I share his vision for the sport.

Judge for yourself and let me know your thoughts?

• Keith Thurman vs. Robert Guerrero
• Adrien Broner vs. John Molina Jr.
• Danny Garcia vs. Lamont Peterson (WBA, WBC and IBF light welterweight unification clash)
• Olympic style random unannounced blood-based drug testing on all fighters participating on Al Haymon's shows
• Sugar Ray Leonard as a guest analyst
• There is no PPV
• The fights are televised on primetime

http://www.worldboxingnews.net/20150114 ... erson.html

I don’t know about you, but I for one will be delighted if Haymon continues to match-make quality fights like those listed above.

yeah, its true good cards for free, nice.

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eastezrider wrote:Premier Boxing Champions

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@twitter has been blowing up all day with all kinds of #boxing news...

Wow... Bloomberg TV just had Don King on for an interview... shoulda given him MUCH more time tho...

Interesting times indeed.

@KevinI wrote: Just talked to @OscarDeLaHoya and he said he's in talks to make @RuslanProvod against Lucas Matthysse. Not done yet. Would be sensational

Interesting times indeed. loads of tweets from GBP, Top Rank and the other UnUsual Suspects...

As much as many people hate Haymon, this is going to be a big boost to boxing as far as popularity goes, imo. I personally am sick of mainly the top prima donnas and their greedy promoters that force people to buy ppv's just to see the fight.

I think Haymon possibly sees that ppv's are going away because of the streaming, and is beating the rest to the punch to take advantage. How many of you honestly still pay for PPV's? Besides me, that is.. I don't know, maybe I am way off in my thinking.

Haters will be biting their tongues for a bit after this.. Either that or they will continue to blindly hate as usual. I'm guessing the latter.

This is great news and Ive been wanting to see Thurman/Guerrero and Peterson/Garcia.

I think if Thurman beats Guerrero he should get Floyd or Pac next!!!!

Why so few posts on this? Oh yeah, the haters are actually biting their tongue because as always they look like jackasses. So is Haymon still bad for the sport? Looks to me like he's doing something for the sport that no one else has been able to and because of the personal bias most show on here, they're ignoring the whole situation.. TOO FUNNY!!

hurricanemitch14 wrote:This is great news and Ive been wanting to see Thurman/Guerrero and Peterson/Garcia.

I think if Thurman beats Guerrero he should get Floyd or Pac next!!!!

Keith is definitely on the shortlist for Floyd with a W. I kinda feel like its gonna be too little too late with this being his first elite level opponent. He's gotta get it in Sept. or bust (assuming it is Floyd's last fight which is a huge assumption knowing boxers). I think if he beats Robert & then fights Amir or some other top ten guy in June I think he puts himself in the best position to get Floyd.