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1. (1.) Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. (2.) Manny Pacquiao
3. (3.) Roman Gonzalez
4. (5.) Wladimir Klitschko
5. (7.) Carl Froch
6. (8.) Sergey Kovalev
7. (4.) Andre Ward
8. (11.) Timothy Bradley
9. (6.) Juan Manuel Marquez
10. (9.) Guillermo Rigondeaux

11. (10.) Gennady Golovkin
12. (13.) Terence Crawford
13. (12.) Juan Francisco Estrada
14. (14.) Saul Alvarez
15. (15.) Adonis Stevenson
16. (16.) Shinsuke Yamanaka
17. (18.) Nicholas Walters
18. (17.) Mikey Garcia
19. (19.) Miguel Cotto
20. (20.) Leo Santa Cruz

21. (NE.) Naoya Inoue
22. (21.) Bernard Hopkins
23. (27.) Erislandy Lara
24. (23.) Kell Brook
25. (22.) Mauricio Herrera
26. (24.) Danny Garcia
27. (25.) Carl Frampton
28. (26.) Donnie Nietes
29. (28.) Marco Huck
30. (29.) Nonito Donaire

Out - (30.) Jhonny Gonzalez

How does Froch rise above Ward when neither has fought in the past month? And when they did fight Ward schooled him. Same goes for JMM, he didn't fight, but Froch and Kovalev moved above him without fighting.

expe wrote:How does Froch rise above Ward when neither has fought in the past month? And when they did fight Ward schooled him. Same goes for JMM, he didn't fight, but Froch and Kovalev moved above him without fighting.

Ward should be out of it all together as he hasn't fought for over a year.

Naandrew wrote:

expe wrote:How does Froch rise above Ward when neither has fought in the past month? And when they did fight Ward schooled him. Same goes for JMM, he didn't fight, but Froch and Kovalev moved above him without fighting.

Ward should be out of it all together as he hasn't fought for over a year.

He hasn't retired and intends to fight again, legal issues and no one decent wanting to fight him aren't his fault. He's just signed with rocnation today, so he will be fighting in the next few months. I can understand him falling due to inactivity, but putting Froch above him is a shocker.

expe wrote:How does Froch rise above Ward when neither has fought in the past month? And when they did fight Ward schooled him. Same goes for JMM, he didn't fight, but Froch and Kovalev moved above him without fighting.

Ward's been inactive for over a year, his win against Froch was over three years ago.

I move fighters whenever I want on my world list. I don't have to wait for them to fight.

Horse wrote:1. (1.) Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. (2.) Manny Pacquiao
3. (3.) Roman Gonzalez
4. (5.) Wladimir Klitschko
5. (7.) Carl Froch
6. (8.) Sergey Kovalev
7. (4.) Andre Ward
8. (11.) Timothy Bradley
9. (6.) Juan Manuel Marquez
10. (9.) Guillermo Rigondeaux

11. (10.) Gennady Golovkin
12. (13.) Terence Crawford
13. (12.) Juan Francisco Estrada
14. (14.) Saul Alvarez
15. (15.) Adonis Stevenson
16. (16.) Shinsuke Yamanaka
17. (18.) Nicholas Walters
18. (17.) Mikey Garcia
19. (19.) Miguel Cotto
20. (20.) Leo Santa Cruz

21. (NE.) Naoya Inoue
22. (21.) Bernard Hopkins
23. (27.) Erislandy Lara
24. (23.) Kell Brook
25. (22.) Mauricio Herrera
26. (24.) Danny Garcia
27. (25.) Carl Frampton
28. (26.) Donnie Nietes
29. (28.) Marco Huck
30. (29.) Nonito Donaire

Out - (30.) Jhonny Gonzalez

dude stop being ridicoulus...this list is total shiit.

having an old man like marquez or a feather fisted bradley with 3 losses and 1 draw over primed super skilled boxers like rigondeaux or lara.
froch over ward, when ward beat every round froch??? if you rate ward, than ward is easily top 4, but you shouldnt rate him. he doesnt box, he is out.

still x on the list, when last fight showed he is over.

herrera on a top 30 list, with losing 3 bouts since 2012, not including the robbery over danny. a guy like this over a athletic well skilled champ like brok who has done nothing but winning in over 30 fights

expe wrote:He hasn't retired and intends to fight again, legal issues and no one decent wanting to fight him aren't his fault. He's just signed with rocnation today, so he will be fighting in the next few months. I can understand him falling due to inactivity, but putting Froch above him is a shocker.

Beating someone doesn't mean you get to stay above them in the rankings for the rest of your career.

Their fight was three years ago and Froch has done a lot more than Ward has since then.

Chepppaaa wrote:dude stop being ridicoulus...this list is total shiit.

having an old man like marquez or a feather fisted bradley with 3 losses and 1 draw over primed super skilled boxers like rigondeaux or lara.

Lara is a very negative fighter and he doesn't deserve to be above fighters like Marquez or Bradley.

Chepppaaa wrote:froch over ward, when ward beat every round froch??? if you rate ward, than ward is easily top 4, but you shouldnt rate him. he doesnt box, he is out.

Ward beat Froch over three years ago. Ward doesn't get to stay high in the rankings for wins he got years and years ago, he's got to keep doing stuff to maintain a high ranking.

Chepppaaa wrote:still x on the list, when last fight showed he is over.

Losing to Kovalev doesn't mean that you are washed up.

Chepppaaa wrote:herrera on a top 30 list, with losing 3 bouts since 2012, not including the robbery over danny. a guy like this over a athletic well skilled champ like brok who has done nothing but winning in over 30 fights

Who's Brok? If you mean Brook then Brook's above him.

fergusg wrote:Why has Mikey Garcia been relegated by one position when he it has been less than a year since his last contest? This is different to your treatment of Andre Ward who retained his 2nd rank 12 months after his last fight. Does this mean that your favourite fighters receive special treatment?

What?

fergusg wrote:Why has Juan Manuel Marquez descended three places in your rank when none of the men ranked above him has fought within the last month?

Bradley fought last month.

fergusg wrote:Why did you choose to elevate Timothy Bradley’s ranking, even though he technically drew his bout in December against a welterweight that had lost two of his previous three bouts (regardless of whether or not the decision was dubious in nature)?

Because I wanted to.

fergusg wrote:Put it this way, according to your own rankings, Timothy Bradley was ranked below Gennady Golovkin in November, but despite the fact that GGG hasn’t fought since then and Desert Strom drawing against an opponent KO’d by Keith Thurman (who you don't even rate), you now rate Tim higher than GGG?

The majority of your last two months’ worth of pound-for-pound rankings contains unnecessary changes, as you keep shuffling the pack despite the fact that nearly all of the fighters under consideration hadn’t actually fought that month.

Fdvadsv.

Horse wrote:

expe wrote:He hasn't retired and intends to fight again, legal issues and no one decent wanting to fight him aren't his fault. He's just signed with rocnation today, so he will be fighting in the next few months. I can understand him falling due to inactivity, but putting Froch above him is a shocker.

Beating someone doesn't mean you get to stay above them in the rankings for the rest of your career.

Their fight was three years ago and Froch has done a lot more than Ward has since then.

Rabbit in the headlights Bute, Mack, shot Kessler and Groves x2, who'd never fought above domestic level. Beating Dawson and Rodriguez easily compares to that. And Ward would still beat the shit out of Froch, so he should be above him, otherwise the entire point of P4P is invalid.

expe wrote:Rabbit in the headlights Bute, Mack, shot Kessler and Groves x2, who'd never fought above domestic level. Beating Dawson and Rodriguez easily compares to that. And Ward would still beat the poo out of Froch, so he should be above him, otherwise the entire point of P4P is invalid.

I disagree.

fergusg wrote:I know that your pound-for-pound rankings are only a bit of fun, but I thought you’d at least adopt a consistent approach.

Put it this way, neither Nicholas Walters nor Mikey Garcia fought last month, but you decided to swap their rankings. If Garcia’s inactivity doesn’t explain this, then what’s your reasoning?

If Garcia's inactivity explains your decision, then why have you adopted a different approach to the one you applied with Andre Ward?

What different approach? What are you talking about?

fergusg wrote:Timothy Bradley being elevated to 8th spot (from 11th place) in your rankings has no bearing whatsoever on Juan Manuel Marquez being relegated from 6th to 9th.

fergusg wrote:Your decision makes no sense!

Does a draw with Diego Chaves actually justify you rating Tim Bradley above Gennady Golovkin, because he was ranked below him before that fight?

Yes.

fergusg wrote:Should we simply disregard your monthly pound-for-pound rankings, because your opinion on the rating of fighters changes every month, despite the fact that the majority of them haven’t actually fought during that period?

Gsasj.

Horse wrote:

expe wrote:Rabbit in the headlights Bute, Mack, shot Kessler and Groves x2, who'd never fought above domestic level. Beating Dawson and Rodriguez easily compares to that. And Ward would still beat the poo out of Froch, so he should be above him, otherwise the entire point of P4P is invalid.

I disagree.

With which bit?

fergusg wrote:I'll go back to the original question that you side-stepped... why did you relegate Mikey Garcia's rank?

Because he hasn't fought in almost a year and he doesn't have a fight scheduled.

fergusg wrote:Why has Juan Manuel Marquez been relegated three places? What has changed since last month? Answer the damn question!

No.

fergusg wrote:So I assume that your monthly pound-for-pound rankings are meaningless because your opinion changes without reason?

Djihds.

expe wrote:With which bit?

Froch's record over the last three years is a lot better than Ward's.

Horse wrote:

expe wrote:With which bit?

Froch's record over the last three years is a lot better than Ward's.

Until Ward fights again.I would not include him.
There has to be a point when inactivity removes you from discussion of p4p

tiny_acres wrote:Until Ward fights again.I would not include him.
There has to be a point when inactivity removes you from discussion of p4p

I think 18 months is that point.

12 months of inactivity is not that uncommon in boxing.

Bradley moving after the Chaves fight is just ridiculous. Marquez staying so high is very questionable too.

Putting Carl Froch above Andre Ward is embarrassing.

Golovkin at 11 (he's actually dropped a place) Sorry Horse, this is nonsense.

Either take Ward out of the list or he has to be above Froch. Gonzalez at 3 How the F-ing hell is Bradley at 8??????????????????????????


I know it's subjective but this list is a crock of shit Horse.

Ian1973 wrote: I know it's subjective but this list is a crock of poo Horse.

Or in other words, it is a horse poo

fergusg wrote:Mikey Garcia has experienced drops in your rankings in each of the last three months at least… and he has been inactive for less than 12 months.

You then stated that you were reluctant to move Andre Ward from his number two rank until he experienced 12 months on inactivity:

So where's the consistency?

October - Overtaken by Estrada and Gonzalez who had both won in the previous month.
November - Overtaken by Yamananka who had won in the previous month.
December - Overtaken by Kovalev and Crawford who had both won in the previous month.
January - I decided to drop him because of his 11+ months of inactivity.

Like I've said I'll move a fighter whenever I see fit. I moved him down a month before a year of inactivity. So what?

fergusg wrote:Meanwhile, you offer no reason whatsoever for your decision to drop Juan Manuel Marquez’s rank from 6th pace to 9th, when none of the men ranked above him (other than Tim Bradley), whose rank has changed, has fought last month.

I wanted to move him.

fergusg wrote:You also provide no real explanation as to why you believe a draw against Diego Chaves actually justifies you rating Tim Bradley above Gennady Golovkin, because he was ranked below him before that fight?

Bradley has a much better record than Golovkin. Why shouldn't he be above him?

fergusg wrote:I know that pound-for-pound rankings are only meant to be a bit of fun, but your monthly threads are meaningless if you refuse to explain your dodgy decisions.

Do not come back then.

ikorolev wrote:Bradley moving after the Chaves fight is just ridiculous.

Why? He clearly won.

ikorolev wrote:Marquez staying so high is very questionable too.

I've moved him down three places this month. Marquez is still generally considered to be a top 10 P4P fighter.

Ring: http://ringtv.craveonline.com/ratings
TBRB: http://www.tbrb.org/p4p/

Ettt9350 wrote:Putting Carl Froch above Andre Ward is embarrassing.

The last three years:

Ward - Dawson & Rodriguez.
Froch - Bute, Mack, Kessler, Groves & Groves.

Froch has done significantly more in the last three years.

Ian1973 wrote:Golovkin at 11 (he's actually dropped a place) Sorry Horse, this is nonsense.

Too high?

Ian1973 wrote:Either take Ward out of the list or he has to be above Froch.

Froch deserves to be higher. This is a current P4P ranking, not an all time rankings.

Ian1973 wrote:Gonzalez at 3 How the F-ing hell is Bradley at 8??????????????????????????

They're fairly standard rankings for Gonzalez & Bradley. There's nothing wacky about it.

Gonzalez: Ring - 5th. TBRB - 3rd.
Bradley: Ring - 7th. TBRB - 4th.

Ian1973 wrote:I know it's subjective but this list is a crock of poo Horse.

No.