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Golden Boy Promotions settled its lawsuit with former CEO Richard Schaefer on Friday and surrendered its promotional rights to a number of top boxers who are signed with powerful manager/adviser Al Haymon, a source familiar with the deal told Yahoo Sports.

Golden Boy president Oscar De La Hoya wanted to be able to put on the best possible fights, the source said, but felt hamstrung by having to get Haymon's approval each time he wanted to make a match. Golden Boy will retain the promotional rights to Haymon-advised fighters such as Amir Khan, Lucas Matthysse and Leo Santa Cruz. Golden Boy also has a deal independent of Haymon with Canelo Alvarez, one of the biggest stars in the sport.

However, there will be a serious talent drain, with fighters like welterweight Adrien Broner and Danny Garcia, who had been Golden Boy staples the past several years, remaining with Haymon.

Haymon is not a promoter, but he's purchased time on NBC and is planning to start a boxing series on the network later this year. The fights he has will primarily be on NBC Sports Network, with a few of them on the broadcast network NBC itself...

I was beginning to think that Boxing was in need of a "Al Haymon Belt" like the WBC, WBA, The Al Haymon champion of the World is....

Sounds like Richard could be back in the game by this summer. If thats true GBP ain't promoting Floyd's (alleged) last fight cuz I suspect we'll be seeing a Al & Al's investors backed promotion with Richard as a CEO within months of Richard getting back in the game.

ReggieDiggs wrote:Sounds like Richard could be back in the game by this summer. If thats true GBP ain't promoting Floyd's (alleged) last fight cuz I suspect we'll be seeing a Al & Al's investors backed promotion with Richard as a CEO within months of Richard getting back in the game.

GBP will never again promote a Floyd fight.Floyd's ego is too big to do it.

tiny_acres wrote:

ReggieDiggs wrote:Sounds like Richard could be back in the game by this summer. If thats true GBP ain't promoting Floyd's (alleged) last fight cuz I suspect we'll be seeing a Al & Al's investors backed promotion with Richard as a CEO within months of Richard getting back in the game.

GBP will never again promote a Floyd fight.Floyd's ego is too big to do it.

I think Leonard might be too much of a f#ck up at this point to run Mayweather Promotions by himself so idk about the May fight. In particular if it somehow ends up being a big fight (vs Manny or Miguel). It kinda seems like there might be too much going on with the actual fight to be able to switch things promoter-wise at this point to me. Although I suspect Floyd sees it as a huge diss that Saul (GBP's guy) is trying to swipe the Cinco de Mayo date so he might just not wanna f#ck with GBP for that offense. But Oscar does seem like Saul's battered wife when he talks about that date like he's still trying to stay in Floyd's good graces as best he can while trying to appease two masters.

MachoTime wrote:I was beginning to think that Boxing was in need of a "Al Haymon Belt" like the WBC, WBA, The Al Haymon champion of the World is....

That will quickly become the focus of the IBF.

Now we know why Floyd ducked Khan. Khan is with Oscar and can't be manipulated by Haymon.

montrealsuper wrote:Now we know why Floyd ducked Khan. Khan is with Oscar and can't be manipulated by Haymon.

Kahn is a Haymon fighter

tiny_acres wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:Now we know why Floyd ducked Khan. Khan is with Oscar and can't be manipulated by Haymon.

Kahn is a Haymon fighter

Khan, Matthysse and Santa Cruz are all loyal to Haymon, they're just waiting for their contracts to expire! Only Alvarez is loyal to Goldenboy/De La Hoya!

I wonder what promotional outfit Wilder/Garcia will fight on now, now that they have severed all ties with Goldenboy??? My guess is a Scaefer ran Mayweather promotions... wel really a Haymon ran Mayweather promotions but Schaefer as CEO!

montrealsuper wrote:Now we know why Floyd ducked Khan. Khan is with Oscar and can't be manipulated by Haymon.

There really should be a certain boxing IQ level to be able to post. Like a boxing quiz that'll earn you certain amount of posts a day or week. So the smart boxing people can get 20+ posts a day & dumb mfers can get 1 post a week.

ReggieDiggs wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:Now we know why Floyd ducked Khan. Khan is with Oscar and can't be manipulated by Haymon.

There really should be a certain boxing IQ level to be able to post. Like a boxing quiz that'll earn you certain amount of posts a day or week. So the smart boxing people can get 20+ posts a day & dumb mfers can get 1 post a week.

Man we would only have 30 posters able to post here.

tiny_acres wrote:

ReggieDiggs wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:Now we know why Floyd ducked Khan. Khan is with Oscar and can't be manipulated by Haymon.

There really should be a certain boxing IQ level to be able to post. Like a boxing quiz that'll earn you certain amount of posts a day or week. So the smart boxing people can get 20+ posts a day & dumb mfers can get 1 post a week.

Man we would only have 30 posters able to post here.

There would be some epic Bnovelist & Montrealsuper posts with their one post a week for sure. It'd take like 3 minutes to scroll down.

@KevinI wrote: However, there will be a serious talent* drain, with fighters like welterweight Adrien Broner and Danny Garcia, who had been Golden Boy staples the past several years...

*Kevin and I have serious differences on what is considered "serious talent"... although we both agreed on Gennady Gennadyevich Golovkin as 2014 FOTY...

ReggieDiggs wrote:Sounds like Richard could be back in the game by this summer. If thats true GBP ain't promoting Floyd's (alleged) last fight cuz I suspect we'll be seeing a Al & Al's investors backed promotion with Richard as a CEO within months of Richard getting back in the game.

I'm not sure what part of this that most people fails to understand; the entire reason why Floyd got his own Promotions Company was for him to be able to keep Oscar and any other promoter out of his pockets; Mayweather was paying GBP 2.5 million per bout to promote his fights and since he has acquired his own license he no longer needs to pay them for anything.

People point the finger at Haymon for being this "bad guy" but he is no worse than Arum or King and Oscar isn't exactly some Saintly Promoter himself.

KBB wrote:

ReggieDiggs wrote:Sounds like Richard could be back in the game by this summer. If thats true GBP ain't promoting Floyd's (alleged) last fight cuz I suspect we'll be seeing a Al & Al's investors backed promotion with Richard as a CEO within months of Richard getting back in the game.

I'm not sure what part of this that most people fails to understand; the entire reason why Floyd got his own Promotions Company was for him to be able to keep Oscar and any other promoter out of his pockets; Mayweather was paying GBP 2.5 million per bout to promote his fights and since he has acquired his own license he no longer needs to pay them for anything.

People point the finger at Haymon for being this "bad guy" but he is no worse than Arum or King and Oscar isn't exactly some Saintly Promoter himself.

If Mayweather Promotions was for real they woulda had a promotional license years ago & wouldn't need to pay GBP anything. Its not like its a new entity. The fact is Mayweather Promotions isn't equipped to do the job quite yet arguable & definitely wasn't in the past. Mayweather Promotions is promoting Floyd fights in name only. GBP seems to be doing the real work or at least they were. I think that was made evident once Richard was out of the picture as he clearly had a different relationship with Floyd than Oscar does & Floyd himself had issues with the first fight minus Richard & seemingly with Leonard Ellerbe doing something promotional CEO wise for perhaps the first time. So basically if this as of yet speculative Al & his investors promotional entity is created & ran by Richard I fully expect we'll be seeing Mayweather Promotions "promoting" Floyd's "last fight" but it'll be just like his situation with GBP with this new as of yet unnamed group & Richard will be once again doing the work. It is also possible this new Al & his investors promotional entity will be Mayweather Promotions as CEO'd by Richard.

The biggest thing with Al is he isn't even a promoter yet he keeps being compared to guys like Arum & King. Seems like the reason people are going over to him for advisement & managerial duties is he gives a damn about the fighter, is a shrewd businessman & doesn't rob mfers. His alleged deal with Peter Quillin is 10% AFTER $1.8M. So if Peter gets $1.8M for his next fight he don't owe Al a penny. If he makes $2M, he gets his $1.8M & of the plus $200,000 Al gets $20k. Is anyone doing deals this sexy from the boxers pov that is of Al's capabilities? I'm guessing no.

I hope Al is a taste of things to come for the fighters. I've been saying for awhile I'd love to see all the high level guys on one fight contracts & Al's way of business seems to be the way to make that a reality potentially. If thats his goal idk & its probably not, but the less nailed down by a promoter a boxer is the better fights I suspect we'll see & the less influence who a fighter is promoted by can dictate what fights are makeable or not makeable at any point in time. The one thing that would need to happen is rebuilding some of this bridges Al has burnt down, but he's a smart mfer so I got no clue when the time is right he'll do just that.

ReggieDiggs wrote:

KBB wrote:

ReggieDiggs wrote:Sounds like Richard could be back in the game by this summer. If thats true GBP ain't promoting Floyd's (alleged) last fight cuz I suspect we'll be seeing a Al & Al's investors backed promotion with Richard as a CEO within months of Richard getting back in the game.

I'm not sure what part of this that most people fails to understand; the entire reason why Floyd got his own Promotions Company was for him to be able to keep Oscar and any other promoter out of his pockets; Mayweather was paying GBP 2.5 million per bout to promote his fights and since he has acquired his own license he no longer needs to pay them for anything.

People point the finger at Haymon for being this "bad guy" but he is no worse than Arum or King and Oscar isn't exactly some Saintly Promoter himself.

If Mayweather Promotions was for real they woulda had a promotional license years ago & wouldn't need to pay GBP anything. Its not like its a new entity. The fact is Mayweather Promotions isn't equipped to do the job quite yet arguable & definitely wasn't in the past. Mayweather Promotions is promoting Floyd fights in name only. GBP seems to be doing the real work or at least they were. I think that was made evident once Richard was out of the picture as he clearly had a different relationship with Floyd than Oscar does & Floyd himself had issues with the first fight minus Richard & seemingly with Leonard Ellerbe doing something promotional CEO wise for perhaps the first time. So basically if this as of yet speculative Al & his investors promotional entity is created & ran by Richard I fully expect we'll be seeing Mayweather Promotions "promoting" Floyd's "last fight" but it'll be just like his situation with GBP with this new as of yet unnamed group & Richard will be once again doing the work. It is also possible this new Al & his investors promotional entity will be Mayweather Promotions as CEO'd by Richard.

The biggest thing with Al is he isn't even a promoter yet he keeps being compared to guys like Arum & King. Seems like the reason people are going over to him for advisement & managerial duties is he gives a damn about the fighter, is a shrewd businessman & doesn't rob mfers. His alleged deal with Peter Quillin is 10% AFTER $1.8M. So if Peter gets $1.8M for his next fight he don't owe Al a penny. If he makes $2M, he gets his $1.8M & of the plus $200,000 Al gets $20k. Is anyone doing deals this sexy from the boxers pov that is of Al's capabilities? I'm guessing no.

I hope Al is a taste of things to come for the fighters. I've been saying for awhile I'd love to see all the high level guys on one fight contracts & Al's way of business seems to be the way to make that a reality potentially. If thats his goal idk & its probably not, but the less nailed down by a promoter a boxer is the better fights I suspect we'll see & the less influence who a fighter is promoted by can dictate what fights are makeable or not makeable at any point in time. The one thing that would need to happen is rebuilding some of this bridges Al has burnt down, but he's a smart mfer so I got no clue when the time is right he'll do just that.

The funny thing about this is that most people (including yourself) are under some type of delusion as to Mayweather Promotions being Floyd by himself trying to put all of this together and do the entire show with a few people like Ellerbe and whomever but it's actually much more complicated than that> http://www.BS.com/binkow-hired ... ant--79448

http://hispanicad.com/agency/ad-agency/ ... -marketing

I think he's going about this company as wise as ever, especially since he has Buffett to advise him on how to run things and make the right/strategic investments with plans to make him a Billionaire.

GBP and the rest of them got their start as humbly as Floyd did but I guess people tend to forget those things and assume the worse based on whatever thoughts they hold of Floyd based on what they have seen but yet have no insight on what he's doing on the other side that they don't see.

KBB wrote: The funny thing about this is that most people (including yourself) are under some type of delusion as to Mayweather Promotions being Floyd by himself trying to put all of this together and do the entire show with a few people like Ellerbe and whomever but it's actually much more complicated than that> http://www.BS.com/binkow-hired ... ant--79448

http://hispanicad.com/agency/ad-agency/ ... -marketing

I think he's going about this company as wise as ever, especially since he has Buffett to advise him on how to run things and make the right/strategic investments with plans to make him a Billionaire.

GBP and the rest of them got their start as humbly as Floyd did but I guess people tend to forget those things and assume the worse based on whatever thoughts they hold of Floyd based on what they have seen but yet have no insight on what he's doing on the other side that they don't see.

Where am I suggesting this is just Floyd? I mentioned Leonard Ellerbe several times already as he's the CEO. And hiring a consultant, even a consultant with some name value, doesn't legitimize you lol wtf man. They might call on him once a month or worse yet every time there is a Mayweather Promotions card & have a prearranged fee. I know cats who got starter companies who have consultants ffs. Its not like he's getting a weekly check most likely. And plus these people have been added recently. Mayweather Promotions has been around for years. They have been "promoting" Floyd fights under GBP for years.

And no GBP didn't start out this humble. Quit bsing lol. Mayweather Promotions is maybe 3 or 4 steps up from the typical name fighter promotional entity. Lotsa name guys have started similar promotional groups. Mayweather Promotions is definitely higher on the food chain than Manny's or Miguel's promotional namesake, no question about that, but its no where near the level of the big dogs & they've been piggybacking off of GBP for most of their history. I mean GBP has been around for 13 years & Mayweather Promotions has been around for 8 years. There isn't THAT much time between how long these two orgs have been around.

ReggieDiggs wrote:

KBB wrote: The funny thing about this is that most people (including yourself) are under some type of delusion as to Mayweather Promotions being Floyd by himself trying to put all of this together and do the entire show with a few people like Ellerbe and whomever but it's actually much more complicated than that> http://www.BS.com/binkow-hired ... ant--79448

http://hispanicad.com/agency/ad-agency/ ... -marketing

I think he's going about this company as wise as ever, especially since he has Buffett to advise him on how to run things and make the right/strategic investments with plans to make him a Billionaire.

GBP and the rest of them got their start as humbly as Floyd did but I guess people tend to forget those things and assume the worse based on whatever thoughts they hold of Floyd based on what they have seen but yet have no insight on what he's doing on the other side that they don't see.

Where am I suggesting this is just Floyd? I mentioned Leonard Ellerbe several times already as he's the CEO. And hiring a consultant, even a consultant with some name value, doesn't legitimize you lol wtf man. They might call on him once a month or worse yet every time there is a Mayweather Promotions card & have a prearranged fee. I know cats who got starter companies who have consultants ffs. Its not like he's getting a weekly check most likely. And plus these people have been added recently. Mayweather Promotions has been around for years. They have been "promoting" Floyd fights under GBP for years.

And no GBP didn't start out this humble. Quit bsing lol. Mayweather Promotions is maybe 3 or 4 steps up from the typical name fighter promotional entity. Lotsa name guys have started similar promotional groups. Mayweather Promotions is definitely higher on the food chain than Manny's or Miguel's promotional namesake, no question about that, but its no where near the level of the big dogs & they've been piggybacking off of GBP for most of their history. I mean GBP has been around for 13 years & Mayweather Promotions has been around for 8 years. There isn't THAT much time between how long these two orgs have been around.

ok, I won't debate with a Floyd fan....I see you've done your homework. Good job

ok, I won't debate with a Floyd fan....I see you've done your homework. Good job

Not that he needs any defense, but Reg is no huge Floyd fan, and you'd probably know that if you paid even a little bit of attention- but like too many people around here these days, you don't even read before the bile shoots out of your fingertips in response.
You see a lot of words and without even reading or moderately understanding, say "I see you've done your homework, good job".


So good job to you, Sir.
Carry on. Enlighten us all more, please.

This is the reason many of the better posters at Boxrec have "faded into Bolivian". As Mike would say.

uptconnect wrote:Not that he needs any defense, but Reg is no huge Floyd fan

Not sure if you're f#cking with KBB or think this for real so pardon my reveal cuz I'm like 20%+ sure you are for real & I hate being misrepresented if I'm not in on the joke.

I'm a huge, but objective Floyd fan. I was born & lived in Grand Rapids. I've known who Floyd was & was a fan since 3 years before the 96 Olympics. I'm a fan of all western Michigan boxers & just Michigan boxers in general to a lesser degree (Kronk is like my Wu-Tang Clan, Andy Lee is an honorary Michigan resident to me).

I'm a huge, but objective Floyd fan.

Tongue in cheek, for sure.
Wish tone could be more easily put across in text.
Not that you need any defense.