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When Floyd beats Pacman he has nothing left in the game he can achieve..

Floyd will be rated as the best boxer of his generation..

Pacman will be his greatest achievement when he beats him but here is what I think are his top five achievements in the ring:

5) Knocking out Ricky Hatton.
Floyd was favourite going into the fight but many taught Ricky would rough Floyd up. What actually happened was Floyd showed speed an counter punching at his best the claim his last real knock out victory.

4) Schooling Jose Luis Castillo
After his closest fight in his career Floyd went straight back and fought Castillo again. Many people had the first fight close and everybody has the second fight as a classy one side performance.

3) The entertaining fight with Cotto
Many people from the back of the MGM had the fight very close. Everybody ringside and on saw floyds ability to slip shots on the ropes. It was probably one of floyds most entertaining fights and his ability to slip shots that night will never be forgotten.

2) Obliterating Juan Manual Marquez
In a fight of two p4p top fives it was always going to be a close fight. what happened was one of the most one sided fights possible and Marquez could of thrown punches all night and he still wouldn't of laid a glove on Floyd that night. Master class

1) Beating Alvarez
When the number one welterweight fights the number one junior middleweight the welterweight is not meant to win. Speed and timing got the better of the young lion that night.

We may never see the likes of mayweather again so appreciate him while he is around..

Ps. Im still a Pacman fan first and I hope Pacman knocks him out but I really don't see it happening

Nice post from an unbiased Manny Pacquiao fan.

No one can take the TBE title from Robinson with the current state of boxing. Floyds hands would not have endured a TBE worthy fight schedule. The bar was set too high and the game has changed too much for it to be reached any more.

He will go down as one of the greatest but certainly not TBE or the GOAT

Onekrazyrican wrote:No one can take the TBE title from Robinson with the current state of boxing. Floyds hands would not have endured a TBE worthy fight schedule. The bar was set too high and the game has changed too much for it to be reached any more.

He will go down as one of the greatest but certainly not TBE or the GOAT

More than likely not, just as many don't believe that Ali is "The Greatest" but yet he is still known as such and people still call him that today.

I don't think any fighter will call themselves "TWE" The Worst Ever, so it isn't uncommon for one to place a moniker upon themselves that promotes greatness even if they know they aren't necessarily "The Greatest" or "The Best Ever".

I get it but most people seem to line it up with what they think a person is trying to say about themselves and in the case of Floyd and his ego people naturally assume that he is saying he is better than everyone else.

What is he supposed to say, "that they're all better than me"? TABTM

I don't think that would look too cool on a baseball hat, lol

Yes I truly believe that Floyd Mayweather might in fact be the poster TBE from this site.

Floyd Mayweather is not TBE, because:
1.) he didnt fight with Pacquiao in 2010 or 2011
2.) he pick up good referee (for him) for second Maidana fight
3.) he fought with Alvarez in catchweight 152 lbs and rehydratation limit 165 lbs
4.) he didnt fight Mosley at his prime
5.) that cheap punch against Ortiz (yes protect yourself at all times, but TBE would never do this shit)
5.) for last couple of years, he handpicks 90% of his opponents
6.) all that gloves bullshit, roids bullshit, "0" bullshit, purse bullshit etc.

Really TBE just say "bring it on". Too many BS arround Floyd, idiots like Roger and Floyd senior and dozens others arround him.
Floyd have som really big achievements and he is probably best boxer right now, but for me, definitely not TBE.

Cent0089 wrote:Floyd Mayweather is not TBE, because:
1.) he didnt fight with Pacquiao in 2010 or 2011
Fights don't happen all the time. One guy isn't gonna make or break a guy with Floyd's resume.

2.) he pick up good referee (for him) for second Maidana fight
Doesn't matter. Silly ass excuse.

3.) he fought with Alvarez in catchweight 152 lbs and rehydratation limit 165 lbs
Fighters have often had requirements for fights. Nothing new here.

4.) he didnt fight Mosley at his prime
Floyd was calling out Shane for years. Blame Shane here. In face as a Shane fan one of the most embarrassing things I saw Shane do is claim a tooth issue post fight to avoid a fight with Floyd or something silly as f#ck like that (haven't watched the video in years, but its silly at best & shameful at worst.

5.) that cheap punch against Ortiz (yes protect yourself at all times, but TBE would never do this poo)
Tyson bit a mfers ear off, he's still among the greats. TBE doesn't have a code of ethics. In fact old school thought process mfers woulda gave Floyd a fist bump cuz he did the classic old school move of when someone fouls you you foul them back. And lets be real Victor was being a dumbass here trying to makeout with Floyd or something f#cking silly.

5.) for last couple of years, he handpicks 90% of his opponents
Everyone at Floyd's level "handpicks" opponents. Sugar Ray, Manny, Oscar, Ali, all the best guys get to a point where the can decide most of the guys if not all of the guys they fight. Floyd isn't an anomaly in this regard. You don't know sh!t about boxing if you disagree

6.) all that gloves bullshit, roids bullshit, "0" bullshit, purse bullshit etc.
Don't even know what you mean here for the most part. I do know A side runs sh!t & Floyd is the A side vs anyone therefore he runs sh!t. When Floyd wasn't the A side, most notably vs Oscar he had to submit to the demands of Oscar. Thats f#cking how boxing works, like it or not.

Really TBE just say "bring it on". Too many BS arround Floyd, idiots like Roger and Floyd senior and dozens others arround him.
Floyd have som really big achievements and he is probably best boxer right now, but for me, definitely not TBE.

First off The best ever or all time great are both silly ass concepts. Ali being the greatest is a silly ass concept. Hell pound for pound is a silly ass concept. All you can be is the best in whatever divisions you boxed in during your era. But cuz I think your remarks are silly responses in bold.

Floyd is not going to be remembered or referred to as "the best ever" by anyone other than a few fans and himself.

He is the best of his generation, thats about it.

phillykid wrote:Floyd is not going to be remembered or referred to as "the best ever" by anyone other than a few fans and himself.

He is the best of his generation, thats about it.

Not a bad thing! The best fighter of the last 20 years pretty dam good I think.

The fact he has people discussing it, good or bad , tells you enough about his actual "Greatness".

Fights don't often get made when there supposed to happen, and often history will blind us of this fact.

He has fought a lot of other modern day "greats", and beaten them. you give the existing welterweight division any 2 of his wins over the last 10 years and it massively enhances there resume (only exclusion in that is Pacman to be fair)

Is he the best ever? probably not, but he's managed to get people to put him in that conversation and that in itself is a stunning achievement IMO. (yes i do understand self promotion)

Cent0089 wrote:Floyd Mayweather is not TBE, because:
1.) he didnt fight with Pacquiao in 2010 or 2011
2.) he pick up good referee (for him) for second Maidana fight
3.) he fought with Alvarez in catchweight 152 lbs and rehydratation limit 165 lbs
4.) he didnt fight Mosley at his prime
5.) that cheap punch against Ortiz (yes protect yourself at all times, but TBE would never do this poo)
5.) for last couple of years, he handpicks 90% of his opponents
6.) all that gloves bullshit, roids bullshit, "0" bullshit, purse bullshit etc.

Really TBE just say "bring it on". Too many BS arround Floyd, idiots like Roger and Floyd senior and dozens others arround him.
Floyd have som really big achievements and he is probably best boxer right now, but for me, definitely not TBE.

1. Sugar Ray Leonard didn't fight Hagler at his prime
2. What do you consider a "good" referee? Can a referee stop a fighter from landing punches? Can he simply hold one fighter and let the other fighter hit him??
3. So Sugar Ray Leonard fought Donny LaLonde at a CW and was able to get a title out of it, did anyone take anything from him for it?
4. So did Pacquiao fight Mosley in his prime?
5. I guess every fighter should be smart enough to "handpick" 23 Champions to face!! Oscar, Cotto, Mosley and a few others would consider what you are stating a huge diss to themselves by saying they were "handpicked" What about when Manny faced them? I guess they weren't "handpicked" then, huh??
6. I guess you don't understand that boxing is a business and everyone negotiates purses, gloves and everyone is doing testing for big fights but somehow your analogy only aims at Floyd.

Great job in exposing yourself as nothing more than a Hater and a dumb one to boot.

Rexob wrote:

phillykid wrote:Floyd is not going to be remembered or referred to as "the best ever" by anyone other than a few fans and himself.

He is the best of his generation, thats about it.

Not a bad thing! The best fighter of the last 20 years pretty dam good I think.

Yep, definitly not a bad thing and i didn't mean it as a slight to Floyd or anyone who disagrees with my opinion.

He's the best of his generation and probably the best Defensive fighter of all time if that were a catagory.

But TBE or to compare him to the likes of SR Robinson though? That's a bit much.

KBB wrote:

Cent0089 wrote:Floyd Mayweather is not TBE, because:
1.) he didnt fight with Pacquiao in 2010 or 2011
2.) he pick up good referee (for him) for second Maidana fight
3.) he fought with Alvarez in catchweight 152 lbs and rehydratation limit 165 lbs
4.) he didnt fight Mosley at his prime
5.) that cheap punch against Ortiz (yes protect yourself at all times, but TBE would never do this poo)
5.) for last couple of years, he handpicks 90% of his opponents
6.) all that gloves bullshit, roids bullshit, "0" bullshit, purse bullshit etc.

Really TBE just say "bring it on". Too many BS arround Floyd, idiots like Roger and Floyd senior and dozens others arround him.
Floyd have som really big achievements and he is probably best boxer right now, but for me, definitely not TBE.

1. Sugar Ray Leonard didn't fight Hagler at his prime
2. What do you consider a "good" referee? Can a referee stop a fighter from landing punches? Can he simply hold one fighter and let the other fighter hit him??
3. So Sugar Ray Leonard fought Donny LaLonde at a CW and was able to get a title out of it, did anyone take anything from him for it?
4. So did Pacquiao fight Mosley in his prime?
5. I guess every fighter should be smart enough to "handpick" 23 Champions to face!! Oscar, Cotto, Mosley and a few others would consider what you are stating a huge diss to themselves by saying they were "handpicked" What about when Manny faced them? I guess they weren't "handpicked" then, huh??
6. I guess you don't understand that boxing is a business and everyone negotiates purses, gloves and everyone is doing testing for big fights but somehow your analogy only aims at Floyd.

Great job in exposing yourself as nothing more than a Hater and a dumb one to boot.

Only you are the dumb one, i am not hater, i just explain in 6 points why Floyd Mayweather is not the best ever and never be. Calm down dude

Cent0089 wrote:Only you are the dumb one, i am not hater, i just explain in 6 points why Floyd Mayweather is not the best ever and never be. Calm down dude

I'm calm in telling you that the only thing you did was made yourself look like a Stupid Hater. By your own analogy all Floyd would've had to do is fight Manny Pacquiao and win and he could be the TBE but you're just too much of an idiot to realize that.

I'll be so glad when Floyd tax that ass so we won't have to hear or see fake boxing fans like you on this forum any longer.

fergusg wrote:I try to be objective when it comes to the Mayweather-Pacquiao debate, though I may submit more posts defending Floyd, because Manny rarely receives criticism.

Anyway, I honestly believe that casual boxing observers will eventually become more appreciative of certain fighters, either towards the end of their careers or long after they’ve retired (i.e. Leonard, Eubank Sr., Jones Jr. & Lewis were often derided when they were active, but now people tend to hold fond memories of these men).

Therefore, it seems inevitable (to me at least) that the legacies of Pacquiao and Mayweather will grow with time.

Even if both men retired tomorrow, without competing in another fight, their all-time-great ranking would likely improve significantly in a decade or so (in comparison to the current perception of both men).

That being said… and going back on topic, is Floyd Mayweather Jr. truly “The Best Ever”? Absolutely not, but he himself probably knows this and appreciates that acting like a stereotypical pantomime villain, whilst making such bizarre claims, is a very effective ploy to self-promote ones brand… and consequently results in bigger paydays for himself!

Anybody that 100% buys into Floyd Mayweather Jr’s villainous persona, by being utterly convinced that his arrogant or "evil" actions are truly sincere, needs to receive some form of counselling!

Just look at the replies of the posters on these subjects concerning Mayweather and you can see for yourself who needs counseling. Some of these guys are so caught up in labeling Mayweather "The Bad Guy" that they almost make it seem as the coke snorting, womanizing, fake Christian who promotes liquor and Tax Cheat Manny Pacquiao is some angel.

lol

fergusg wrote:I try to be objective when it comes to the Mayweather-Pacquiao debate, though I may submit more posts defending Floyd, because Manny rarely receives criticism.

Anyway, I honestly believe that casual boxing observers will eventually become more appreciative of certain fighters, either towards the end of their careers or long after they’ve retired (i.e. Leonard, Eubank Sr., Jones Jr. & Lewis were often derided when they were active, but now people tend to hold fond memories of these men).

Therefore, it seems inevitable (to me at least) that the legacies of Pacquiao and Mayweather will grow with time.

Even if both men retired tomorrow, without competing in another fight, their all-time-great ranking would likely improve significantly in a decade or so (in comparison to the current perception of both men).

That being said… and going back on topic, is Floyd Mayweather Jr. truly “The Best Ever”? Absolutely not, but he himself probably knows this and appreciates that acting like a stereotypical pantomime villain, whilst making such bizarre claims, is a very effective ploy to self-promote ones brand… and consequently results in bigger paydays for himself!

Anybody that 100% buys into Floyd Mayweather Jr’s villainous persona, by being utterly convinced that his arrogant or "evil" actions are truly sincere, needs to receive some form of counselling!

Good post. I don't think I can recall a p4p caliber guy who's accomplishments didn't get enhanced with retirement. And lol @ people having such a hard time accepting that hype is part of the game. Ali was talking about being the greatest a couple years before he did a damn thing & when he was still fighting "bums" as most here would see it.

KBB wrote:

Cent0089 wrote:Only you are the dumb one, i am not hater, i just explain in 6 points why Floyd Mayweather is not the best ever and never be. Calm down dude

I'm calm in telling you that the only thing you did was made yourself look like a Stupid Hater. By your own analogy all Floyd would've had to do is fight Manny Pacquiao and win and he could be the TBE but you're just too much of an idiot to realize that.

I'll be so glad when Floyd tax that ass so we won't have to hear or see fake boxing fans like you on this forum any longer.

Why you insult me? Just because i have opposite opinion to yours? I see only one hater here and its you, primitive. Not a single boxing expert think he is tbe :-D

Cent0089 wrote:Why you insult me? Just because i have opposite opinion to yours? I see only one hater here and its you, primitive. Not a single boxing expert think he is tbe :-D

I never said he was TBE, he says that of himself. I told the truth about you concerning the contents of what you wrote and you didn't respond to that but instead focused on other stuff so you wouldn't or possibly was unable to respond with something of substance.

Until you can respond with something logical to justify your ridiculously hate-filled responses then I'm calling it like I see it.

Not the best ever. There are others that have done much more impressive things in boxing with better resumes than Floyd. He has earned the right to be mentioned among the alltime greats but he is not the best ever. Sam Langford for example even without winning a belt has done more impressive things than Floyd. Greb, Robinson, Charles, Benny Leonard, Leonard, Chavez, Ali, Louis, Gans, Moore, and many others are still ahead of Floyd in my book.