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Arum was one of the goons who helped take boxing to PPV, yet if he did the exact same thing as Haymon, there'd be tons of topics and articles lauding him as boxing's savior.

I really don't understand what's the problem people have with Al Haymon.
Are his mismatches anything different than the bullshit boxing fans endured for years? NO!
Is the rest of boxing being run so well that he sticks out like a sore thumb? NO!
Is he even the biggest problem in boxing right now? NO!

It seems to me that there is an agenda against him. The fans are idiots. The media doesn't like anyone who isn't an attention whore. The fans are idiots. HBO acts like Haymon's shitty fights are the worst and Bob's shit is gold. Which network backed Chavez Jr and Canelo getting mismatches and bogus belts?

I for one think this is the best boxing news I've heard in a long time. Many people don't stream fights or pay for HBO or Showtime, but want to watch boxing. But, whenever fights do trickle down to regular cable, they tend to be crap. Now, there's two premium cards that HBO or Showtime would be proud to run FOR FREE! And 3 more on the way this year.

Therefore, anyone who's still shitting on Haymon should eat a dick. The guy is giving you what every boxing fan has been asking for and it still isn't good enough.

We remember last year... The mismatches, the way fans were lead to believe we would be getting A and ended up getting B.

Fans also don't like that there is still an "across the road" which will see fights not happening. If it all works then great for Al and US boxing... However fans know not to get too excited about what we are given today as tomorrow may provide disappointment.

Al is associated with Floyd therefore he's evil.

Thats about the long & short of it.

I also think boxing fans as a whole are one of the most glass half empty group of fans in all of sports. Like boxing fans are your grumpy ass killjoy aunt. You could win a million dollars & she'd be all like "you ain't really getting a million, you gotta pay taxes on it still". Thats boxing fans.

The 6 biggest fights everyone wants to see could be made tomorrow & thrown on free tv & boxing fans would be like "boxing is dead after these fights" or "If abc fights xyz @ catchweight its a bs fight" or some such negative nonsense. Boxing fans are kinda miserable f#cks.

The only thing I'm not sure of is what made boxing fans such miserable f#cks. All these current era abc org & the promoter bs or if they've were talking sh!t about Ray Robinson & Henry Armstrong too.

Ive wondered the same thing. I'm excited about these fights, and I don't give a flip if Al is a douche or not. I want to see good fights and be entertained. Putting Thurman/Guerrero in the ring makes me happy so hopefully he keeps this up and doesn't start putting shit later on in the yr.

ReggieDiggs wrote:Al is associated with Floyd therefore he's evil.

Thats about the long & short of it.

I also think boxing fans as a whole are one of the most glass half empty group of fans in all of sports. Like boxing fans are your grumpy ass killjoy aunt. You could win a million dollars & she'd be all like "you ain't really getting a million, you gotta pay taxes on it still". Thats boxing fans.

The 6 biggest fights everyone wants to see could be made tomorrow & thrown on free tv & boxing fans would be like "boxing is dead after these fights" or "If abc fights xyz @ catchweight its a bs fight" or some such negative nonsense. Boxing fans are kinda miserable f#cks.

The only thing I'm not sure of is what made boxing fans such miserable f#cks. All these current era abc org & the promoter bs or if they've were talking sh!t about Ray Robinson & Henry Armstrong too.

Couldn't have said it better. Funny post, especially the bold part (seriously LOL'd hard at that), but pathetic that's it's true. We are such downers as group. It's not just on forums or in the press either- boxing fans at live shows love to hate.

ReggieDiggs wrote: The only thing I'm not sure of is what made boxing fans such miserable f#cks. All these current era abc org & the promoter bs or if they've were talking sh!t about Ray Robinson & Henry Armstrong too.

Boxing fans have always been miserable fucks & yes, back in the day someone was grumbling at Robinson going "Charlie Mitchell... Fitzsimmons... Gloves are for pussies..." Look it up. Read old reports man. People have been bitching since fvcking John L. Sullivan.

This is because it's inherently a romantic sport, & romance goes hand-in-hand with cynicism--they're both defences against the world. People who care passionately about boxing tend to be a little fvcked up in this manner. It's the nature of its fans. Always has been.

& as for the opening poster insinuating people don't like Haymon cos they're racist (& let's face it, accusations of this nature are never far away with him)... Har-de-fuckin'-har-de-har-har-har. Coming from someone given to spout anti-semitism, that's pretty fvcking rich, to be honest.

Boxing Prospect wrote:We remember last year... The mismatches, the way fans were lead to believe we would be getting A and ended up getting B.

Fans also don't like that there is still an "across the road" which will see fights not happening. If it all works then great for Al and US boxing... However fans know not to get too excited about what we are given today as tomorrow may provide disappointment.

Well said. People have been wishing for a UFC-style buyout/takeover for years. Wiser (more miserable?) heads have been pointing out that it might not actually be a good thing, unless the quality of the matches are paramount & the fans stop getting treated like dogshit. The quality of the matches must be paramount, 'cos really if you care about the sport & aren't a casual, then that's like the UFC's unique selling wossname. It's not "the brand" or the stupid T-shirts or the presence of bald men on roids, it's the quality of the matchmaking.

It's still too early to tell if the restructuring of boxing that is The Haymon Fighting Championship will bring the same quality of matchmaking to this game as the UFC enjoys; if it does, then that's truly great & not something I'd complain about. However, if their business practices give us something else to complain about, why the fvck not?

If you insist I live in a consumer society, about the only power one has is that of influencing where people spend their money. Even the UFC, which boxing fans have looked at longingly for a decade plus, has its problems & its malcontents:

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/9/2/101 ... talks-ufcs

http://www.mmafighting.com/2014/10/19/6 ... -americans

& most worryingly, centralisation of power over there has led to shite like this, where Jon Jones fails a drugs test a month out from a fight & the owner flips the bird at anyone wanting anything done:

http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/1/15/75 ... b-mcgregor

Scumfuck Richard Schaeffer has shown zero-to-fornicate-all care regarding whether or not his boys are full of PEDs (Peterson, Berto, Morales etc etc etc) or come in fifteen pounds overweight (Broner). He is one of the movers & shakers of the Haymon Boxing Championship. His sort of behaviour is what I associate most strongly with "the Haymon brand", a sickening continuation of boxing's age-old "fvck the punters/fvck the fighters" schtick with a shiny new PR-friendly meedja-trained gloss.

Whilst I would like the stars of today to be matched up against each other, would I want a bunch of Schaeffers covering up when their stars fvck up/get caught? What if your face doesn't fit & you're the Vicente Escobedo, or a dude forced to go through with a fight against someone who's just flunked a PEDs test (I know Jones was coke rather than roids, but I'm extrapolating from Haymon Boxing's general track record regarding these things)?

Boxing fans need to continue to be vigilant & continue to moan. The press needs to continue to be vigilant & moan a fvck of a lot more. Whoever's in charge, whatever their business model, they're still gonna be shady fucks & they still need a light shined on them, & shutting down debate by going "BE GRATEFUL/UR A RACISTIST 'COS U DN'T LIEK HAYMON!11eleven!!!1" is fvcking stupid & retrograde.

Datsue wrote:

ReggieDiggs wrote: The only thing I'm not sure of is what made boxing fans such miserable f#cks. All these current era abc org & the promoter bs or if they've were talking sh!t about Ray Robinson & Henry Armstrong too.

Boxing fans have always been miserable fucks & yes, back in the day someone was grumbling at Robinson going "Charlie Mitchell... Fitzsimmons... Gloves are for pussies..." Look it up. Read old reports man. People have been bitching since fvcking John L. Sullivan.

This is because it's inherently a romantic sport, & romance goes hand-in-hand with cynicism--they're both defences against the world. People who care passionately about boxing tend to be a little fvcked up in this manner. It's the nature of its fans. Always has been.

& as for the opening poster insinuating people don't like Haymon cos they're racist (& let's face it, accusations of this nature are never far away with him)... Har-de-fuckin'-har-de-har-har-har. Coming from someone given to spout anti-semitism, that's pretty fvcking rich, to be honest.

Boxing Prospect wrote:We remember last year... The mismatches, the way fans were lead to believe we would be getting A and ended up getting B.

Fans also don't like that there is still an "across the road" which will see fights not happening. If it all works then great for Al and US boxing... However fans know not to get too excited about what we are given today as tomorrow may provide disappointment.

Well said. People have been wishing for a UFC-style buyout/takeover for years. Wiser (more miserable?) heads have been pointing out that it might not actually be a good thing, unless the quality of the matches are paramount & the fans stop getting treated like dogshit. The quality of the matches must be paramount, 'cos really if you care about the sport & aren't a casual, then that's like the UFC's unique selling wossname. It's not "the brand" or the stupid T-shirts or the presence of bald men on roids, it's the quality of the matchmaking.

It's still too early to tell if the restructuring of boxing that is The Haymon Fighting Championship will bring the same quality of matchmaking to this game as the UFC enjoys; if it does, then that's truly great & not something I'd complain about. However, if their business practices give us something else to complain about, why the fvck not?

If you insist I live in a consumer society, about the only power one has is that of influencing where people spend their money. Even the UFC, which boxing fans have looked at longingly for a decade plus, has its problems & its malcontents:

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/9/2/101 ... talks-ufcs

http://www.mmafighting.com/2014/10/19/6 ... -americans

& most worryingly, centralisation of power over there has led to shite like this, where Jon Jones fails a drugs test a month out from a fight & the owner flips the bird at anyone wanting anything done:

http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/1/15/75 ... b-mcgregor

Scumfuck Richard Schaeffer has shown zero-to-fornicate-all care regarding whether or not his boys are full of PEDs (Peterson, Berto, Morales etc etc etc) or come in fifteen pounds overweight (Broner). He is one of the movers & shakers of the Haymon Boxing Championship. His sort of behaviour is what I associate most strongly with "the Haymon brand", a sickening continuation of boxing's age-old "fvck the punters/fvck the fighters" schtick with a shiny new PR-friendly meedja-trained gloss.

Whilst I would like the stars of today to be matched up against each other, would I want a bunch of Schaeffers covering up when their stars fvck up/get caught? What if your face doesn't fit & you're the Vicente Escobedo, or a dude forced to go through with a fight against someone who's just flunked a PEDs test (I know Jones was coke rather than roids, but I'm extrapolating from Haymon Boxing's general track record regarding these things)?

Boxing fans need to continue to be vigilant & continue to moan. The press needs to continue to be vigilant & moan a fvck of a lot more. Whoever's in charge, whatever their business model, they're still gonna be shady fucks & they still need a light shined on them, & shutting down debate by going "BE GRATEFUL/UR A RACISTIST 'COS U DN'T LIEK HAYMON!11eleven!!!1" is fvcking stupid & retrograde.

What? When do I spew anti-semitism? Where did I mention race?

You try to come off as sensible and then you descend into a typical anti-Haymon/Schaeffer rant. Guess what? Every promoter has fighter on PEDs, why are you focusing on Schaeffer and Haymon? That's the point I'm trying to make. I've read tons of comments that are viciously anti-Haymon when he's only doing what's REGULAR in boxing. For some reason, Haymon's mismatches bother people more.

I've read your comments before and this one makes it seem like you've suffered some sort of brain damage (seriously).

The thing about the American champions in the UFC is closely linked to one of the things I dislike about MMA in the US. The scoring is designed to suit wrestling, takedowns and being on top on the ground, whether using it much or not, is scored far too heavily.

As for the Haymon stuff. I don't particularly like him but if it means better fights then I won't be complaining.

Datsue wrote: It's still too early to tell if the restructuring of boxing that is The Haymon Fighting Championship will bring the same quality of matchmaking to this game as the UFC enjoys; if it does, then that's truly great & not something I'd complain about. However, if their business practices give us something else to complain about, why the fvck not?

If you insist I live in a consumer society, about the only power one has is that of influencing where people spend their money. Even the UFC, which boxing fans have looked at longingly for a decade plus, has its problems & its malcontents:

About the UFC stuff the thing is I don't think anything is gonna be perfect. I think a UFC sorta league situation would clearly be better & I don't even think its debatable. Of course a more centralized power structure in boxing would be better. You wanna be like the MLB, NBA, NFL or even the UFC. You don't wanna be a traveling circus like boxing is more comparable to.

I would call my response "guarded" rather than lukewarm. Thurman/Guerrero and Garcia/Peterson are very good fights, but at the same time, it doesn't erase a pretty negative 2014 where Heymon's influence gave us the Garcia/Salka, Broner/Taylor, and Stevenson/Sukhotsky cards, not to mention Peter Quillin fighting Konecny and then turning down the Korobov fight and sitting idle for 9 months.

ReggieDiggs wrote:

Datsue wrote: It's still too early to tell if the restructuring of boxing that is The Haymon Fighting Championship will bring the same quality of matchmaking to this game as the UFC enjoys; if it does, then that's truly great & not something I'd complain about. However, if their business practices give us something else to complain about, why the fvck not?

If you insist I live in a consumer society, about the only power one has is that of influencing where people spend their money. Even the UFC, which boxing fans have looked at longingly for a decade plus, has its problems & its malcontents:

About the UFC stuff the thing is I don't think anything is gonna be perfect. I think a UFC sorta league situation would clearly be better & I don't even think its debatable. Of course a more centralized power structure in boxing would be better. You wanna be like the MLB, NBA, NFL or even the UFC. You don't wanna be a traveling circus like boxing is more comparable to.

The insular UFC "league" style is only good when one promotion has control of 90% of the top fighters. Otherwise you get a situation closer to what MMA looked like 10 years ago, when lots of matchups were impossible to make because each division was split between promotions who wouldn't work together.

fergusg wrote:Does anybody know anything about the Al Haymon?

The sketchiest thing about Al in my book is he's supposedly a rich guy & the most influential guy in the boxing world, but he still gots a Razr phone. Thats like Tom Cruise not owning a bidet.

jujigatame wrote: The insular UFC "league" style is only good when one promotion has control of 90% of the top fighters. Otherwise you get a situation closer to what MMA looked like 10 years ago, when lots of matchups were impossible to make because each division was split between promotions who wouldn't work together.

Well the top fights aren't happening now as quick as they should so idk what this even matters. I think if you took the biggest promoters in boxing & made them "owners" of a pro boxing league I think you'd eventually have 90%+ of the top guys involved. It'd take awhile just like it took the UFC. You'd have to join this UFC-like pro boxing league at some point or you are the boxing equivalent of the Jungle Fights champion (which is a lesser MMA league & primarily a feeder org for the UFC for those unaware).

ReggieDiggs wrote:I think if you took the biggest promoters in boxing & made them "owners" of a pro boxing league I think you'd eventually have 90%+ of the top guys involved.

Yes but that would require a degree of cooperation that is ... unlikely.

jujigatame wrote:

ReggieDiggs wrote:I think if you took the biggest promoters in boxing & made them "owners" of a pro boxing league I think you'd eventually have 90%+ of the top guys involved.

Yes but that would require a degree of cooperation that is ... unlikely.

Well no sh!t. We are talking about a unlikely fictional situation to begin with.

I would say the lower boxing gets on the food chain the more likely something like this could happen. I think it'd have to be post-Floyd & Manny at the earliest though. When there is no boxer in the top ten of the Forbes list I think good things could happen.